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Most Pharmaceutical Drugs Don't Work!!!!!!

man_slut

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Glaxo chief: Our drugs do not work on most patients
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
08 December 2003
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=471139


A senior executive with Britain's biggest drugs company has admitted that most prescription medicines do not work on most people who take them.

Allen Roses, worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), said fewer than half of the patients prescribed some of the most expensive drugs actually derived any benefit from them.

It is an open secret within the drugs industry that most of its products are ineffective in most patients but this is the first time that such a senior drugs boss has gone public. His comments come days after it emerged that the NHS drugs bill has soared by nearly 50 per cent in three years, rising by £2.3bn a year to an annual cost to the taxpayer of £7.2bn. GSK announced last week that it had 20 or more new drugs under development that could each earn the company up to $1bn (£600m) a year.

Dr Roses, an academic geneticist from Duke University in North Carolina, spoke at a recent scientific meeting in London where he cited figures on how well different classes of drugs work in real patients.

Drugs for Alzheimer's disease work in fewer than one in three patients, whereas those for cancer are only effective in a quarter of patients. Drugs for migraines, for osteoporosis, and arthritis work in about half the patients, Dr Roses said. Most drugs work in fewer than one in two patients mainly because the recipients carry genes that interfere in some way with the medicine, he said.

"The vast majority of drugs - more than 90 per cent - only work in 30 or 50 per cent of the people," Dr Roses said. "I wouldn't say that most drugs don't work. I would say that most drugs work in 30 to 50 per cent of people. Drugs out there on the market work, but they don't work in everybody."

Some industry analysts said Dr Roses's comments were reminiscent of the 1991 gaffe by Gerald Ratner, the jewellery boss, who famously said that his high street shops are successful because they sold "total crap". But others believe Dr Roses deserves credit for being honest about a little-publicised fact known to the drugs industry for many years.

"Roses is a smart guy and what he is saying will surprise the public but not his colleagues," said one industry scientist. "He is a pioneer of a new culture within the drugs business based on using genes to test for who can benefit from a particular drug."

Dr Roses has a formidable reputation in the field of "pharmacogenomics" - the application of human genetics to drug development - and his comments can be seen as an attempt to make the industry realise that its future rests on being able to target drugs to a smaller number of patients with specific genes.

The idea is to identify "responders" - people who benefit from the drug - with a simple and cheap genetic test that can be used to eliminate those non-responders who might benefit from another drug.

This goes against a marketing culture within the industry that has relied on selling as many drugs as possible to the widest number of patients - a culture that has made GSK one of the most profitable pharmaceuticals companies, but which has also meant that most of its drugs are at best useless, and even possibly dangerous, for many patients.

Dr Roses said doctors treating patients routinely applied the trial-and-error approach which says that if one drug does not work there is always another one. "I think everybody has it in their experience that multiple drugs have been used for their headache or multiple drugs have been used for their backache or whatever.

"It's in their experience, but they don't quite understand why. The reason why is because they have different susceptibilities to the effect of that drug and that's genetic," he said.

"Neither those who pay for medical care nor patients want drugs to be prescribed that do not benefit the recipient. Pharmacogenetics has the promise of removing much of the uncertainty."

Response rates

Therapeutic area: drug efficacy rate in per cent

Alzheimer's: 30
Analgesics (Cox-2): 80
Asthma: 60
Cardiac Arrythmias: 60
Depression (SSRI): 62
Diabetes: 57
Hepatits C (HCV): 47
Incontinence: 40
Migraine (acute): 52
Migraine (prophylaxis)50
Oncology: 25
Rheumatoid arthritis50
Schizophrenia: 60
 

Ditto Much

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Actually this sounds about right! In many cases I wonder how people determine if a drug is working on them. Its easy when you see something that is a lump disappear or a rash go away, but you never know if it was the taking of the drug or if it would have cleared up anyway.

In blind testing using pot that had thc and pot that didn;t have thc nearly equal test results were found between the two groups. It was impossible to determine if people actually got high because of the drug or not.
 

The Tesseract

TRIBE Member
That's why they call them doctors.
they doctor your prescriptions till they find something that works.

hehe



It's not that they don't work... they don't always work well
that's the key.

Drug A might work great for Patients A, B and C, but not for Patients D,E,F and G.
So... Drug B must be developed.
 

sugar

TRIBE Member
This doesn't sound too odd to me.

Obviously we know that cancer drugs don't work on the entire population, otherwise there wouldn't be so many people dying of cancer.
 
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PosTMOd

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The drugs do something-- it almost doesn't matter what, as long as there is a trigger for the mind to take over, and then the immune system, which has a really sort of "dumb" intelligence... trigger it properly, and the drug seems to work...

The mind is quite amazing, since you can come right out and TELL IT you are tricking it, and it still gets tricked... very much like my 4-year old nephew-- show him how a trick is done, he still believes it is magic...
 

Ditto Much

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by depraved
What about impotence?
The little blue pill must work or ppl wouldn't buy
what like they are going to ask for a refund after even the pill can't get them up. Thats like returning condomns because they are to big for you.



"I'll have the extra long extra strong to protect my dong trojans please"

I think this is why hot chicks aren't allowed to sell condomns its not like any guy is going to ask for the wimpy short ones.
 
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