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Look - 'Saddam' Has No Roots

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By Jeff Rense
http://www.rense.com/general45/roots.htm
12-15-3

There is one blatant, glaring, searingly obvious fact that no one in the media seems to have noticed.

Somehow this man, whoever he is, has carefully DYED HIS HAIR and EYEBROWS dark brown very shortly before his 'capture.'

Look at the photos, there are no grey/white roots anywhere. NONE.

There WOULD BE grey/white showing at the hairline within a few days after hair coloring with anyone who has mostly grey/white hair. Especially with such a vast difference between dark brown and grey/white...the contrast is enormous. Ask any woman who colors her hair dark about having to deal with grey/white roots.

If this fellow had been down there for ANY length of time, there would be grey/white roots.

If he had been trying for an honest, intelligent disguise, he would have stopped dying his hair and eyebrows...in fact, he probably would have encouraged the white-haired look.

If he had been living or held prisoner in his 'spider hole' (notice the phrase from the Pentagon ...negative word association, of course) for any length of time, who did his hair and eyebrows for him? Marcel of Baghdad?

So, who is this guy?





Either it is Saddam...and they are being honest about the DNA tests (do we trust people who lied about his WMD and so many other issues?). If it is, in fact, the former President, his vanity certainly didn't help his 'old man' disguise (maybe he wore a hat when out for a stroll?).

Or, he's one of the many doubles who were floated around for years and who may have been mind-washed back into grade school status - which might account for the 'disoriented' state he was said to be in when found.

Take a look...



Comment
From Michael Shore - Israel
12-16-3

How will we know it's the "real" Saddam???

Like, do you really believe the GOVERNMENT VERSION OF 911??? DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER WHAT THAT IS??? SO HOW EASY IT WOULD BE TO FOOL YOU WITH A "FAKE" SADDAM.

Saddam had about ten look a likes while he was in power.It was reported by an Iraqi witness that when the US first attacked Iraq, a convoy of several limousines drove onto the runway of Iraq's airport, where US military cargo planes were waiting and the cars drove into the cargo hatch and the planes then took off. Saddam was seen to be in one of the limos.
http://www.rense.com/general45/cmdr.htm

Why would Saddam still be in Iraq in some hole in the ground with all his billions$$$$ ???

The Bush family and Saddam have been business partners for many years and have made billions$$$ on charades and hoaxes before.

Saddam's two sons who were "supposedly" killed also had double,look a likes. Remember the US government said they were going to positively identify Saddam's two sons with Saddam's son's DNA. Did anyone ever hear that the DNA matched??? No follow up story about the DNA matches were ever in the news>>>so what "really" happened???

IF YOU CONTROL THE MEDIA, YOU CAN WRITE OR BROADCAST ANY STORY YOU CHOOSE - EVEN IF IT'S A LIE!!!

AMERICANS WOULD NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FAKE SADDAM AND THE" REAL" SADDAM even if he sat right down next to them in a bar.. After all over 40% of the American people were led to believe that it was Saddam who did 911 and NOT Ossama bin Laden, so that Bush was able to start the Iraqi WAR FOR OIL

It was said that Saddam was "very disoriented", meaning that whoever was posing as Saddam was on heavy duty DRUGS. So now you have a drugged out Saddam, who is disoriented.Plus he was taken to a secret location quickly. So he did not't have to speak to the cameras and the public. Someone said he looked like an Israeli ACTOR..

Already there are discrepancies in Saddam's capture story. In this article, it says this Saddam had a FAKE beard that "SOLDIERS PULLED OFF A "FALSE" BEARD AND TOOK SAMPLES FROM THE OUSTED DICTATOR FOR DNA IDENTITY"
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/14/1071336803092.html?from=top5

In the following story it says Saddam had a "REAL" "thick graying beard"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031214/ap_on_
re_mi_ea/iraq_saddam&cid=540&ncid=716

Saddam easily had enough money to get a plastic surgeon to give him a new face. He could have easily got a new passport if he was still in Iraq, and simply walk, drive or fly across the border.

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO MATCH DNA???

WHO'S THE DOCTOR CONFIRMING THE MATCH??? OBVIOUSLY THE DOCTOR COULD LIE. The government has done it before.Remember the JFK assasination?

ARE WE REALLY GETTING THE TRUTH???

The main question is "WHAT WAS A MULTI-BILLIONAIRE STILL DOING AFTER 8 MONTHS N IRAQ HIDING OUT IN A TINY HOLE ???" Even a poverty stricken common criminal can give himself a new identity with a different appearance for a few hundred or a few thousand buck,depending how sophisticated you'd like to change your identity and HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE. If Saddam with all his Iraqi connections and all his billions of dollars couldn't get safely out of Iraq and into another country with a new identity. then you're not really thinking and you're not that smart.

It will be interesting to see how things develop - that's for sure.

It will be interesting to see if when asked where he got his Weapons of Mass Destruction and Saddam TRUTHFULLY says that he got his Weapons of Mass Destruction from the US and UK. What would Bush say then??? It is quite possible that for this reason,this Saddam, whoever he is, "commits suicide or dies" before any trial

Obviously this gives Bush a political lift, even though Bush continues his killing of innocent Iraqi babies, children, women and men
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=11&u=/
nm/20031214/pl_nm/iraq_usa_politics_dc_2

And Bush, his father, Cheney etc. continue to make trillions $$$ from Iraqi oil and the rebuilding of Iraq, a country Bush unnecessarily destroyed!!!

Michael Shore


Comment
From Scott T Davis
12-16-3

Dear Jeff - I am afraid that many people will consider the dye job just an act of vanity. Maybe so, but I think not.

I do admit I am a vain man and when I started to 'silver' - as you know premature grey guys don't turn grey, it's silver - I did color my hair for a few years. I am telling you it's very labor intensive to keep that coarse type of hair that well-colored, as you pointed out in your article. It is hard to believe even if you are an egomaniac dictator on the run, you're going to say "Gee, I need a touch-up" especially considering you have 100,000 US soldiers looking for you and at least two ethnic factions that would love to inflict some serious payback; not to mention the typical criminal element that knows you'rr on the run with a few million dollars plus a $26,000,000 dollar bounty on your head ! I'm glad you realize vanity and stupidity are two different words.



Comment
From Lucky - New Zealand
12-16-3

It is not possible for me to judge whether this is the real Saddam Hussein. What matters is that:

1. the colour of his hair was painted black as the Saddam we know.

2. the length of his hair was as the man we knew, albeit like the local homeless people uncombed and uncared for: except the colouring of the black.

3. so, for Joe average, it was clearly recognisable that this was the man, only the beard had to be shaved.

4. But reality does work with truth and doesn't have Joe Public in mind and if Saddam wants to grow his beard to make him less recognisable, then why not get rid of the colouring of the hair? If the beard grows beyond normal, why not the hair? And if he is for days or weeks hidden in that farm why hasn't the colouring partly grown out?

5. Why stay in a township in the first place, where 60% of the people have been arrested lately?

6. Why is the parading of a prisoner (even one like Saddam) suddenly not any longer against the convention of Geneva and why should the whole world witness his being checked by a doctor with plastic gloves to take a dna sample and check him for lice.

Are we creating an image here? Are we like the preacher preaching and praying to God in fact addressing Joe Public and influencing his way of thinking?

I saw a cartoon recenty of President Bush inspecting his troops. Whereas he drove saluting past the line of troops...the line of troops was... a line of cameras of CNN, etc.

You can safely say that nowadays EVERYTHING is done with the programming of the public in mind that truth and objectivity has never been further removed than at present.

What is fact and what is fiction in our tale of Saddam Hussein?

1. He committed his worst crimes when under influence of the Anglo Americans. That was in the 1980s. Coincidently that was in the same period that other villain Mugabe was made Knight. Then it is good and virtuous to steel from your own people on behalf of... even if you label it privatisation.

2. Somehow - just like this other villain - our guy with only average intelligence - just like this other villain - became aware that he was being used and got tired of being rewarded for it with - apart from lots of money - being made the villain. So he switched alliance. Instead of Anglo American Monarchists Olichargists to France Russian Lower Class Communists. In the case of Saddam this lead to the price of Oil going up from 30c per barrel for Iraq to much more. Iraq changed in the end of the 80s from an Islamic country to one with a modern infra structure, free health service and education for male and female. No, Islamic terrorism allowed here. We are now led to believe that in Iraq they have the technology to do a DNA test in a matter of hours, whereas in the West it takes roughly five days. Under pressure that is. In the case of Mugabe the country fell into poverty. Both systems are, of course, totalitarian.

But, then again, so are the British systems, with the difference that the people's idea and believe of freedom are carefully fostered. If they only feel happy and good, then it IS good.

The real war is not against Saddam it is against France and Russia. Therefore it was logical for Saddam to have gone to Belarus, Minsk. This is where he was in September, as all newspapers reported. But he wanted a deal. The question is: did he get one, if only he would co-operate?

Just over a week ago, it was reported in the rumour press that both Soros and Buffet were betting for the dollar going down. This was odd, because such bets are only working when everybody else bets otherwise and is absolutely unaware of what Soros & Co are doing. Or, was it misinformation? In any case, the dollar goes up. and if Soros & Co did in fact bet for the dollar going up, whilst everybody else was thinking it going down, then ring, cashier.... For Soros & Co that is. And HOW does the dollar go up, grace to whom? Our rabbit in the hat.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
What? You mean Saddam Hussein wouldn't have taken like 20 billion dollars and took off at the first sign of trouble?

Come on now...
 

Subsonic Chronic

TRIBE Member
I'll tell you what. If I was a former dictator who had just been kicked out of power by the U.S. war machine - who now effectively ran the country - and I had millions in cash, I wouldn't be hiding in some fox hole waiting to be found. I'd send one of my many lookalikes to do it.

Pete
 

AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
I don't think one can assume that leaving Iraq would be "easy" for Saddam Hussein, regardless of how much money and resources were at his disposal. Do we know what goes on inside Saddam's head? Sometimes leaders are too proud to leave until the last minute, and sometimes they are desparate to leave and make mistakes. It's certainly not a given. For example, Benito Mussolini was caught by partisans while hiding in a German caravan heading towards the Alps.
 

Neo-Marxist

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Come on! Stick to credible news sites rather than something that just appears on Internet. This is all so ludicrous, it's no wonder why people are so misinformed!
 
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Hi i'm God

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Originally posted by Neo-Marxist
Come on! Stick to credible news sites rather than something that just appears on Internet. This is all so ludicrous, it's no wonder why people are so misinformed!
yOU MEAN LIKE CNN? :rolleyes: ack caps lock.
 

Neo-Marxist

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Hi i'm God
yOU MEAN LIKE CNN? :rolleyes: ack caps lock.
I don't watch the news as I prefer to read it. Hence, magazines and newpapers like The Globe and Mail, Harper's, the New York Times, The Economist, The Guardian, Times of London, Le Monde, Le Monde Diplomatique, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, London Review of Books, the Times Literary Supplement and Die Zeit are all preferable, regardless of their ideological predilections, to some website erected by some guy cooking up conspiracy theories. Of course, this is not to suggest all of the sources I mentioned provided credible analysis on the lead-up to war, but I would still trust something a lot more in a paper such as, say, the National Post than something on a website posted by Joe Farmer from Iowa. Finally, I never insinuated in my thread that CNN was a credible news source. After all, I am convinced the acronym really stands for the Concocted News Network. Nonetheless, please criticize what is posted, not what you think is being posted.
 

Aeryanna

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I don't know if I suscribe to the idea that they don't have the "real" Saddam in custody but here's another story that I've heard recently and might actually make a little more sense if you're looking for a conspiracy theory. The story that's been making its way around the net is that rather than being apprehended by US forces, Saddam Hussein was already in the custody of an Iraqi underground organization, and was actually HANDED OVER to US forces for a large amount of money. Again, I don't know how much truth there is to this- probably not much but it would certainly explain quite a bit that his "supposed" capture just doesn't.
1) His location 2) His appearance and 3) The absence of bodyguards.

Remember, this was a guy that just a few years back was named as one of the richest people on earth by Forbes magazine.
 

2canplay

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Forbes also said the Reichmann's were worth 9 billion dollars the year that Olympia and York crashed, making the family worth 5% of that amount.
 

man_slut

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Aeryanna
I don't know if I suscribe to the idea that they don't have the "real" Saddam in custody but here's another story that I've heard recently and might actually make a little more sense if you're looking for a conspiracy theory. The story that's been making its way around the net is that rather than being apprehended by US forces, Saddam Hussein was already in the custody of an Iraqi underground organization, and was actually HANDED OVER to US forces for a large amount of money. Again, I don't know how much truth there is to this- probably not much but it would certainly explain quite a bit that his "supposed" capture just doesn't.
1) His location 2) His appearance and 3) The absence of bodyguards.

Remember, this was a guy that just a few years back was named as one of the richest people on earth by Forbes magazine.
Here ya go
We got him: Kurds say they caught Saddam
By Paul McGeough, Herald Correspondent in Baghdad
December 22, 2003
http://smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/21/1071941612613.html

Washington's claims that brilliant US intelligence work led to the capture of Saddam Hussein are being challenged by reports sourced in Iraq's Kurdish media claiming that its militia set the circumstances in which the US merely had to go to a farm identified by the Kurds to bag the fugitive former president.

The first media account of the December 13 arrest was aired by a Tehran-based news agency.

American forces took Saddam into custody around 8.30pm local time, but sat on the news until 3pm the next day.

However, in the early hours of Sunday, a Kurdish language wire service reported explicitly: "Saddam Hussein was captured by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. A special intelligence unit led by Qusrat Rasul Ali, a high-ranking member of the PUK, found Saddam Hussein in the city of Tikrit, his birthplace.

"Qusrat's team was accompanied by a group of US soldiers. Further details of the capture will emerge during the day; but the global Kurdish party is about to begin!"

The head of the PUK, Jalal Talabani, was in the Iranian capital en route to Europe.

The Western media in Baghdad were electrified by the Iranian agency's revelation, but as reports of the arrest built, they relied almost exclusively on accounts from US military and intelligence organisations, starting with the words of the US-appointed administrator of Iraq, Paul Bremer: "Ladies and gentlemen: we got 'im".

US officials said that they had extracted the vital piece of information on Saddam's whereabouts from one of the 20 suspects around 5.30pm on December 13 and had immediately assembled a 600-strong force to surround the farm on which he was captured at al-Dwar, south of Tikrit.

Little attention was paid to a line in Pentagon briefings that some of the Kurdish militia might have been in on what was described as a "joint operation"; or to a statement by Ahmed Chalabi, head of the Iraq National Congress, which said that Qusrat and his PUK forces had provided vital information and more.

A Scottish newspaper, the Sunday Herald, quoted from an interview aired on the PUK's al-Hurriyah radio station last Wednesday, in which Adil Murad, a member of the PUK's political bureau,

said that the day before Saddam's capture he was tipped off by a PUK general - Thamir al-Sultan - that Saddam would be arrested within the next 72 hours.

An unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East was quoted in the British Sunday Express yesterday: "Saddam was not captured as a result of any American or British intelligence. We knew that someone would eventually take their revenge, it was just a matter of time."

There has been no American response to the Kurdish claims.

An intriguing question is why Kurdish forces were allowed to join what the US desperately needed to present as an American intelligence success - unless the Kurds had something vital to contribute to the operation so far south of their usual area of activity.

A report from the PUK's northern stronghold, Suliymaniah, early last week claimed a vital intelligence breakthrough after a telephone conversation between Qusrat and Saddam's second wife, Samirah.
 
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Aeryanna

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Go figure. Assuming that it's true, America's "successful"capture of Saddam Hussein suddenly doesn't seem so great if they had to pay people to hand him over.
 

man_slut

TRIBE Member
Oh here's another article from the The Times of India reporting that Saddam was captured by the Kurds:

'Saddam held by Kurds first'
AFP[ MONDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2003 01:48:50 AM ]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/373302.cms

LONDON : Saddam Hussein was captured by US troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces, drugged and abandoned ready for American soldiers to recover him, a British tabloid newspaper reported Sunday.
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Saddam came into the hands of the Kurdish Patriotic Front after being betrayed to the group by a member of the al- Jabour tribe, whose daughter had been raped by Saddam's son Uday, leading to a blood feud, reported the Sunday Express, which quoted an senior British military intelligence officer.
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The newspaper said the full story of events leading up to the ousted Iraqi president's capture on December 13 near his hometown of Tikrit in northern Iraq , "exposes the version peddled by American spin doctors as incomplete".
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A former Iraqi intelligence officer, whom the Express did not name, told the paper that Saddam was held prisoner by a leader of the Kurdish Patriotic Front, which fought alongside US forces during the Iraq war, until he negotiated a deal.
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The deal apparently involved the group gaining political advantage in the region.
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An unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East told the Express: "Saddam was not captured as a result of any American or British intelligence. We knew that someone would eventually take their revenge, it was just a matter of time."
 

AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
American forces said they found US$750,000 cash in the farm house where Saddam was allegedly hiding. I'm curious as to why Saddam would be allowed to keep a large stock of cash if he'd already been captured by the Kurds?
 

~atp~

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The debate on whether or not Saddam was found by the Kurds first, and paid off by the Americans, or found by the Americans first through their own intel is just going to be a guessing game until more evidence starts to leak out.

Saddam was found in a hole in the ground, caught with very little (if any) resistance. There was some money lying around, and it sounds like the Kurds knew at least something about the arrest.

It seems likely to me that the Americans were assisted to a certain degree by the Kurdish groups mentioned above. It also seems likely that Saddam Hussein was "captured" by the Kurdish group...but these are just guesses, we might never know the details.


I'm more concerned about what the United States decides to do with him. It will be interesting to see how they handle the politics of his death... ;)
 
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Aeryanna

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Originally posted by AdRiaN
American forces said they found US$750,000 cash in the farm house where Saddam was allegedly hiding. I'm curious as to why Saddam would be allowed to keep a large stock of cash if he'd already been captured by the Kurds?
American forces claimed to have found him with cash and a pistol, but are they lieing or telling the truth? Absolutely no one can verify their story. We simply have to take their word for it and with the track record that this administrating is sporting I wonder about that.
 
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