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Moore Promises To Back Dem Nominee against Bush

man_slut

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I’ll Be Voting For Wesley Clark / Good-Bye Mr. Bush — by Michael Moore
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php

Many of you have written to me in the past months asking, "Who are you going to vote for this year?"

I have decided to cast my vote in the primary for Wesley Clark. That's right, a peacenik is voting for a general. What a country!

I believe that Wesley Clark will end this war. He will make the rich pay their fair share of taxes. He will stand up for the rights of women, African Americans, and the working people of this country.

And he will cream George W. Bush.

I have met Clark and spoken to him on a number of occasions, feeling him out on the issues but, more importantly, getting a sense of him as a human being. And I have to tell you I have found him to be the real deal, someone whom I'm convinced all of you would like, both as a person and as the individual leading this country. He is an honest, decent, honorable man who would be a breath of fresh air in the White House. He is clearly not a professional politician. He is clearly not from Park Avenue. And he is clearly the absolute best hope we have of defeating George W. Bush.

This is not to say the other candidates won't be able to beat Bush, and I will work enthusiastically for any of the non-Lieberman 8 who might get the nomination. But I must tell you, after completing my recent 43-city tour of this country, I came to the conclusion that Clark has the best chance of beating Bush. He is going to inspire the independents and the undecided to come our way. The hard core (like us) already have their minds made up. It's the fence sitters who will decide this election.

The decision in November is going to come down to 15 states and just a few percentage points. So, I had to ask myself -- and I want you to honestly ask yourselves -- who has the BEST chance of winning Florida, West Virginia, Arizona, Nevada, Missouri, Ohio? Because THAT is the only thing that is going to matter in the end. You know the answer -- and it ain't you or me or our good internet doctor.

This is not about voting for who is more anti-war or who was anti-war first or who the media has already anointed. It is about backing a candidate that shares our values AND can communicate them to Middle America. I am convinced that the surest slam dunk to remove Bush is with a four-star-general-top-of-his-class-at-West-Point-Rhodes-Scholar-Medal-of-Freedom-winning-gun-owner-from-the-South -- who also, by chance, happens to be pro-choice, pro environment, and anti-war. You don't get handed a gift like this very often. I hope the liberal/left is wise enough to accept it. It's hard, when you're so used to losing, to think that this time you can actually win. It is Clark who stands the best chance -- maybe the only chance -- to win those Southern and Midwestern states that we MUST win in order to accomplish Bush Removal. And if what I have just said is true, then we have no choice but to get behind the one who can make this happen.

There are times to vote to make a statement, there are times to vote for the underdog and there are times to vote to save the country from catastrophe. This time we can and must do all three. I still believe that each one of us must vote his or her heart and conscience. If we fail to do that, we will continue to be stuck with spineless politicians who stand for nothing and no one (except those who write them the biggest checks).

My vote for Clark is one of conscience. I feel so strongly about this that I'm going to devote the next few weeks of my life to do everything I can to help Wesley Clark win. I would love it if you would join me on this mission.

Here are just a few of the reasons why I feel this way about Wes Clark:

1. Clark has committed to ensuring that every family of four who makes under $50,000 a year pays NO federal income tax. None. Zip. This is the most incredible helping hand offered by a major party presidential candidate to the working class and the working poor in my lifetime. He will make up the difference by socking it to the rich with a 5% tax increase on anything they make over a million bucks. He will make sure corporations pay ALL of the taxes they should be paying. Clark has fired a broadside at greed. When the New York Times last week wrote that Wes Clark has been “positioning himself slightly to Dean’s left," this is what they meant, and it sure sounded good to me.

2. He is 100% opposed to the draft. If you are 18-25 years old and reading this right now, I have news for you -- if Bush wins, he's going to bring back the draft. He will be forced to. Because, thanks to his crazy war, recruitment is going to be at an all-time low. And many of the troops stuck over there are NOT going to re-enlist. The only way Bush is going to be able to staff the military is to draft you and your friends. Parents, make no mistake about it -- Bush's second term will see your sons taken from you and sent to fight wars for the oily rich. Only an ex-general who knows first-hand that a draft is a sure-fire way to wreck an army will be able to avert the inevitable.

3. He is anti-war. Have you heard his latest attacks on Bush over the Iraq War? They are stunning and brilliant. I want to see him on that stage in a debate with Bush -- the General vs. the Deserter! General Clark told me that it's people like him who are truly anti-war because it's people like him who have to die if there is a war. "War must be the absolute last resort," he told me. "Once you've seen young people die, you never want to see that again, and you want to avoid it whenever and wherever possible." I believe him. And my ex-Army relatives believe him, too. It's their votes we need.

4. He walks the walk. On issues like racism, he just doesn't mouth liberal platitudes -- he does something about it. On his own volition, he joined in and filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court in support of the University of Michigan's case in favor of affirmative action. He spoke about his own insistence on affirmative action in the Army and how giving a hand to those who have traditionally been shut out has made our society a better place. He didn't have to get involved in that struggle. He's a middle-aged white guy -- affirmative action personally does him no good. But that is not the way he thinks. He grew up in Little Rock, one of the birthplaces of the civil rights movement, and he knows that African Americans still occupy the lowest rungs of the ladder in a country where everyone is supposed to have "a chance." That is why he has been endorsed by one of the founding members of the Congressional Black Caucus, Charlie Rangel, and former Atlanta Mayor and aide to Martin Luther King, Jr., Andrew Young.

5. On the issue of gun control, this hunter and gun owner will close the gun show loophole (which would have helped prevent the massacre at Columbine) and he will sign into law a bill to create a federal ballistics fingerprinting database for every gun in America (the DC sniper, who bought his rifle in his own name, would have been identified after the FIRST day of his killing spree). He is not afraid, as many Democrats are, of the NRA. His message to them: "You like to fire assault weapons? I have a place for you. It's not in the homes and streets of America. It's called the Army, and you can join any time!"

6. He will gut and overhaul the Patriot Act and restore our constitutional rights to privacy and free speech. He will demand stronger environmental laws. He will insist that trade agreements do not cost Americans their jobs and do not exploit the workers or environment of third world countries. He will expand the Family Leave Act. He will guarantee universal pre-school throughout America. He opposes all discrimination against gays and lesbians (and he opposes the constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage). All of this is why Time magazine this week referred to Clark as "Dean 2.0" -- an improvement over the original (1.0, Dean himself), a better version of a good thing: stronger, faster, and easier for the mainstream to understand and use.

7. He will cut the Pentagon budget, use the money thus saved for education and health care, and he will STILL make us safer than we are now. Only the former commander of NATO could get away with such a statement. Dean says he will not cut a dime out of the Pentagon. Clark knows where the waste and the boondoggles are and he knows that nutty ideas like Star Wars must be put to pasture. His health plan will cover at least 30 million people who now have no coverage at all, including 13 million children. He's a general who will tell those swing voters, "We can take this Pentagon waste and put it to good use to fix that school in your neighborhood." My friends, those words, coming from the mouth of General Clark, are going to turn this country around.

Now, before those of you who are Dean or Kucinich supporters start cloggin' my box with emails tearing Clark down with some of the stuff I've seen floating around the web ("Mike! He voted for Reagan! He bombed Kosovo!"), let me respond by pointing out that Dennis Kucinich refused to vote against the war resolution in Congress on March 21 (two days after the war started) which stated "unequivocal support" for Bush and the war (only 11 Democrats voted against this--Dennis abstained). Or, need I quote Dr. Dean who, the month after Bush "won" the election, said he wasn't too worried about Bush because Bush "in his soul, is a moderate"? What's the point of this ridiculous tit-for-tat sniping? I applaud Dennis for all his other stands against the war, and I am certain Howard no longer believes we have nothing to fear about Bush. They are good people.

Why expend energy on the past when we have such grave danger facing us in the present and in the near future? I don't feel bad nor do I care that Clark -- or anyone -- voted for Reagan over 20 years ago. Let's face it, the vast majority of Americans voted for Reagan -- and I want every single one of them to be WELCOMED into our tent this year. The message to these voters -- and many of them are from the working class -- should not be, "You voted for Reagan? Well, to hell with you!" Every time you attack Clark for that, that is the message you are sending to all the people who at one time liked Reagan. If they have now changed their minds (just as Kucinich has done by going from anti-choice to pro-choice, and Dean has done by wanting to cut Medicare to now not wanting to cut it) – and if Clark has become a liberal Democrat, is that not something to cheer?

In fact, having made that political journey and metamorphosis, is he not the best candidate to bring millions of other former Reagan supporters to our side -- blue collar people who have now learned the hard way just how bad Reagan and the Republicans were (and are) for them?

We need to take that big DO NOT ENTER sign off our tent and reach out to the vast majority who have been snookered by these right-wingers. And we have a better chance of winning in November with one of their own leading them to the promised land.

There is much more to discuss and, in the days and weeks ahead, I will continue to send you my thoughts. In the coming months, I will also be initiating a number of efforts on my website to make sure we get out the vote for the Democratic nominee in November.

In addition to voting for Wesley Clark, I will also be spending part of my Bush tax cut to help him out. You can join me, if you like, by going to his website to learn more about him, to volunteer, or to donate. To find out about when your state’s presidential primaries are, visit Vote Smart.

I strongly urge you to vote for Wes Clark. Let's join together to ensure that we are putting forth our BEST chance to defeat Bush on the November ballot. It is, at this point, for the sake of the world, a moral imperative.

Yours,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
mmflint@aol.com

P.S. To register to vote visit www.yourvotematters.org.
 

Subsonic Chronic

TRIBE Member
What a hypocrite!

In all his books, Moore goes on about how the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans, and now he's publicly endorsing the Democrat candidate? Although any Dem probably would be better than another 4 years of Bush, the fact is that the Dem's are just as bad as the Republicans, only they're sneakier about it and don't flaunt it when they're waging secret wars, giving tax breaks to the rich and tearing up the environment.
 

AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
Clark has committed to ensuring that every family of four who makes under $50,000 a year pays NO federal income tax. None. Zip. This is the most incredible helping hand offered by a major party presidential candidate to the working class and the working poor in my lifetime. He will make up the difference by socking it to the rich with a 5% tax increase on anything they make over a million bucks.
Why is Moore fawning over this proposal as though it's something groundbreaking?

It's basically the same as the "flat tax" proposals that have been put forth by Republicans for decades, except Clark wants to raise the income tax rate for high income earners whereas the flat tax removes most deductions.

Steve Forbes' election platform included a flat tax with personal deductions of $13,000 per taxpayer and an additional $5,000 per dependent child. A family of four could earn $36,000 without paying any federal income tax. All other deductions would be eliminated except for mortgage interest and charitable donations.

The Clark proposal says nothing about removing deductions ... so although the "rich" are paying an extra 5% they can still take advantage of all the same tax-avoidance measures as before. And don't forget that the "rich" can afford to hire very clever accountants too.

I'm sure that Moore would blast flat taxe proponents as being evil kitten eaters, even though it still offers the same relief to the working class. Moore gets a big :rolleyes: on this one.
 

KickIT

TRIBE Member
Moore does make a good point in that Clarke probably does have a much better chance at beating Bush than Dean. Dean just seems too open to attack, even though Dean will fight back, I don't know if its enough to pursuade voters in swing states.

Adrian out of curiousity, if you were American, would you vote for Bush?

*c*
 
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man_slut

TRIBE Member
Well if I had to vote for the worst of three evils I think it would be Kodos.

But in all seriousness whos is the least worst:

Dean
Clark
or
Bush?

I say Clark
 

OTIS

TRIBE Member
Who gives a fuck about titles.. if Clarke is who Moore says he is, he'd be stupid not to back him just because he took on a marketable title. I thought Gore was the biggest weenie the democrats could ever back, but in the last year he's really come out of his shell and actually surprised & impressed me, too bad he had to drop his run to do so.. but still.

Democrat, republican whatever.. there is a whole slew of people within those categories that range from libertarian left to fascist right.. Dennis Kucinich is a democrat presidential candidate and could probably run Michael Moore into the ground with his flavor of liberalism. What I don't want to see is the more left of the democrats split their vote and nominate an idiot like Gephardt, or even Kerry -guys that obviously mold their policy to whatever's popular in the polls.. people need to feel like the person who's gonna face Bush will not pull a Gore in debates and end up agreeing, end up cowering under the accusation of being *gasp* a liberal, and end up using only media friendly soundbites to describe their policy. People need someone to rally around, and that person must be someone who's policy is reflective of their conscience. People aren’t dumb, and will stay apathetic if they feel their only choice to oust Bush is by backing someone who embarrasses them & their vote.
 

Hal-9000

TRIBE Member
Regardles of the candidate, the Dems need to grow some balls and teeth. They need some play-dirty foot soldiers to counter slime like Karl Rove and his ilk.
 

kodos

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by man_slut
Well if I had to vote for the worst of three evils I think it would be Kodos.

Damn straight!! :D

Anyways..

It seems like the message here is a very simple one made elaborate: Clark has the best chance to actually beat the evil overlord, so here are a bunch of potentially made-up reasons you can use to convince others to vote for the guy because the obvious problem with the democrats is they can't seem to get their shit together.

I dislike strategic voting on principle, but in a country without proportional representation and with such a jackass in power (who would certainly be twice the jackass he is now if he were to be re-elected) I would reluctantly agree with Moore's baloney...
 

AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by KickIT
Adrian out of curiousity, if you were American, would you vote for Bush?
It's a tough call. On one hand, I wish Bush would devote more attention to domestic issues. On the other hand, I don't think I would want any of the Democratic candidates to handle those domestic issues.
 
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OTIS

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by AdRiaN
It's a tough call. On one hand, I wish Bush would devote more attention to domestic issues. On the other hand, I don't think I would want any of the Democratic candidates to handle those domestic issues.

You've got to be fucking kidding me right?
 

OTIS

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by AdRiaN
Why do you think I would vote for a Democrat in the United States?

Cuz maybe, you may have the actual ability to see what long term harm this administration is causing on all levels and that's enough to vote strategically, but I assume you base your decisions mostly on economic issues as that is usually your main issue.. well if that's the case the last Democrat was at least partially responsible for the largest economic growth the US ever saw, created jobs, and left the country in an excellent economic position with a federal surplus. In 4 years, the so-called conservative Bush threw the country into a tailspin deficit, killed 3.5 million jobs, destroyed relationships with other economic powerhouse countries like Germany, and France, made the US one of the most hated countries on earth with shaky economic prospects, and places ideology & theology before pragmatism. That's not even touching his domestic social policies of which I don't need to explain here. Hmm why would you vote for a democrat?
 

Ditto Much

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Subsonic Chronic
What a hypocrite!

In all his books, Moore goes on about how the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans, and now he's publicly endorsing the Democrat candidate? Although any Dem probably would be better than another 4 years of Bush, the fact is that the Dem's are just as bad as the Republicans, only they're sneakier about it and don't flaunt it when they're waging secret wars, giving tax breaks to the rich and tearing up the environment.


He does, but he is arguing that a third party candidate is only good hurt the chances of getting Bush out. Not only is anyone better than Bush, Clark is probably a good choice. But regardless ANYONE is better than Bush.
 
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-Mercury-

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by AdRiaN
Why do you think I would vote for a Democrat in the United States?


ummm, cuz it's one of them vs. bush............... which would you trust to run the world's only superpower???

if it takes you more than a split second to answer that, then there's no hope for you. :p
 

AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
A few of my major problems with a Democratic president:

1. Ratification of Kyoto
2. No support for nuclear energy
3. Little to no support for a Free Trade Area of the Americas
4. Income tax increases

I think you guys know where I stand on these issues.
 

Boss Hog

TRIBE Member
I think you still don't quite get the bigger picture if you're worried about those things at this point.

free trade of the americas. hahahaha.
 

OTIS

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by AdRiaN
A few of my major problems with a Democratic president:

1. Ratification of Kyoto
2. No support for nuclear energy
3. Little to no support for a Free Trade Area of the Americas
4. Income tax increases

I think you guys know where I stand on these issues.

Vaguely.. even if you choose to ignore the larger problems of Bush, you haven't proved to us how a democrat in office would most likely ensure your 4 points. I think you're assuming.

Clinton was definitely for increasing "free" trade pacts, especially with the Latin Americas. And please, from now on use the term 'multi-lateral trade agreements'. "Free trade" is too high sounding to accurately describe what they actually are.

Clinton indeed increased corporate tax rates, but only by somewhere around 4-6% a small concession considering the huge economic growth experienced during the 90's and also a small concession considering the double digit drop in tax rates that Reagan & Bush gave them, rolling levels almost back to pre-new deal levels -which partially contibuted to a recession.

Have all democratic nominees stated support for Kyoto and lack of support for nuclear energy? If so I haven't heard that.
 

KickIT

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by AdRiaN

3. Little to no support for a Free Trade Area of the Americas

I think you guys know where I stand on these issues.

I don't think you'll see a pact on Free Trade until the US endorses some of the other social pacts that Latin America wants. Most of Latin America has left wing governments who want commitments to the Inter-American Democratic Charter. Instead the Bush Administration has done nothing but try and strong arm Latin leaders into putting aside their own wishes to support US policies.

Bush's support of the military coup in Venezuela did not help the US cause in the region. Even Bush's former buddy Vincente Fox is pissed with George. Until the US bargains in good faith and addresses the other social needs of Latin America, you won't see a Free Trade Pact.

*c*
 
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~atp~

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by AdRiaN
A few of my major problems with a Democratic president:

1. Ratification of Kyoto
2. No support for nuclear energy
3. Little to no support for a Free Trade Area of the Americas
4. Income tax increases

I think you guys know where I stand on these issues.

Yah we know you baby-killer. :)
 

Maui

TRIBE Member
WOW!

Michael I have tried to defend you against the attackers for quite awhile but his is mind boggling! I'm at a loss for words.


Maui
 

416

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by OTIS

Have all democratic nominees stated support for Kyoto and lack of support for nuclear energy? If so I haven't heard that.

Dean is actually somewhat on board with Adrian on Kyoto. He wants to implement kyoto, but not before the exemptions to certain countries are taken out... I think.

Also, his "free trade" stand is interesting. He's proposing free trade with countries that have similar standards of living, labour laws... etc....

Which I think is really slick.
 
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