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More Tory Prov Gov't Shennanigans

Ministry of Enterprise

8 complaints against adult video stores = 1600 inspections
4000 complaints against debt collectors = 10 inspections

Good to see the pressing issues were taken care of.
 

Ditto Much

TRIBE Member
Now what would you rather inspect!! I assume that health inspectors spend more time inside strip clubs than restaurants in the city. I'm assuming that the rub and tugs have the elctricity inspected more often than the TTC
 

Vote Quimby

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by man_slut
Where did you find that?????? Fucking ridiculous! :mad: Tories… :rolleyes:
Yes, it was the Tory minister at the top who ordered all those inspections.

Had nothing to do with the career civil servant who actually makes those decisions.

Got it.
 

janiecakes

TRIBE Member
Civil servants are given direction from the government. They don't make decisions in a vacuum.

Although provincial and municipal civil servants are the ones who make decisions on how to implement provincial legislation and policy in social services, I can guarantee that my job is going to change when the liberals get around to taking a look at the Ontario Works Act.

There is a culture created in the public workplace by whatever government is in power.

The provincial government is responsible for any decision made by a provincial civil servant while they're in power. If that weren't the case, there'd be no accountability for the decisions made by the lackeys, and there has to be.
 

Vote Quimby

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The reality is that it wouldn't matter what party was in charge, day to day decisions are made by some pencil pushing career civil servant, who serves no one but himself.

And as for complaints about debt collectors, pick a better stat for comparison purposes. People complain that they get called, not the nature of the call, but that they are receiving one. Even though they owe money. As long as people owe money, there will always be a huge number of complaints against collectors. The majority of them completely baseless.
 

janiecakes

TRIBE Member
Apparently there is a new method of arguing called 'Read what someone says in response to what you said, and then repeat what you initially said, with maybe a few more words thrown in'.

I hear it's quite effective.
 

416

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Vote Quimby
The reality is that it wouldn't matter what party was in charge, day to day decisions are made by some pencil pushing career civil servant, who serves no one but himself.
Hey, I think Jane is trying to tell you what "the reality is". Why don't you take time out of your busy rhetoric spewing and Toronto Sun reading schedule to clue yourself in?
 

Vote Quimby

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by janiecakes
Apparently there is a new method of arguing called 'Read what someone says in response to what you said, and then repeat what you initially said, with maybe a few more words thrown in'.

I hear it's quite effective.
Yes and when a post is written before or during the time the other person posts has nothing to do with it.

I understand how with a change in govt that there would be a change in the direction of policy down through the ministry.

But in this case, do you actually think who inspects what rates high enough on a minister's priorities to even look at it?

If a VP of a department in a private company had to look at every single thing occuring in his realm, he or she would never get any work done.
 

Vote Quimby

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by 416
Hey, I think Jane is trying to tell you what "the reality is". Why don't you take time out of your busy rhetoric spewing and Toronto Sun reading schedule to clue yourself in?
maybe you should take your head out of your ass for once.
 

AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by janiecakes
There is a culture created in the public workplace by whatever government is in power
The bottom line is that a Minister cannot look after every practice of every division within their ministry. In many cases, problems go unnoticed because they occur in areas that are not considered a high priority and nobody has bothered to report on the problem to the Minister. Fortunately, we have a Provincial Auditor to make sure it comes to light eventually. But I don't think you can blame any specific government or ideological motivation for this sort of thing.

Like I said, a Minister still needs to rely on civil servants to feed them information and to alert them of important issues. All you need is someone near the top who tells the Minister, "our inspections are going well ... we carried out over 1,600 this past year" without mentioning that 90% were in video stores, and the problem continues.
 

416

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by AdRiaN
The bottom line is that a Minister cannot look after every practice of every division within their ministry. In many cases, problems go unnoticed because they occur in areas that are not considered a high priority and nobody has bothered to report on the problem to the Minister. Fortunately, we have a Provincial Auditor to make sure it comes to light eventually. But I don't think you can blame any specific government or ideological motivation for this sort of thing.

Like I said, a Minister still needs to rely on civil servants to feed them information and to alert them of important issues. All you need is someone near the top who tells the Minister, "our inspections are going well ... we carried out over 1,600 this past year" without mentioning that 90% were in video stores, and the problem continues.
That's a really good point Adrian. I think I'll use that argument next time some of my code blows up.

"Well, I thought everything was going to work fine, the ATM developers told me that their tests came up clean"

Then my boss can say the same sort of thing to his boss...

"Jer said everything was cool, so it's not my fault"

snicker snicker

This little stat clearly indicates that the former minister of enterprise was (as you basically pointed out) not interested in this part of his job. Whether you think it's significant or not, it was his responsability. No amount of buck passing can undo that.
 
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