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Massacre in Jenin

Subsonic Chronic

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Amid the ruins of Jenin, the grisly evidence of a war crime

From Phil Reeves in Jenin
16 April 2002

A monstrous war crime that Israel has tried to cover up for a fortnight has finally been exposed. Its troops have caused devastation in the centre of the Jenin refugee camp, reached yesterday by The Independent, where thousands of people are still living amid the ruins.

A residential area roughly 160,000 square yards about a third of a mile wide has been reduced to dust. Rubble has been shovelled by bulldozers into 30ft piles. The sweet and ghastly reek of rotting human bodies is everywhere, evidence that it is a human tomb. The people, who spent days hiding in basements crowded into single rooms as the rockets pounded in, say there are hundreds of corpses, entombed beneath the dust, under a field of debris, criss-crossed with tank and bulldozer treadmarks.

In one nearby half-wrecked building, gutted by fire, lies the fly-blown corpse of a man covered by a tartan rug. In another we found the remains of 23-year-old Ashraf Abu Hejar beneath the ruins of a fire-blackened room that collapsed on him after being hit by a rocket. His head is shrunken and blackened. In a third, five long-dead men lay under blankets.

A quiet. sad-looking young man called Kamal Anis led us across the wasteland, littered now with detritus of what were once households, foam rubber, torn clothes, shoes, tin cans, children's toys. He suddenly stopped. This was a mass grave, he said, pointing.

We stared at a mound of debris. Here, he said, he saw the Israeli soldiers pile 30 bodies beneath a half-wrecked house. When the pile was complete, they bulldozed the building, bringing its ruins down on the corpses. Then they flattened the area with a tank. We could not see the bodies. But we could smell them.

A few days ago, we might not have believed Kamal Anis. But the descriptions given by the many other refugees who escaped from Jenin camp were understated, not, as many feared and Israel encouraged us to believe, exaggerations. Their stories had not prepared me for what I saw yesterday. I believe them now.

Until two weeks ago, there were several hundred tightly-packed homes in this neighbourhood called Hanat al-Hawashim. They no longer exist.

Around the central ruins, there are many hundreds of half-wrecked homes. Much of the camp – once home to 15,000 Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war – is falling down. Every wall is speckled and torn with bullet holes and shrapnel, testimony of the awesome, random firepower of Cobra and Apache helicopters that hovered over the camp.

Building after building has been torn apart, their contents of cheap fake furnishings, mattresses, white plastic chairs spewed out into the road. Every other building bears the giant, charred, impact mark of a helicopter missile. Last night there were still many families and weeping children still living amid the ruins, cut off from the humanitarian aid. Ominously, we found no wounded, although there was a report of a man being rescued from beneath ruins only an hour before we arrived.

Those who did not flee the camp, or not detained by the army, have spent the bombardment in basements, enduring day after day of terror. Some were forced into rooms by the soldiers, who smashed their way into houses through the walls. The UN says half of the camp's 15,000 residents were under 18. As the evening hush fell over these killing fields, we could suddenly hear the children chattering. The mosques, once so noisy at prayer time, were silent.

Israel was still trying to conceal these scenes yesterday. It had refused entry to Red Cross ambulances for nearly a week, in violation of the Geneva Convention. Yesterday it continued to try to keep us out.

Jenin, in the northern end of the occupied West Bank, remained "a closed military zone", was ringed Merkava tanks, army Jeep patrols, and armoured personnel carriers. Reporters caught trying to get in were escorted out. A day earlier the Israeli armed forces took in a few selected journalists to see sanitised parts of the camp. We simply walked across the fields, flitted through an olive orchard overlooked by two Israeli tanks, and into the camp itself.

We were led in by hands gesturing at windows. Hidden, whispering people directed us through narrow alleys they thought were clear. When there were soldiers about, a finger would raise in warning, or a hand waved us back. We were welcomed by people desperate to tell what had occurred. They spoke of executions, and bulldozers wrecking homes with people inside. "This is mass murder committed by Ariel Sharon," Jamel Saleh, 43, said. "We feel more hate for Israel now than ever. Look at this boy." He placed his hand on the tousled head of a little boy, Mohammed, the eight-year-old son of a friend. "He saw all this evil. He will remember it all." So will everyone else who saw the horror of Jenin refugee camp. Palestinians who entered the camp yesterday were almost speechless.

Rajib Ahmed, from the Palestinian Energy Authority, came to try to repair the power lines. He was trembling with fury and shock. "This is mass murder. I have come here to help by I have found nothing but devastation. Just look for yourself." All had the same message: tell the world.




http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=285413

Written by Michael Moore (on his mailing list)
It is shocking and horrifying when terrorism is committed
by desperate suicide bombers. It's beyond belief when that terrorism is committed as an organized act by an avowed democratic state.
 
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tommysmalls

TRIBE Member
W - get out NOW
Sharon - NO
W - ok

crossfire was great last night - the palestinian rep to the US was reporting exactly what you posted pete (likening Sharon to Milosovic), and the cnn dudes were sweeping it under the rug, shifting focus back on how immoral the palestinians are for supporting terror groups...

KILL WHITEY!!!
 

tommysmalls

TRIBE Member
and this whole situation is so deeply soaked in horrific irony, that it angers and pains me to think about:

Israel is claiming 'self defence' as a motive for conducting wide-spread in-humane invasions and attacks on the impoverished palestinians in order to 'fight terror'

WHERE AM I ?? This surely must be the bizarro world.
 
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Subsonic Chronic

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I don't even understand it. If the plan the whole time had been to kill hundreds of civilians and cover it up, surely they would know that eventually evidence of these crimes would surface. Especially since they were so adamant about keeping reporters out of Jenin during the fighting, indicating that they had something to hide.

My only hope is that these stories coming out of the refugee camps are exagerations, and not understatements of some terrible acts of organized slaughter that took place.

Pete
 

ADT

TRIBE Member
not a word of this on cnn.com

surprised?

as long as they cover it up enough that the major news organizations can ignore it, and the bush administration dont have to acknoledge that they/we are financially and politically supporting a oppressive racist and murderous occupation...

well... who cares?
 
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tommysmalls

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SHARON = LIAR!

according to the palestine chronicle, israeli forces are moving into at least 3 new towns:

Israeli Forces Carry Out New Incursions in West Bank

Tuesday, April 16 2002 @ 07:32 AM GMT

JERUSALEM: Israeli forces have carried out new incursions into at least three Palestinian towns in the West Bank. Israeli tanks and armored personnel carriers rolled into the towns Abu Dis, Izzariyeh and Sawahra a-Sharkiyeh near Jerusalem early Tuesday morning.

The troop declared a curfew, confining thousands of Palestinians to their homes.

Hours earlier, Israeli forces re-entered the town of Tulkarm in the northern West Bank. Palestinian officials say soldiers arrested at least five Palestinians before retreating to the outskirts of the town.

The new military moves come after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon assured President Bush that Israeli forces will withdraw from the West Bank towns of Jenin and Nablus within a week.

A White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said even though the withdrawal is far short of what Bush had asked for, the president found the promise "a positive development" because it shows the pull outs are continuing.

He said President Bush also urged the Israeli Prime Minister to improve humanitarian conditions in West Bank areas that have been overrun by Israeli troops.

The spokesman said the president spoke with Sharon by telephone Monday, after the Israeli leader told an American television network (CNN) that Israeli troops will begin pulling out of all Palestinian cities, except Ramallah and Bethlehem.

In another development, an Israeli military official confirmed that Israel has re-opened the notorious desert detention camp, Ketziot, where thousands of Palestinians were held in tents during the 1987-93 uprising against Israeli occupation.

The camp is known for its extreme conditions. Detainees were exposed to sweltering heat in the summer and biting cold in the winter, as well as rats, snakes and scorpions.
 
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Rosey

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pete, i doubt they "planned" to do this. more likely a group of soldiers or a commander got out of control - now it's just a matter of stalling the world pressure off. the longer they go without having to face what they've done, the more they can do.
 

rentboy

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it's interesting to see how the slaughtering of close to 15,000 people isn't newsworthy...

so September 11th is different then?

The fucking US...why do they turn their backs on this shit...the repercussions will be horrific. Are they asking for another Sept. 11th?



:( why does the world have to be such a shitty place?
 

nleye10d1

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by ADT
not a word of this on cnn.com

surprised?

as long as they cover it up enough that the major news organizations can ignore it, and the bush administration dont have to acknoledge that they/we are financially and politically supporting a oppressive racist and murderous occupation...

well... who cares?

It is on cnn.com. It's just not the main story. They even give the point of view of the Palestinians there, too.
 
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rentboy

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by nleye10d1



It is on cnn.com. It's just not the main story.
This is what bothers me...shouldn't it be the main story? Just because it's happening somewhere else in the world still makes it relevant to the U.S.

If the IRA had bombed London, England then it would get more attention.
 

Subsonic Chronic

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by tommysmalls
so my question is:

U.N. - WHERE ARE YOU??
Canada votes against UN resolution condemning 'mass killings' by Israel

Geneva — Over the objections of Canada and a few other western countries, the UN's top human-rights body condemned Monday what it called "mass killings" during Israel's assaults in the West Bank.

The resolution "strongly condemns the war launched by the Israeli army against Palestinian towns and (refugee) camps, which has resulted so far in the death of hundreds of Palestinian civilians, including women and children."

Pakistani ambassador Munir Akram, who introduced the resolution, said it was in response to "a brutal occupation on the Palestinian people," and actions which were tantamount to "war crimes."

The UN Human Rights Commission voted by 40-5, with seven abstentions, to express its "grave concern" over the 17-day-old Israeli incursion, which it said included "acts of mass killings perpetrated by the Israeli occupying authorities against the Palestinian people."

Canada, the Czech Republic, Guatemala, Germany and Britain voted against the resolution. The British and German votes split the European Union, which normally acts as a bloc.

Israel and the United States are not members of the commission and have no voting rights.

Israeli ambassador Yaakov Levy complained the resolution "contributes neither to the advancement of human rights nor to the cessation of violence in the area and the restoration of peace and security through a return to the negotiating table."

The Palestinians say there was a massacre in the refugee camp in Jenin, scene of a bitter extended battle between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian defenders.

The Israeli army insists that there was no massacre, saying about 100 Palestinians died but that many of them were Palestinian fighters.

Countries that voted against the resolution said they were concerned that it did not mention human-rights abuses committed by Palestinians and that there was no outright condemnation of terrorism.

Of the nine EU countries that are members of the commission, six — Austria, Belgium, France, Portugal, Spain and Sweden — voted in favour. Germany and Britain voted against while Italy abstained.

"The text contains formulations that might be interpreted as an endorsement of violence," German ambassador Walter Lewalter told the meeting. "There is no condemnation whatsoever of terrorism."

Earlier in its six-week meeting, the commission voted to send a special mission to the region, headed by Mary Robinson, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.

UN spokeswoman Véronique Taveau said that, as of Monday morning, the Israeli government had not replied to Ms. Robinson's request for co-operation with the mission.

From the Globe and Mail (links never work properly)
 

nleye10d1

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by rentboy


This is what bothers me...shouldn't it be the main story? Just because it's happening somewhere else in the world still makes it relevant to the U.S.

If the IRA had bombed London, England then it would get more attention.
This is not something new and you know the answer why. Bombings occur all over the world. What about the death of all those people in the Congo? You can pretty much see we're isolated from the rest of the world. The peace talks in which Colin Powell are discussing seems as though he's siding with Sharon. I find that hilarious.
 

tommysmalls

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Subsonic Chronic
the Czech Republic, Guatemala, Germany and Britain voted against the resolution.
the CZECHS !!!!!?????? I can understand canada and britain being america's puppet on this one, but the CZECHS???

thats right, in 1968 they loved in when the russians rolled in and took over their land, i forgot about that.
 

rentboy

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by nleye10d1


This is not something new and you know the answer why. Bombings occur all over the world. What about the death of all those people in the Congo? You can pretty much see we're isolated from the rest of the world. The peace talks in which Colin Powell are discussing seems as though he's siding with Sharon. I find that hilarious.
it's just unfortunate...i think 1/2 of North America (maybe more) are oblivious to the conflicts around the globe due to poor news coverage (and that they don't really care because we live in such a safe haven)...most people tend to browze through a newspaper, so that method often passes people by.

As for Powell siding with Sharon...i think that's a given...the USA will always back up Israel no matter what.

As for "peace" talks... what a crock? peace is unattainable...the devastation and bitterness is too far gone for that.
 
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nleye10d1

TRIBE Member
There's so much crap going on with the US I can't stand really. The biggest was the breaking of that ATB treaty. American Patriotism has morphed into some sadistic calling of world power.
 

Chris

Well-Known TRIBEr
I'm having serious trouble believe some of these stories...Maybe I'm a little biased, but I have serious doubts that Israel and its armed forces would have committed such atrocities. Sorry but thats me.

I'm still on the side that Israel has the right to defend itself and rout out all of the terrorist cells and weapon caches that are within its borders, the country is facing an armed insurrection, what are they supposed to do, sit back, and take it. Don't think so. I know I wouldnt if in power.

Everybody is feeling for the Palestinians so called civilians right now, Im sorry but a person firing off rounds is not really a civilian anymore are they, and my first question is why the F__CK are these people allowed to have firearms in the first place?
 

ADT

TRIBE Member
The truth is, that there are NOT thousands of palestinians marching on Washington right now, like there were Israeli supporters...

The media are helping washington stay out of a 'conflict of interest' situation that would completely destabalize the country..

that is, they are ignoring the attrocities so that american public remain neutral on the situation...

the last thing they want is for a moral division in the american people... or even worse, a rise of anti-sematism in America like we are seeing in Europe...

united we stand?

even at such a cost?
 

rentboy

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Originally posted by ChrisD
I'm having serious trouble believe some of these stories...Maybe I'm a little biased, but I have serious doubts that Israel and its armed forces would have committed such atrocities. Sorry but thats me.
I dunno...when the hatred and bitterness runs so deep, i believe either side is capable of anything...no matter how inhumane it may be.


I'm still on the side that Israel has the right to defend itself and rout out all of the terrorist cells and weapon caches that are within its borders, the country is facing an armed insurrection, what are they supposed to do, sit back, and take it. Don't think so. I know I wouldnt if in power.[/B]


I agree...but at what cost?
The cost of women and children...if the stories are correct, and maybe the Israelis were getting fired at, i think firing rockets at a refugee camp is too much.

It's such a messed up situation all round...unfortunately there are no clear cut resolutions for the insurmountable problems over there.
 
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