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No Cars on King Street in Toronto? Lets have a poll!

Do you want cars on King St. in Toronto?

  • I want streetcars (and bikes) only on King Street

    Votes: 31 73.8%
  • I want cars to stay on King Street.

    Votes: 11 26.2%

  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .

Spinsah

TRIBE Member
And as others have said, the poll is preposterous, it's not about eliminating vehicle traffic entirely, it's about trying out a dedicated one way streetcar lane, during rush hour on weekdays. But while we're on the topic, removing street parking from King and Queen at all times, is something that should be explored.
 

KickIT

TRIBE Member
preposterous. far too many people rely on the east west movement of King street to get anywhere in that city. Take that away and it will simply impose even more gridlock on the surrounding streets which already threaten to burst.

such a proposition could only be made reasonable with commensurate measures to offset that amount of movement. For example, razing the entire 905 area code with fire and brimstone and building an underground tunnel city downtown to house the refugees. The mayor of tunnel city will arise through his unmatched fighting prowess (spear and bjj), unite the underground clans and claim many a victory for the tunnel people.
We're not talking a permanent ban. FROM 7-9AM Monday to Friday. If you're driving on King St at the time, then I dunno, use the better way? I don't feel much pity for someone who drives from Liberty Village to Bay St everyday.
 

glych t.anomaly

TRIBE Member
I don't feel much pity for someone who drives from Liberty Village to Bay St everyday.
these people are cunts.

people need to embrace cycling and transit.

why the FUCK would you suffer through driving to Bay St from Liberty Village daily. why would you want to be stuck at all.

ugh.

its should be a rule that if you live 10km or less from where you work you need to bike most of the year.
 

stryker

TRIBE Member
As a motorist, cyclists and quasi-905er I've experienced all forms of transit in this city and I have thought for years that this was the inevitable solution. Either Queen St or King West should be turned into exclusive transit lanes. Streetcars, cyclists, rollerbladers, etc. From Woodbine to Longbranch.


There are hundreds of streets for cars to take. Driving a block or two north or south really isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.

They should also ban parking on all major roads and arteries and start building more multi-storey parking lots and deliveries should occur in the late evening.

Unless the gov't is will to force eminent domain and start tearing down homes along Ossington to extend the Allen to the Gardiner and expand Kingston into a full fledged highway then we'll need to starve carving out lanes dedicated to cars/trucks and transit/pedestrians.

Stew
 

dig this

TRIBE Member
such a proposition could only be made reasonable with commensurate measures to offset that amount of movement. For example, razing the entire 905 area code with fire and brimstone and building an underground tunnel city downtown to house the refugees. The mayor of tunnel city will arise through his unmatched fighting prowess (spear and bjj), unite the underground clans and claim many a victory for the tunnel people.
Who rules Tunnel Town?



RoFo rules Tunnel Town!
 

Bass-Invader

TRIBE Member
We're not talking a permanent ban. FROM 7-9AM Monday to Friday. If you're driving on King St at the time, then I dunno, use the better way? I don't feel much pity for someone who drives from Liberty Village to Bay St everyday.
how does restricting the ban to the busiest time of the day rectify any of the concerns I raised?

An outright ban is insane. Something less than that, perhaps between 7-9:
a. dedicated streetcar lane; and
b. a marked increase in streetcar service; and
c. no parking on King between the stated hours; and possibly
d. building increased low cost pay parking close to the main inlets

Taken together, that might suffice. Freeing up the lane by banning parking would allow for dedicated transit and driving. Cycling would be safer since there would be little risk of getting doored. Streetcar service could be increased due to the extra capacity.

Liberty village drivers can suffer the spear, but I don't think they constitute a significant proportion of the traffic on King.
 

dig this

TRIBE Member
Can someone explain why changing two-way streets to one-way streets is never brought up as an option? Again, as folks have mentioned, at least as a pilot project. Converting King to a one way would give 1 lane for streetcars, 1 lane for bikes, and 2 dedicated lanes for cars. Then make Queen one-way in the opposite direction.
 

Spinsah

TRIBE Member
An outright ban is insane. Something less than that, perhaps between 7-9:
a. dedicated streetcar lane; and
b. a marked increase in streetcar service; and
c. no parking on King between the stated hours; and possibly
d. building increased low cost pay parking close to the main inlets
The restriction for the pilot is only proposed to occur between 7-9 heading into the core and between 4-6 heading out of the core. There is already no parking allowed King during those hours and the Green P lots, private lots and side streets accommodate those cars just fine.

I think an outright ban is a bit much, outside of those hours, but making Queen pedestrian only between Spadina and Yonge is something that has been kicked around for years.
 

Bass-Invader

TRIBE Member
The restriction for the pilot is only proposed to occur between 7-9 heading into the core and between 4-6 heading out of the core. There is already no parking allowed King during those hours and the Green P lots, private lots and side streets accommodate those cars just fine.

I think an outright ban is a bit much, outside of those hours, but making Queen pedestrian only between Spadina and Yonge is something that has been kicked around for years.
an outright ban even in those hours is too much. a dedicated lane should be sufficient.

do people actually obey the parking ban? last time I was rolling down those streets at that time I remember cars and delivery trucks all over the place to the degree that i thought the ban was only along certain strips of King.
 

Spinsah

TRIBE Member
an outright ban even in those hours is too much. a dedicated lane should be sufficient.

do people actually obey the parking ban? last time I was rolling down those streets at that time I remember cars and delivery trucks all over the place to the degree that i thought the ban was only along certain strips of King.
Deliveries are a problem for sure, but the parking is respected for the most part and towing happens regularly. And what's being proposed is only in one direction. For what it's worth, the left lane is actually a peak-time transit only lane in many places (marked by a painted diamond) - it's been this way for 20 years, but it's not enforced.

And a true ROW would be surely move things along, but there's just not room to room to accommodate one a la St. Clair and Spadina.

The issue on King, especially in the morning, is actually capacity and load times, not congestion. It's the busiest surface route on the TTC carrying nearly double the passengers as the entire Sheppard subway line, but one door loads at many stops and cars blocking passage to them creates lots of bottle necks. And really, just one dedicated lane doesn't do much if the curb lane is blocked by taxi stands, deliveries etc. That's why the restriction, if it will make any impact at all need to take over both lanes into/out of the core during peak times.
 

MoFo

TRIBE Member
fixed

make the cost of driving into the city from out of town for work EXPENSIVE.

take the bus or train, none extra cost.

its all those milky bitches that spend 2-3 hours a day in traffic because they ABSOLUTELY need their vehicle rather than using the available transit options.
Well, that's what I meant. It would bring in so much money to the Ministry of Health and for development. Better maintenance of roads and maybe even subway money.
 

MoFo

TRIBE Member
About the only thing I agree with RoFo - the ONLY thing - is that streetcars are slow as hell and hold up traffic. I wish we had electric buses instead.
Um, no. Traffic is slow and often gets into accidents or makes left turns that block streetcars and car traffic. An accident can easily cause a 10 streetcar lineup. It's mostly a car's fault, not transit.
 

MoFo

TRIBE Member
these people are cunts.

people need to embrace cycling and transit.

why the FUCK would you suffer through driving to Bay St from Liberty Village daily. why would you want to be stuck at all.
I'm with you. Zero empathy or sympathy. It's a luxury. When I drove to work, I felt like shit and deserved all the dirty looks I got from pedestrians and cyclists in Kensington Market (had meetings there).

If you drive, you're way down in the priority list in my books. It's a luxury, not a right.
 

MoFo

TRIBE Member
And as others have said, the poll is preposterous, it's not about eliminating vehicle traffic entirely, it's about trying out a dedicated one way streetcar lane, during rush hour on weekdays. But while we're on the topic, removing street parking from King and Queen at all times, is something that should be explored.
Why are 30 idle cabs allowed to just park on King?
That downtowner bus is a saviour. Even having to walk after it turns is better than sitting in traffic waiting for some fucking shithead in an SUV make a left turn on King.
 

Bacchus

TRIBE Promoter
Can someone explain why changing two-way streets to one-way streets is never brought up as an option? Again, as folks have mentioned, at least as a pilot project. Converting King to a one way would give 1 lane for streetcars, 1 lane for bikes, and 2 dedicated lanes for cars. Then make Queen one-way in the opposite direction.
Word, like jarvis does.
 

alexd

Administrator
Staff member
The situation is already preposterous, as spinsah notes

very glad I moved away from King Street, was a bit of a transit black hole
Even getting back to the East End from Industry at 5am on Sunday (back in the day) could often take over an hour or more for a streetcar to pass by.
 

Littlest Hobo

TRIBE Member
This city is so fucked in terms of transit/traffic/congestion and all you naysayers who seem to want to shoot down a project before it even has a chance to run a pilot are part of the problem.
I agree. Things are getting worse at such an high rate certain parts of the city are not maneuverable at certain times. Toronto will become a failed city. And if you drive from Liberty Village to Bay you deserve a cockpunch.
 

djfear

TRIBE Member
Um, no. Traffic is slow and often gets into accidents or makes left turns that block streetcars and car traffic. An accident can easily cause a 10 streetcar lineup. It's mostly a car's fault, not transit.
Yes! I agree with you, mostly cars get into accidents and are turning left, but if it was a bus it would just go around and not bat an eyelash, whereas a street car is stuck there.
 

dig this

TRIBE Member
these people are cunts.

people need to embrace cycling and transit.

why the FUCK would you suffer through driving to Bay St from Liberty Village daily. why would you want to be stuck at all.

ugh.

its should be a rule that if you live 10km or less from where you work you need to bike most of the year.
I'm with you. Zero empathy or sympathy. It's a luxury. When I drove to work, I felt like shit and deserved all the dirty looks I got from pedestrians and cyclists in Kensington Market (had meetings there).

If you drive, you're way down in the priority list in my books. It's a luxury, not a right.
I find this a wee bit of an ignorant way to look at this issue... There are a million reasons why people are driving, and they have every right to be. Public transportation and biking are not for everyone, especially given the state of the infrastructure in this city.

For anything to work in this city, people from all sides have to meet in the middle. People have to accept that there will always be a shit-ton of cars in the city. You can help reduce those numbers by creating better public transit systems and increase the number of bike lanes, but there has to be a serious effort to allow cars into the downtown efficiently and quickly. The more people think the 'other side' are a bunch of cunts and give each other dirty looks, then we'll continue to be polarized and incapable of make any positive changes.
 
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