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Louis CK and Bill Hicks

Primavera

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Sort of a debate I was thinking about recently. I had seen a pretty lively debate on this topic a while ago here:
http://www.chud.com/community/t/138...better-more-relevant-comedian-than-bill-hicks

Anyways,

Louis CK is undoubtably one of, if not THE, most popular stand-up comedian working today, and in general (in my opinion) he is one of the most influential men in North America living today.

I'm a huge fan, I saw him live on the "Hilarious" tour (and it was the hardest I've ever laughed in my life at anything), I've watched all his specials and listened to them afterwards I share the youtube clips like so many people in my peer group also do. His material has quite literally changed the way I think. It's influenced me on a way I couldn't even deny.

So what does this have to do with Bill Hicks. I'm also a massive Bill Hicks fan. He died at 32 years of age in 1994. He utilized stand-up comedy to be more of a social critic than just provide straight up jokes. Hicks was massively influential on me in my 20's, mainly my early 20's. And now CK is more influential on me in my late 20's and now early 30's. With Hicks dying in 1994 and a lot of his material being topical and timely, it's not as relevent.

In some ways him and CK have little in common beyond saying some really thought provoking stuff that is alarmingly honest and it enters your brain and festers there and MAKES DAMNED GOOD SENSE.

So I ask to people who are a fan of both these guys, has Louis CK surpassed even a legend like Bill Hicks? Hicks pushed a LOT of boundries with some of his material, he took people to places they were uncomfortable to go to, CK does the same thing but in a less political or angry way.

Does CK benefit from having lived to be his mid 40's and in his PRIME right now, whereas with Bill Hicks you can only wonder how incisive or intelligent or funny his observations might have been had he not died so young.
 
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WestsideWax

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Here's what this guy has to say about dying young (nsfw):

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I'd venture to say that he's more the rightful heir to Hicks' throne, if we're looking at it that way. That's partially because Louis C.K.'s comedy doesn't do much for me, at least what I've heard of it. Blasphemy, I know. :p
 
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Littlest Hobo

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Doug Stanhope is the finest comedian working today. Right now the funniest guy out there. His live shows are a combination of small-venue comedy and a gathering of the juggallos.
 

toney

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Doug Stanhope - was on a great episode of Louie - "Louie" Eddie (TV Episode 2011) - IMDb

CK is softer than Hicks - and can be pandering at times.

I like the bit of where Hicks pretends he's Jay Leno interviewing Joey from Blossom, meanwhile blowing out his brains. Thanks for making me think of this.

Underground Comics w/ Dave Attel is really great too -- Quick sets from some serious comedy powerhouses.

Marc Moran is killing it.

Good to see these guys come full circle.
 

kuba

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Thank you for pointing my uneducated mind to Bill Hicks. I will do some watching tonight. I've found this season of Louie to be astounding and honest, I love the guy.
 
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basketballjones

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Doug Stanhope is the finest comedian working today. Right now the funniest guy out there. His live shows are a combination of small-venue comedy and a gathering of the juggallos.
jim jeffries is also incredible
caught him on sat and it was hilarious. you could clearly some ppl did not know what they were going to though
 

unique2100

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Louis CK is a hack. Terrible comic. He's just a big Reddit circle jerk for under 30's.
"(in my opinion) he is one of the most influential men in North America living today." Umm what? Who does he influence?
 

rentboy

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Louis CK is a hack. Terrible comic. He's just a big Reddit circle jerk for under 30's.
"(in my opinion) he is one of the most influential men in North America living today." Umm what? Who does he influence?
He's no hack. Actually he's revered by the other top tier comedians for his prolific output. He's known to have fresh sets every year now. On top of that he's acting and directing.

In my book Burr is the best around. He's risen up and his sets are so much fun. He recently called Stanhope the best over the last 8 years.
 
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Primavera

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Louis CK is a hack. Terrible comic. He's just a big Reddit circle jerk for under 30's.
"(in my opinion) he is one of the most influential men in North America living today." Umm what? Who does he influence?
A hack? A terrible comic?

That's just absolute crazy talk. He's pretty well recognized as being one of the most popular and probably most respected stand up comics working today.

And who does he influence? People who watch his sets, specials, bits, YouTube clips, his TV show. He plants ideas in people's heads and they change the way they look at things and those thoughts evolve. He's had that effect on me and several other people. It's similar to the effect Bill Hicks' work had on me for many many years.
 
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justin surdit

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This season of Louie has been top notch storytelling. Very real and very raw. His stand up is still on point.

For my money right now, Bill Burr is at the top of the game.

These two, like most top tier comedians end up more along the lines of philosophers than joke tellers. Their ability to express their views on life and to make people think as well as laugh is what sets them apart. Like so many before them...
 

unique2100

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A hack? A terrible comic?

That's just absolute crazy talk. He's pretty well recognized as being one of the most popular and probably most respected stand up comics working today.

And who does he influence? People who watch his sets, specials, bits, YouTube clips, his TV show. He plants ideas in people's heads and they change the way they look at things and those thoughts evolve. He's had that effect on me and several other people. It's similar to the effect Bill Hicks' work had on me for many many years.
This is funnier than anything Louis CK has ever said.
 
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unique2100

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55 Brilliant Louis C.K. Quotes That Will Make You Laugh And Think....

1. You’ll be fine. You’re 25. Feeling [unsure] and lost is part of your path. Don’t avoid it. See what those feelings are showing you and use it. Take a breath. You’ll be okay. Even if you don’t feel okay all the time.

2. You’ve got to be optimistic to be single. Stupid. You have to be stupid. That’s what optimistic means, you know? It means stupid. An optimist is somebody who goes, “Hey, maybe something nice will happen.” Why the fuck would anything nice happen?

3. I don’t stop eating when I’m full. The meal isn’t over when I’m full. It’s over when I hate myself.

4. I finally have the body I want. It’s easy, actually, you just have to want a really shitty body.

5. People say, “My phone sucks.” No, it doesn’t! The shittiest cellphone in the world is a miracle. Your life sucks. Around the phone.

6. Talking is always positive. That’s why I talk too much.

7. I grew up in Boston, and in Boston, people just beat the shit out of each other for no reason. They just beat the shit out of each other. But I kinda think you need that to keep quality control ’cause in places where it doesn’t have it, they’re too free.

8. Some things I think are very conservative, or very liberal. I think when someone falls into one category for everything, I’m very suspicious. It doesn’t make sense to me that you’d have the same solution to every issue.

9. I don’t think women are better than men, I think men are a lot worse than women.

10. When I was younger, I lied all the time, because once you understand the power of lying, it’s really like magic because you transform reality for people.

11. Farts are—I just refuse to be snobbish about certain shit with comedy. You know, farts come out of your ass and they make a fucking trumpet sound. That shit smelling gas comes out of your ass and it makes a toot sound. What the fuck is not funny about that? It’s perfect, it’s a perfect joke. It has all the elements.

12. Kids are like buckets of disease that live in your house.

13. I used to like people more, but now I have children and that changes your life in a lot
of ways. Like you spend time with people you never would have chosen to spend time with, not in a million years. I spend whole days with people, I’m like, “I never would have hung out with you. I didn’t choose you. Our children chose each other based on no
criteria by the way. They’re the same size. They don’t care who they make me hang out with.”

14. I just don’t trust any of it. Every time I read something about how there’s been another ridiculous climb of the Dow Jones, there’s a part of me that goes, “This can’t be good.” None of this is real money. You know what I mean? It’s not like there’s actually more of anything. It’s just ideas. When people are getting richer and richer but they’re not actually producing anything, it can’t end well.

15. I’ve started to kind of hate people, and it’s not because I have anything against them. It’s just, I enjoy it. It’s recreation.

16. People get angry at environmentalists because they think they’re slowing down the economy and creating restrictions and a lot of these people are Christian. A lot of these people are very devout Christians and that’s such a confusing thing to me — that if you believed that God gave you the Earth, that God created the Earth for you, why would you not have to look after it?…Why would you not think that when he came back he wouldn’t go, “What the fuck did you do? I GAVE THIS TO YOU MOTHERFUCKERS! ARE YOU CRAZY? THE POLAR BEARS ARE BROWN! WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE POLAR BEARS? Did you shit all over every polar bear?”

17. I love to shit. It’s my favorite thing. I don’t know why they call it Number Two. I think it’s easily the best one. In my book, it’s Number One.

18. It’s like when you’re talking to a girl at a bar because you’re attracted to her, the first thing you say is always gonna be dog shit. The most honest thing you could say to her is ‘I wanna fuck your face.’ That’s the most honest thing you could say.

19. As humans, we waste the shit out of our words. It’s sad. We use words like “awesome” and “wonderful” like they’re candy. It was awesome? Really? It inspired awe? It was wonderful? Are you serious? It was full of wonder? You use the word “amazing” to describe a goddamn sandwich at Wendy’s. What’s going to happen on your wedding day, or when your first child is born? How will you describe it? You already wasted “amazing” on a fucking sandwich.

20. I read something in the paper that really confused me the other day. It said that 80 percent of the people in New York are minorities…Shouldn’t you not call them minorities when they get to be 80 percent of the population? That’s a very white attitude, don’t you think? I mean, you could take a white guy to Africa and he’d be like, “Look at all the minorities around here! I’m the only majority.”

21. There are two types of people in the world: People who say they pee in the shower and dirty fucking liars.

22. I killed my Facebook page years ago because time clicking around is just dead time. Your brain isn’t resting and it isn’t doing. I think people have to get their heads around this thing. All this unmitigated input is hurting folks.

23. Drugs are so fucking good that they will ruin your life.

24. It seems like the better it gets, the more miserable people become. There’s never a technological advancement where people think, “Wow, we can finally do this!” And I think a lot of it has to do with advertising. Americans have it constantly drilled into our heads, every fucking day, that we deserve everything to be perfect all the time.

25. A man will cut your arm off and throw it in a river, but he’ll leave you as a human being intact. He won’t fuck with who you are. Women are non-violent, but they will shit inside of your heart.

26. I really think that white people are from another planet because when we came to America, it was so nice. It was just Indians. And they weren’t even Indians. We called them that by accident. And we still call them that. We knew in a month that it wasn’t Indians but we just don’t give a shit. We never correct it. We came here. They’re like, “Hi.” And we’re like, “Hey, you’re Indians, right?” And they’re like, “No.” “No, this is India, right?” “No, it’s not. It’s a totally other place.” “You’re not Indians?” “No.” “Ahh, you’re Indians.” “You’re Indians for hundreds of years after.”

27. Women try to compete. They’re like, “Well I’m a pervert. You don’t know. I have really sick sexual thoughts.” I’m like, “No, you have no idea. You have no idea.” “Cause you see, you get to have those thoughts. I have to have those thoughts. You’re a tourist in sexual perversion. I’m a prisoner there. You’re Jane Fonda on a tank. I’m John McCain in the hut.”

28. I have a lot of beliefs and I live by none of ‘em. That’s just the way I am. They’re just my beliefs. I just like believing them. I like that part.”

29. If you’re older, you’re smarter. I just believe that. If you’re in an argument with someone older than you, you should listen to ‘em. Even if they’re wrong, their wrongness is rooted in more information than you have.

30. Young guys, they’re afraid of women. They’re afraid of their feelings. “My girlfriend’s mad at me!” Well, later she won’t be, fucking calm down. They’re afraid of their bodies, they’re afraid of women’s bodies. “My girlfriend’s having her period, what do I do?” Fuck her in the period hole, you idiot, what’s the dilemma? I don’t give a shit, if you’re having your period, come on over. I’m 41, I’ll fuck the shit out of you, I’ll drink the blood, let’s party.”

31. “Fuck it.” That’s really the attitude that’s keeps a family together. It’s not “We love each other!” It’s “Fuck it.”

32. I did a show in New Jersey in the auditorium of a technical high school … Technical high school, that’s where dreams are narrowed down. We tell our children, “You can do anything you want.” Their whole lives. “You can do anything!” But this place, we take kids — they’re 15, they’re young — and we tell them, “You can do eight things. We got it down to eight for you.”

33. God is like a shitty girlfriend.

34. I wish I could know everything ever, like that would be my wish – that’s what I hope heaven is, that they tell you who shot JFK and all that stuff.

35. Life’s too short to be an asshole, as an employer or as an employee.

36. When you first get married, you have a relationship that’s so important to you, and you’re working on it together. But then you have a kid. And you look at your kid and you go, “Holy shit, this is my child. She has my DNA. She has my name. I would die for her.” And you look at your spouse and go, “Who the fuck are you? You’re a stranger.”

37. “I’m bored” is a useless thing to say. I mean, you live in a great, big, vast world that you’ve seen none percent of. Even the inside of your own mind is endless, it goes on forever, inwardly, do you understand? The fact that you’re alive is amazing, so you don’t get to say “I’m bored.”

38. I’m not an atheist. I think god is there and that he is watching and he made us. I just don’t give a shit. I don’t “believe in god.” I have zero idea how everything got here. I would personally say that, if I had to make a list of possibles, God would be pretty far down. But if I were to make a list of people that know what the fuck they are talking about, I would be really far down.

39. It doesn’t have any effect on your life. What do you care?! People try to talk about it like it’s a social issue. Like when you see someone stand up on a talk show and say, “How am I supposed to explain to my children that two men are getting married?… I dunno. It’s your shitty kid. You fuckin’ tell ‘em. Why is that anyone else’s problem? Two guys are in love and they can’t get married because you don’t want to talk to your ugly child for five fuckin’ minutes?

40. If you do something and people think you’re stupid, just go for crazy. You get more respect that way because nobody likes stupid people.

41. It’s in the Ten Commandments to not take the Lord’s name in vain. Rape is not up there, by the way. Rape is not a Ten Commandment. But don’t say the dude’s name with a shitty attitude.

42. I ate too much and masturbated too recently, you know? It’s bad to like jerk off and run out the door, ’cause you run into somebody. “Oh, she knows…” You got to take some time alone to process the shame.

43. There are people that really live by doing the right thing, but I don’t know what that is, I’m really curious about that. I’m really curious about what people think they’re doing when they’re doing something evil, casually. I think it’s really interesting, that we benefit from suffering so much, and we excuse ourselves from it.

44. If you’re a woman and a guy’s ever said anything romantic to you, he just left off the second part that would have made you sick if you could have heard it.

45. I don’t think you should ever say anything that you’re going to have to apologize for later. If the heat gets hot, just let them get mad. How did somebody make you apologize? Did they literally hit you on your body? Let them be upset. It’s not the worst thing in the world. It doesn’t mean you’re going to be a pauper. It’s a desperate thing to need everybody to be really happy with everything you say. To me the way to manage is not to have 50 versions of yourself. I do this thing, and the next time you’re going to hear me is the next time I do another one. As soon as you crack your knuckles and open up a comments page, you just canceled your subscription to being a good person.

46. I am really tired of looking at my hips. I’m seriously really tired of standing naked in the mirror and staring at my hips for hours and hours while muttering, “You hips. You hips need to get it together.”

47. Everything that’s difficult you should be able to laugh about.

48. Twitter and Facebook and MySpace; all that stuff makes you warped. We’ve all basically given ourselves data entry jobs. I’ve actually heard people say things like, “Aw shit, I have to update my Twitter.” Really? You have to? That’s a big priority for you?

49. Even after 9/11, during the darkest moment of our recent history, the President told us, “Go shopping.” That’s how we were told to uphold American values; go out and fucking buy more shit. So what were we supposed to do?

50. Friends should always tell you the truth. But please don’t.

51. Out of the people that ever were, almost all of them are dead. There are way more dead people, and you’re all gonna die and then you’re gonna be dead for way longer than you’re alive. Like that’s mostly what you’re ever gonna be. You’re just dead people that didn’t die yet.

52. Bill Gates has 90 billion dollars … If I had 90 billion dollars, I wouldn’t have it for long because I would just dream of all the crazy stuff I could do with it. This guy, 90 billion dollars. He could buy every baseball team and make them all wear dresses and still have 88 billion dollars.

53. Divorce is always good news. I know that sounds weird, but it’s true because no good marriage has ever ended in divorce … That would be sad. If two people were married and they were really and they just had a great thing and then they got divorced, that would be really sad. But that has happened zero times.

54. When you write from your gut and let the stuff stay flawed and don’t let anybody tell you to make it better, it can end up looking like nothing else.

55. There’s nowhere I won’t go. As long as it’s horribly, horribly true and/or wrong.

Is any of this funny or thought provoking at all?
 

Boss Hog

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The show is great, I think the year off really helped him recharge and keep it crisp.

There's something about the actor who plays his daughter Jane - she just absolutely steals every scene she's in. It was great to watch his reaction to her in her tirade against school in that last episode.
 

sheik rock

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Both his last season and last stand up seemed a bit threadbare. The year off has definitely helped. Show is excellent again.
 

Primavera

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Is any of this funny or thought provoking at all?
Yes, several of those are.

Of course seeing it written down is less compelling than watching or hearing him tell the lines with his delivery.

Also that list is missing a TON of his best material, that list is not most of his better stuff.
 
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rentboy

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Yes, several of those are.

Of course seeing it written down is less compelling than watching or hearing him tell the lines with his delivery.

Also that list is missing a TON of his best material, that list is not most of his better stuff.
Exactly. Delivery and phrasing is a massive part of the act. You can't put it on paper or re-tell it.
 

Primavera

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It's like looking at Mitch Hedburg jokes written down.

Just not the same, it's all about his voice and how he chooses to approach the delivery. Mitch's jokes are really the best coming from Mitch's voice. Written down sooooo not the same.

Louie has a great way of taking the crowd to a place 30 minutes into a set he would never have in the first 5 minutes, it's all about him planting sort of crazy ideas that are more reasonable and rational as the set goes on. Like when starts the "Of Course, but maybe" bit in the Oh My God set, he's already gone through the "if murder was legal" bit and at a certain point when he talks about slavery maaaaaybe not being an entirely terrible thing and the crowd sort of gasps and then he reminds them "hey you laughed at dead kids being murdered a few minutes ago, so you're in this with me now". And it's totally damned true. He takes his audience to places and convinces them to stay along for the ride. That kind of shit will NEVER translate just written down. You need to watch the entire set and see the evolution of it to understand the brilliance of his delivery.

Bill Hicks had the same skill at just going to a deep, dark place of the most brutal honestly in the human psyche and somehow managing to carry his often skeptical audience along for the journey.
 
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unique2100

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Ah of course, the old thats not his funniest stuff excuse. Please post some examples of his best work then. Ive seen a lot of his work and its simply not funny and certainly not thought provoking. I saw that show with the slavery bit. It doesnt offer any deeper insight its just crass bullshit. Slaves built the pyramids so slavery isnt all bad? This influenced you to believe this?

The man is no Bill Hicks.
 
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Primavera

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[YOUTUBE]vzwXqkGApBk]Louis CK - Hilarious - Part 7 - The Way We Talk - YouTube[/url][/YOUTUBE]
 
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