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Military Coup in Turkey

praktik

TRIBE Member
Just what the region needed. More kineticism.

Big ripples from this will hit Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan - nascent Kurdistan.
 
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alexd

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Staff member
The White House has just released a statement on the reports of an attempted coup, saying that Barack Obama and secretary of state John Kerry “agreed that all parties in Turkey should support the democratically-elected Government of Turkey, show restraint, and avoid any violence or bloodshed”.

The state department will “continue to focus on the safety and security of US citizens in Turkey,” the statement added.
 

wickedken

TRIBE Member
Interesting the "international comments" haven't made any support for Erdogan but merely asked for "restraint".
 
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ndrwrld

TRIBE Member
90+ dead.
1000 wounded.
1200 military personel detained.

okay Praktik, WTF was this ?

edit ... some are likening this to what would happen if enough people in the US simply said they have had enough of the current regime, and pushed back hard.
 

praktik

TRIBE Member
90+ dead.
1000 wounded.
1200 military personel detained.

okay Praktik, WTF was this ?

edit ... some are likening this to what would happen if enough people in the US simply said they have had enough of the current regime, and pushed back hard.
Military sees themselves as the True Stewards of Turkey, and Erdogan has been going off the rails.

And yes, plenty of fantasists in the US like to imagine the day armed insurrection is necessary against Tyranny in Washington.

Note these fantasies are about "the people", armed with small arms, taking on a professional high-tech army, air force, space program and Navy and winning.

The better parallel would be a military coup 3 years into the Trump presidency after he's been dividing the country and acting like a cowboy internationally - there's been rioting in the streets a few years and Trump's brinksmanship brings America serious challenges from potential war or lost strategic advantage somewhere in the world.. The "strong hand" of the military could then be used to remove the leader and "restore order" abroad and at home.
 

praktik

TRIBE Member
I wish they were successful. Erdogan is a bad dude.
Careful what you wish for. Maybe they win and then push Erdogan out and become repressive against any threats to their power.

They target Erdogan's islamic supporters and islamic extremists especially harshly - arresting political prisoners and using all kinds of dirty tricks and torture.

The west tolerates the anti-democratic nature of this because it appears they are targeting the right people and the new dictatorship takes the mantle of "fighting terror" as much as it can to stay in the good graces of Europe and America and to justify their continued repression and denial of elections - after all, we tried elections - and look what it got us with erdogan. Some horse trading happens with the Kurds - which would be a point of contention between the dictatorship and everyone else - and this would have unknown impact on Kurdistan and the kurdish ability to focus on ISIS.

Fast forward 2 decades - what are the dictatorship's leaders like a little while down the road?

How has their harsh repression of Islamists managed to avoid what happened to Assad, Hussein, Qaddafi and other places where harsh repression was used to keep the Islamists at bay?

Have we just created another long term destabilizing crucible from which we will see ever more virulent expressions of Islamist rage in a Day of Reckoning?

Democracy is messy and Erdogan is a cunt.

Its still preferable to the alternatives in the long run. What long term price will we pay for short term gains after a military coup?

What will Turkish citizens think about exchanging a democratically elected cunt for an array of authoritarian military leaders?
 
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wickedken

TRIBE Member
Post on my FB from a buddy living in Turkey says its "commonly held" that Erdogan is behind this as a way to prop up the actions he has/will take. The blowback has been pretty quick but who knows.
 

wickedken

TRIBE Member
Aaand this lucky guy gets to fly through Turkey as a stopover next week. Weee!
It's crazy, the cheapest place to eat in that airport is the Burger King, and even then it's like twice as much as on the street. The beer however is not too outlandish.
 

Lojack

TRIBE Member
What will Turkish citizens think about exchanging a democratically elected cunt for an array of authoritarian military leaders?
The Turks I know generally hold their fellow citizens in contempt, with more than a few commenting that they are sheep who have a need to believe what the government and government-controlled media say. Perhaps a bit harsh but it does seem to be playing out that way. Plus they aren't the only democratic country that has danced with the idea of a strongman in power, recently.

ETA: Erdogan may have been elected but he has been clearly shifting power for the last ten years to be much more authoritarian and Islamist. So while he may have been democratically elected, remember there are plenty of such leaders that went on to consolidate and hold onto power well beyond anything of their initial mandate.
 
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praktik

TRIBE Member
Still, imagine it wasn't a fake, would Erdogan be acting any different now?

I await a whistleblower, intercepted communication - something above inference, to prove it was planned by Erdogan to enable the actions he's taking now.

Main issue is that he should be doing pretty much what he is doing now regardless of whether he planned it or not.
 
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