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mingster

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[rant]

I work at Shoppers, so on Saturdays, when it's usually dead, I whip out Cosmo, Glamour, et al., to relieve my boredom. I never used to read this stuff, save for YM when I was a teen. I look at the ads, see what they recommend, I sell this stuff, so I like to know.

Anyhow, recently, I find myself more and more angered by the material in these mags. The pictures of skinny and beautiful women, in expensive clothing. The images of unattainable status. The generic articles that point out that ALL women are the same when it comes to men, or how to deal with his mother.

It's no wonder women struggle with themselves and the way they look, the way they measure up. It's perhaps wrong to blame print media for the insecurities of society, but seems to me, that there is a correlation.

But the problem doesn't end or begin there. I look at the pics of models on the runway. The way they look sick, with sunken cheeks. Like heroin addicts. Who decides what is beautiful? What is fashionable. They surely haven't decided for me. I can't help but wonder, how is it that more women aren't depressed when they read these magazines. How does it make them feel, generally? To think that even if we could afford that 700$ jacket or those 600$ Manolo Blahnik's, they surely wouldn't look the same as they do on the models.

Nevertheless, we read anyways. I do it to combat boredom. I do it because I sell cosmetics. I guess you could say I'm in the industry. Thankfully, most of my customers don't come in telling me they want to look like Halle Berry, or Sarah Michelle Gellar. But I wonder, do the young girls suffer as a result of the unrealistic images they see in magazines?

Ming.

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I read The Source,XXL,POUNDMAG and various skateboard and dj mags. I'm a sucka for flashy graphics
 

kerouacdude

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Originally posted by mingster
[rant]
It's no wonder women struggle with themselves and the way they look, the way they measure up. It's perhaps wrong to blame print media for the insecurities of society, but seems to me, that there is a correlation.

Let me ask you this: Why is something like Sex and the City seemingly more palatable in this regard? I mean, it's a great show with great writing, but I think part of its appeal to women is similar to the magazines you speak of....totally aspirational and unobtainable lifestyles and fashions...

as an aside, a female friend came back from dinner the other night with some girlfriends disgusted (and I was too) that in the same evening one of the women complained about panhandlers after earlier raving about a $700 Gucci purse.
 
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Rent Fight Club.

From the Ministry of recommendation. It's a perfect cartharsis and middle finger against societal standards and celebrity media.

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Temper Tantrum

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I remember seeing one issue of Cosmo or Mademoiselle or something with two titles , one under the other

"Eating disorders: The secret disease"

"10 ways to stick to your diet and drop that last 10!"

...............My roomate has this book that has all these etiquette things from the 40's and 50's. Kinda like a sociological time clock. And it made a good point in the conclusion: We think we're free of all these rules of etiquette that imprisoned women (ways to dress/act/cook etc.) but were not they've just evolved.

"How to make him fall in love with you all over"
"Disguise those thighs!"

I am an intelligent, attractice young women from an upper-middle class background attending univeristiy. I should be the antithesis of this, I tell myself in my head. But it so godamn programmed into us. I still find myself skimming articles about fad-diets, or best bikinis to wear because for the first time in my life I've gained weight and am somewhat self conscious of my body.

Yet the extremes I see at university frighten me.
Girls who track the calories of everything they eat. We'll go out to dinner "Do you know the sodium/carb count/calories blah blahblahblah" completely ruins the meal. Girls who go on countless diets. One girl I know even got liposuction when she was 17 because she was so unhappy with her diet. Skipping breakfast , lunch and exercising before a date so that when they go to dinner they can seem 'carefree' about their food in front of their date and order a meal.

My 16 year old sister recently asked me to recommend diet pills. I thought I was going to be sick.

I don't know what the solution is, but I can definetly see the problem

~allie~
 

Temper Tantrum

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And on a side note, when I went in for my physical last week my doctor assistant actually commented the following:

Packed back that frosh fifteen eh allie? Don't worry. Your not fat yet.

And then went on to tell me about this new diet she was on and how I should soooooooooooooooooo try it.

I am 5'6 and 120 pounds. :eek:

And this is from my previous status of 105-110.

~allie~
 

Rosey

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by H2Whoa
I prefer JUGS and Older & Bolder.....
club international is where it's at!

and watching fight club is mandatory on a monthly basis. keeps you from believing the hype...or at least let's you temporarily buy into the anti-hype. ;)
 

mingster

TRIBE Member
Re: Re: Magazines.

Originally posted by kerouacdude


Let me ask you this: Why is something like Sex and the City seemingly more palatable in this regard? I mean, it's a great show with great writing, but I think part of its appeal to women is similar to the magazines you speak of....totally aspirational and unobtainable lifestyles and fashions...

I watched an episode the other day actually and all I could think was "this is so unrealistic".

I don't favor SITS over magazines. I think the show also has it's part played in creating the image that women strive for.

Allie: According to your measurements, youshould actually be considered underweight. No offence, but your doc sounds like an idiot.

Ming.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Magazines.

Originally posted by mingster

Allie: According to your measurements, youshould actually be considered underweight. No offence, but your doc sounds like an idiot.

Obviously her genetics have NOTHING to do with it!!
 

Pyrovitae

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i used to read magazines a lot when i was younger. i used to have really bad self esteem and think i was enormous and ugly, comparing myself to the glossy pages i saw before me. it was a monthly ritual to buy everything that came out: 17, ym, cosmo, and sassy. (at least sassy was cool. anyone remember sassy?)

now i don't read them, unless it's to flip through at a doctor's office. i'd like to think i'm impervious to advertising, as i don't have television and i don't read magazines.

i also now believe that i'm an attractive and intelligent woman who's beautiful inside and out. maya angelou says it best:

Pretty women wonder where my secret lies
I'm not cute or built to suit a fashion model's size
But when I start to tell them
They think I'm telling lies.
I say
It's in the reach of my arms
The span of my hips
The stride of my steps
The curl of my lips.
I'm a woman
Phenomenally
Phenomenal woman
That's me.

I walk into a room
Just as cool as you please
And to a man
The fellows stand or
Fall down on their knees
Then they swarm around me
A hive of honey bees.
I say
It's the fire in my eyes
And the flash of my teeth
The swing of my waist
And the joy in my feet.
I'm a woman
Phenomenally
Phenomenal woman
That's me.

Men themselves have wondered
What they see in me
They try so much
But they can't touch
My inner mystery.
When I try to show them
They say they still can't see.
I say
It's in the arch of my back
The sun of my smile
The ride of my breasts
The grace of my style.
I'm a woman
Phenomenally
Phenomenal woman
That's me.

Now you understand
Just why my head's not bowed
I don't shout or jump about
Or have to talk real loud
When you see me passing
It ought to make you proud..
I say
It's in the click of my heels
The bend of my hair
The palm of my hand
The need for my care.
'Cause I'm a woman
Phenomenally
Phenomenal woman
That's me.


*muah*
~N
 

mandapanda

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ok. i LOVE magazines and i LOVE fashion. these images don't bother me. it's not like they reflect reality. besides i don't read crap magazines that say "how to make him fall in love with you all over" or whatever. anyways, as unrealistic as it is, clothes just hang better on a small frame. i realize that these models are basically genetic freaks, and i honestly don't care. i don't want to see average looking people in a magazine, i can see them anywhere. besides, i could never see being anorexic; i enjoy food too much!

if i had it to spend, i would SO blow $900 on the Stella McCartney shirt i saw. but i don't, so whatever. i realize this is a lifestyle i will never obtain (even after i take over the reigns as fashion editor of mixmag ;) ) but it's fun to dream.

as a side note...my favourite magazine ever disappeared last year - NOVA. it was SO good. i also enjoy UK Elle (the only version that doesn't suck), I-D, The Face, and of course Mixmag.
vogue is one of THE most boring mags ever!
 
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Colm

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I usually have to get my football (european of course) fix once a month so I read this mag called FourFourTwo and World Soccer. I used to read URB, but then it really began to suck so I ended my time with it. I just picked up a DnB magazine called Knowledge which I kinda like - excellent CD's.

I also read the usual, National Geographic, some Science stuff and occasionally a newspaper.

For some reason, I tend to find my self nicely toasted reading my roomate's 'In Style' magazine....

The thing is though, I will not as a rule read any magazine along the lines of Maxim - or any of its counterparts. Does anyone else realise how shitty they are? Total crap for the mind.
 
It's amazing how makeup, lighting and a bit of airbrushing can affect a person looks. Magazines habitually use computers to lengthen a woman's legs, alter or delete features. And we try to match and meet an aritificially set standard.

Now, it's easy for me to say ignore it. But it's not as easy as that, as you are going against not only the media consumed image, but a majority of a consumer driven society that oftens buys into this image and is convinced that the standard is achievable.

Saying fuck it to society is a very hard, and very brave thing to do, as you are rejecting the security that you have when you conform to a standard that is accepted by the status quo. Your day to day life can become a struggle, and you have to put up with a lot of shit. It's difficult at first, but after a while you develop a thicker hide and can manage better. Still it's not something easy to do.

So how does that relate to magazines? You're rejecting the hand that feeds us on a day to day basis is what you are doing if you choose not to accept the jaundiced, distorted view that it spoon feeds us on a consistent basis. You should also be a bit more aware of what it is that these magazines, ads and such are telling us - what the message beneath is trying to tell us. Many people believe into the image that white, thin female will grant you happiness, so they try to emulate it. Reject that norm, and you don't really have an image or example to follow or strive for to achieve your happiness. That can be frightening, as we might not have a clue as to what will make us happy, but it can also be very liberating, since you now have a clean slate that can allow you to persue your own choices and desires, allowing you to find your own happiness and not that decided for us by major corporations and ad execs.

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BigBadBaldy

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I only read URB.

It makes me believe that this music/culture scene is important and that I as an individual can actually impact it by my input.

BBB.

Foolish, I know.

It also makes me want to be an overweight black DJ sometimes.

..and sometimes an ugly Brit.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magazines.

Originally posted by mingster


What's your point?

what if she's under weight might be determinded by that.
 
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mingster

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And I wasn't even commenting on the reasons for that.
I was just saying that she needn't worry about being fat.
Ming.
 

Fir3start3r

TRIBE Member
It's really not that much different when it comes to guys and the "Adonis" factor.
Now I do read Men's Health, which to me is to most sane men's rag when it comes to fitness etc. and doesn't show all men as circus freaks pumped up on roids. (Who the hell wants to look like THAT? :eek: )
Their articles are great and at least give me some sense of being able to reach an obtainable goal within the next few months.
Sure they tend to bend to the knuckle dragging-shallow part of the gene pool but what magazine doesn't? They have to sell their stuff too.
So women, don't dispair. You're not the only one fighting the media onslaught of model status.
Just be happy with you are first, but that doesn't mean you have to accept being chubby if you don't want. If you're going to fight the fat, at least have an obtainable goal and don't compair yourself to models. Compair yourself to yourself.
Skinny little toothpick arms and legs? ick.
Oh sure they have a nice face, but if a women can't go out for a nice meal or a mountain hike for the day, forget it!
You know one of first things I asked my wife on our first date?
"You're not one of those water and salad girls are you??"
Thank God she's not! :D
 

Plato

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magazines.

Originally posted by mingster


What's your point?
he has no point

message board asshole and witty snide remark dispenser is the online persona he has adopted.

p[l]a+0
 

futronic

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by BigBadBaldy
I only read URB.

Do you have the April issue of URB and would be willing to sell it to me? Some photos I took of Kenny Glasgow are in there, and I've yet to see what they did with them.

-- Jay aka Fut
 
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