It should be mandatory for all clubs in Toronto...

[SENSEi]

Originally posted by Nesta
this may sound a bit out there, but i think clubs should consider using plastic cups. i was about to sip on my drink once at ss, and some guy wacked my elbow. the glass hit my tooth and chipped it. biggest buzz killer ever!

I don't understand why System pours Rev in a cup, unless it's so people don't leave with booze on their person.

Cups leave people open to drink contamination by undesireable people.

 

[Vote Quimby]

Not if the bouncers are like in Ottawa. On top of you the second someone sparks a cig.

It will be interesting to see how clubs react to this.

 

[Vote Quimby]

Originally posted by SENSEi
I don't understand why System pours Rev in a cup, unless it's so people don't leave with booze on their person.

Cups leave people open to drink contamination by undesireable people.

1) Water bottle sales.

2) It's easier for staff to know who has a drink and who doesn't at 2:45 when all liquor must be cleared. A Rev bottle spotted at 3am by an inspector could cost the club.

 

[starr]

Originally posted by Littlest Hobo
I've read many clubs in New York will confiscate smokes from patrons when they enter. In New York health inspectors can fine you for having ashtrays on premises. This is because the venue gets fined. Whether or not the patron gets fined is irrevelant.

Club can confiscate whatever they want. They also do this with water bottles. It makes sense to fine venues that are supposed to be complying with a non-smoking by-law for having ashtrays on the premises. I doubt the clubs got shut down for it.

Please find me at least one news report that show that restaurants have been (in your words) SHUT DOWN because someone was smoking inside. As in, I am eating dinner on March 6th and smoking, a smoking inspector comes in and see me and instantly shuts down the restaurant on March 6th for the rest of the night. That is what you were talking about right. People having to leave Boa because someone was smoking a cigarette inside.

Now with tobacco, this will get interesting. The only incentive bar owners have to ensure non-smoking on premises is if the bar owner themselves are held liable. Otherwise they would have opened their own non-smoking establishment long ago, due to the overwhelming demand for these such establishments. Smokers don't give a shit about the bylaw if they themselves are the only one who will get the fine and the owner doesn't boot them. IIRC, Toronto (or somewhere else - I'm not sure) made restaurants smoke-free a while back except owners kept passing out ashtrays and said 'watch out for the inspectors." Making sense yet?

No, your claim that Boa or an event would be instantaneously shut down because someone was found smoking inside still does not make sense to me.

Explain it.

 

[Zorro]

...to meet the needs of those on Tribe.

 

[SENSEi]

Originally posted by starr
I think you are confusing cigarettes with an illegal substance.

It is not illegal to possess cigarettes.

If someone is found smoking in a public building I do not think that the building gets fined. But the smoker gets a fine. Like if someone lights a cigarette on the ttc. Therefore your argument makes no sense.

What happened last time with the smoking ban was that people just kept smoking and the club turned a blind eye and said "Hey, it's your fine, not ours."

 

[SENSEi]

Originally posted by Vote Quimby
1) Water bottle sales.

2) It's easier for staff to know who has a drink and who doesn't at 2:45 when all liquor must be cleared. A Rev bottle spotted at 3am by an inspector could cost the club.

Good points.

 

[starr]

I am just trying to debunk Littlest Hobo's ridiculous claim that events are going to shut down because of one smoker.

 

[starr]

Originally posted by SENSEi
I don't understand why System pours Rev in a cup, unless it's so people don't leave with booze on their person.

Cups leave people open to drink contamination by undesireable people.

There was a fight involving bottles a long time ago. As far as I can remember.

Generally when a venue switches from bottles to cups it is because of a fight.

 

[Vote Quimby]

Originally posted by SENSEi
What happened last time with the smoking ban was that people just kept smoking and the club turned a blind eye and said "Hey, it's your fine, not ours."

It was also a ban only in the city of Toronto, not Metro Toronto back then.

Now it's the entire city, with neighbouring cities following along or already have implemented bans.

 

[Vote Quimby]

Originally posted by starr
There was a fight involving bottles a long time ago. As far as I can remember.

Generally when a venue switches from bottles to cups it is because of a fight.

I've never heard of someone smashing a plastic bottle against the bar, breaking it, and using it in a fight.

ps System still serves beer in bottles.

 

[starr]

Originally posted by SENSEi
What happened last time with the smoking ban was that people just kept smoking and the club turned a blind eye and said "Hey, it's your fine, not ours."

I think you may be surprised this time around.
Although I'm sure that smoking in washroom stalls will increase in the beginning.

 

[starr]

Originally posted by Vote Quimby
I've never heard of someone smashing a plastic bottle against the bar, breaking it, and using it in a fight.

ps System still serves beer in bottles.

it was a LONG time ago

i think they switched everything to cups and i guess they've fazed back to beer in bottles. (again fuzzy memory at work)

rev is very easy to sneak out of any bar...i'm guessing this is probably the reason it didn't get fazed back.

 

[Littlest Hobo]

I am simply raising very real possibilities and worst case scenarios. Johhny Law will treat SS or Boa differently than your average restaurant.

 

[starr]

Originally posted by thom100
I think the difference is ( this is how it happened in Vancouver) is that it is a violation of the workplace health and safety act... because the whole smoking and lung cancer thing for staff...so venues can be both fined and/or shut down because of smoking.

if the venue does not put up proper signage and are COMPLICIT in encouraging patrons to smoke then perhaps they could be shut down

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/health/pdf/smokingbylaw_faq.pdf

 

[Zorro]

The ONLY time System Soundbar use's cups is for Thursday nights. Always been bottles other wise.

 

[starr]

Originally posted by Littlest Hobo
I am simply raising very real possibilities and worst case scenarios. Johhny Law will treat SS or Boa differently than your average restaurant.

I think you are assuming that System or Boa are not going to comply at all with the new bylaw and that's the flaw in your argument.

Edit: And I do not think being shut down at the time of the infraction is a real possibility at all. And you have failed in every way to show that it is. So in closing, STFU.

 

[Soundstream]

Originally posted by Littlest Hobo
Who's to say a cop doesn't roll into Boa, smells ciggies, and tosses the lot of you into the street after paying $30 at the door?

They won't. The smoking ban is a by-law, and is not under the jurisdiction of the police, but instead the city's by-law enforcers. And the by-law enforcers only have the ability to give you a fine, not shut down an entire club.

Cheers ... Ian

 

[Zorro]

Did you know that by law the police don't legally have to protect you. Strange eh?

 

[starr]

Originally posted by Zorro
The ONLY time System Soundbar use's cups is for Thursday nights. Always been bottles other wise.

yes this rings a bell.

i also somewhat remember that the fight happened on the hip-hop night.

but i think for the week or two after it happened, everything was served in plastic cups. i vaguely recall complaining about it

 

[Littlest Hobo]

Originally posted by starr
I think you are assuming that System or Boa are not going to comply at all with the new bylaw and that's the flaw in your argument.

Complying and what your patrons do are two separate things. It'll be interesting, that's for sure. Maybe I should test the waters once the ban goes into place?

Originally posted by starr
Edit: And I do not think being shut down at the time of the infraction is a real possibility at all. And you have failed in every way to show that it is. So in closing, STFU.

Here I am being civilized, you say these things to try and hurt my feelings. First sign of losing, I guess. You go be a cunt on your own time.

 

[starr]

Originally posted by Littlest Hobo
Complying and what your patrons do are two separate things. It'll be interesting, that's for sure. Maybe I should test the waters once the ban goes into place?

Please do, I'll be thrilled to watch the bouncers throw you out.
Thrilled.

Here I am being civilized, you say these things to try and hurt my feelings. First sign of losing, I guess. You go be a cunt on your own time.

If by civilized you mean perpetuating lies, then i'll agree. Try reading the link I posted. Or what Soundstream said.

 

[Littlest Hobo]

Originally posted by Soundstream
They won't. The smoking ban is a by-law, and is not under the jurisdiction of the police, but instead the city's by-law enforcers. And the by-law enforcers only have the ability to give you a fine, not shut down an entire club.

Cheers ... Ian

When all the anti-rave stuff went on, wasn't that the product of by-laws enacted by city council? Didn't the police have authority to enforce those by-laws?

 

[diablo]

So System has banned somking?

 

[Soundstream]

Originally posted by Littlest Hobo
When all the anti-rave stuff went on, wasn't that the product of by-laws enacted by city council? Didn't the police have authority to enforce those by-laws?

I could take an educated guess, but honestly, that situation is a bit different, since part of the reason that the police were there were to prevent violence and illegal drug use and sales.

So the police could shutdown a party if they had evidence of such activity. But that is their normal powers. The by-law made it mandatory to have the police there in the first place (a certain number of patrons per PDO).

Cheers ... Ian