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Old Skool Punk Thread

Jeremy Jive

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I haven't heard the new album but I did watch the Ramones movie not to long ago.

jeremy -rock n roll high school- jive
 

noahmintz

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I don't understand it ... there's been quite a few projects from ex-Ramones members since they broke up ... and they have all pretty much sucked ass ... if they want to make music so bad they should just get back together and put out a new album!

stu
 
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seeker

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rock and roll high school has to be one of the funniest movies ever! too bad i can't rent it *anywhere* around here. i taped it off muchmoreelevatormusic a while ago, but then it got taped over when my wife taped ER or something. :(

if i had a DVD player, that'd be one of the first movies i bought.
 

416

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The Ramones kinda eat it.

I give em props for laying a little foundation... but how long did Joey think he could play the same songs, look like shit and never cut his gross hair before he died?

Seriously.

They're like the dead milkmen, they never got over "it", but that doesn't me you shouldn't.
 

Hawk Eye

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i never really liked the ramones. I like some of there songs like rokc n roll highschool and sedated, but i'd never go out and buy there album.

I like skate/punk :D
 

choosey

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Strung out, suicide machines, big thumbs up.
Most NOFX and pennywise is pretty lame.
Propagandhi is the shit.
 
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JEMZ

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I liked Ramones, but I understand their place in history more than I actually love them as a band. I thought Joey's version of "What a Wonderful World" was pretty cool though.

If you wanna talk old school/real punk you must discuss The Dead Kennedy's and the might Jelo Biafra... thaose guys did it real, hard, smart, crazy, they broke all the rules and never compromised.

I like Operation Ivy, Ten Foot Pole, (old) Bad Religion, The Descendants, D.O.A, Snuff, The Clash (naturally), and of course if I love punk I've gotta give my respects to Bob Marley and Peter Tosh, without them there would be none.
 

416

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Originally posted by JEMZ
I liked Ramones, but I understand their place in history more than I actually love them as a band. I thought Joey's version of "What a Wonderful World" was pretty cool though.

If you wanna talk old school/real punk you must discuss The Dead Kennedy's and the might Jelo Biafra... thaose guys did it real, hard, smart, crazy, they broke all the rules and never compromised.

I like Operation Ivy, Ten Foot Pole, (old) Bad Religion, The Descendants, D.O.A, Snuff, The Clash (naturally), and of course if I love punk I've gotta give my respects to Bob Marley and Peter Tosh, without them there would be none.
Holy shit. You have almost the exact same task in punk as me.

Excluding The Clash... puke.
 

BigBadBaldy

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The Clash = PUKE?

Now, everyone has the right to like or dislike something, but at least give the Clash the due they are deserving of. While I wouldn't really call them punk (they were so much more) think of all the countless bands they were an inspiration for. Fak, they could barely play when they started, and worked it all into being a genre-smashing band that showed other musicians that they shouldn't feel the need to stay in their own little classification section. You don't like Black Market Clash? You don't think London Calling is one of the ballsiest albums of all time, given where they were coming from? I do. The Clash is one of the BEST rock/punk/whatever bands of all time. WAY more important that the Pistols, when the dust settled (IMO).

Now, the Ramones. Don't judge the Ramones as a punk band. The sound they were really going for was the sound of bubblegum pop circa early late 60's girl bands. I think they were brilliant in their simplicity, and again, for inspiring the whole "they can do it why can't we" mentality. They seeded and opened up opportunities for so many other bands, esp from New York, that it's not even funny. Yeah, they did a lot of lame shit near the end, but Rocket To Russia and RAMONES are CLASSIC albums.

The only punk I still listen to is: Dead Kennedys (fave EVER.. best punk band EVER, again IMO) and Dag Nasty. Dag had a big impact on my life in like '88 or so. Check out Can I Say or Wig Out At Denkos. After that, things slide for the Dag.. and a little Corrosion of Conformity (Animosity), but that's more on a speed metal/crossover tip.

BBB.

Full of piss and vinegar. Well, piss, anyway.
 
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416

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What are you talking about?

What directions did the Clash push punk to? Well.. what directions that went anywhere?

That's right, none.

They're a lightweight punk rock band that tonned it down to get more radio play.

"they can do it why can't we"

Dude, get a grip. You're talking as if they invented to idea of forming a shitty band with 3 friends and no talent. That's been going on for ages.

The Clash and the Ramones did not invent being a shitty band. They where both really really good at being shitty bands, but they did not invent the concept and pave the way for 100s of shitty bands of the future.


Oh, I totally agree that DK is the best punk band ever.
 

Hal-9000

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Don't listen to 416's ideas on punk -- he's one of those lame cats who thinks a punk band has to wear fuckin surfer shorts and be playing in front of a halfpipe full of 16 year-old doing lip tricks to be good.

Nobody mentioned The Stooges?

BOOOOOOOOOO!
 

patio-d

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shit... all this raving has made me all soft. fuck plur. i think i'm gonna go home after work and watch my "Agnostic Front and Gorilla Biscuits live at CBGB's" tape. maybe i won't even wait until work is out. i think i'm gonna quit. fuck work.
 

seeker

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Originally posted by Hal-9000
Don't listen to 416's ideas on punk -- he's one of those lame cats who thinks a punk band has to wear fuckin surfer shorts and be playing in front of a halfpipe full of 16 year-old doing lip tricks to be good.
i agree. everyone has the right to an opinion, but this one's just plain wrong. :) the clash reprented what punk was about -- not 3 chords and an attitude, but energy, speaking out, and just going for it. i think part of the problem is that people have become accustomed to one type of 'punk' sound in the last 10 yrs -- namely the so-cal scene, thanks mainly to rancid, nofx, green day, bad religion et al. people have forgotten that punk was/is more about doing things your own way than it was about any one specific sound.


Nobody mentioned The Stooges?

BOOOOOOOOOO!
you just did! :)
nobody mentioned the MC5 either, or the New York Dolls. or flipper, the velvet underground... oh well, c'est la vie.
 
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416

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I knew you'd pop up in here little fella! Just because you listen to a band that rips the stooges off doesn't mean that you know anything about this shit.... it also doesn't mean that the stooges are the alpha and the omega of punk rock.

My point is that anyone who knows their ass from their elbow knows that the last 20 years of punk have been dominated by what the Descendants, Agent Orange, Minor Threat, DK and Husker Du did.

Chuck Social Distortion in there for good measure I guess... even though they suck. And Mudhoney just cause of that whole grunge thingy that happend (Mudhoney runs things, just in case you don't know).

The stooges... I'll give ya that just cause they knew when to pack it in. They didn't drag there asses around on sorry assed tours playing the same sorry assed songs they wrote in 1821.
 

416

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Originally posted by seeker

i think part of the problem is that people have become accustomed to one type of 'punk' sound in the last 10 yrs -- namely the so-cal scene, thanks mainly to rancid, nofx, green day, bad religion et al. people have forgotten that punk was/is more about doing things your own way than it was about any one specific sound.
booooooooooooooooooo

You dun know what you're talking about. Skaters have been pushing punk for 20 years. I dun care if you like it. We officially coopted that shit back in the early eighties, and there's nothing you can do about it.



Originally posted by seeker

you just did! :)
nobody mentioned the MC5 either, or the New York Dolls. or flipper, the velvet underground... oh well, c'est la vie.
Nobody mentioned Crass either, but that's cause they're a blip, just like the bands you mentioned.

Listen, I'm really sorry if you haven't liked past 20 years of punk. But the exploited, the sex pistols, the clash, the stooges, all that crap is gone and has been for a long time.

ps. The Police are more influential on today's punk then any of that crap you guys are talking about.
 

BigBadBaldy

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Originally posted by 416
What are you talking about?
I dunno, am I typing in arabic?

Originally posted by 416
What directions did the Clash push punk to? Well.. what directions that went anywhere?
The Clash pushed punk rock to look at itself, take its musical legacy farther than it ever would have by breaking their own boundaries of what they and the public thought the music was all about.

Originally posted by 416
They're a lightweight punk rock band that tonned it down to get more radio play.
Bullshit. What radio play did the Clash ever get? A few fucking songs. Oh I'm sorry, you were talking about GreenDay/Rancid/BadReligion etcetcetc insert NuSkool shit cookie cutter punk band here. Dude, these guys have toned their shit down WAY more than the Clash ever did.. besides never really having an original thought or sound. Bad Religion were great back in the day, but now? Please dude, that album that Todd Rungren produced was like fucking Gerber baby food.
Originally posted by 416
"they can do it why can't we"

Dude, get a grip. You're talking as if they invented to idea of forming a shitty band with 3 friends and no talent. That's been going on for ages.
I never said they invented the concept, I said they inspired countless other people to do the same by their influence. Hardly the same thing.

Originally posted by 416
Oh, I totally agree that DK is the best punk band ever.
Well, at least we can agree on something! :p

BBB.

..now if we could only agree on how right I am!
 

416

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Originally posted by BigBadBaldy


I dunno, am I typing in arabic?
yes.


Originally posted by BigBadBaldy

The Clash pushed punk rock to look at itself, take its musical legacy farther than it ever would have by breaking their own boundaries of what they and the public thought the music was all about.
That's just a bunch of fluff. I don't even know what you're talking about. None of that makes any sense... I thought we where talking about punk, you seem to be talking about daily affermations and weirdo hippy shiz.

Originally posted by BigBadBaldy

Bullshit. What radio play did the Clash ever get? A few fucking songs.
That's plenty.


Originally posted by BigBadBaldy

Oh I'm sorry, you were talking about GreenDay/Rancid/BadReligion etcetcetc insert NuSkool shit cookie cutter punk band here. Dude, these guys have toned their shit down WAY more than the Clash ever did.. besides never really having an original thought or sound.
I didn't mention one of those bands. What the crap have you been smoking? Are you seeing things? Are you feeling dizzy? Perhaps you should go lay down.

Also, you just grouped Bad Religion in with Green Day. You need to get yourself sorted.


Originally posted by BigBadBaldy

I never said they invented the concept, I said they inspired countless other people to do the same by their influence. Hardly the same thing.
Whatever, quit splitting hairs. If I wanted to have an overly pedantic discussion, I'd talk to Hal-9000.

The clash figure quite prominently in the circus that surrounded the birth of punk. So what. So did the damned, the ramones and the sex pistols. All that shit didn't go anywhere, it all amounted to contrived fluff. Boooooooooooooooooooo. There was a lot more going on back in the day besides UK dorks running around saying "OI OI OI!", it just wasn't getting any play (luckily).
 
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