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Man-made climate change - we're doomed!

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by wickedken, Dec 12, 2016.

  1. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  2. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

    Hey if we can save the planet and not pay anything for it then it's pretty obvious. What's not to like? According to the CBC, only "wealthy people" will end up paying more, and who cares about them right? No brainer!
     
  3. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    The point is that companies that don't pollute (or at least pollute less) *won't* need to raise prices, and thus get an advantage. Consumers get the rebate regardless of which they buy. Everybody wins except the companies that can't/won't reduce their emissions.

    It really is a no brainer!

    More could be done, certainly, but this is the right direction for sure - and is fundamentally a conservative, market-oriented policy.
     
  4. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

    I know! You know that even when Exxon Mobile supports carbon taxation that it must be good.
     
  5. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  6. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  7. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  8. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  9. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  10. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

  11. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

  12. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

  13. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  14. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

    Do you own homework Berrnnnn
     
  15. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    Yo Frothyface, my bum is on your lips
     
  16. DJ_Science

    DJ_Science TRIBE Member

  17. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    Wife and I joining more and varied climate groups - noticing a rise of "Doomists" - kind of a weird pseudoscience/quasi-conspiracy subculture in the "Climate change is real" camp but some even going so far as to say we're gonna turn to Venus in a few decades.

    You can totally see like, why they would freak out a bit i mean - most science lately is, well, kind of alarming. Feedback loops we didn't factor in, oceans taking warmth deep so we weren't truly tracking the rise in ocean temp - methane appearing in higher quantities than we expected given what we know was one story just from the last weeks in a run of these!

    So I get it - but talking to "doomists" can be just as frustrating as talking to climate denialists - and they both end up feeding a hopelessness and futility and bottomless cynicism about anything we can do to make things less shitty for us.
     
  18. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  19. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    I also like the way Jerry Taylor talks about it, he gives conservatives rationales they can glom into easier, like how future warming costs exceed short term mitigation costs and how investors hedge on risks when they face potential high cost investment decisions right - so why wouldn't we hedge risks related to climate change?
     
  20. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

    It's been happening.

    Weather Derivatives: Hedging on Mother Nature - OpenMarkets
     
  21. ndrwrld

    ndrwrld TRIBE Member

  22. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  23. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

    I like how the conservatives now have rationales they can glom into easier, like making money.
     
  24. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    They talk a big game about saving money, improving the playing field for folks, yet they never do tho... Why?
     
  25. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

    Bet there's a rationale for it! In other news carbon has apparently reached some sort of threshold in the atmosphere. Glad the carbon tax is going to solve that problem.
     

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