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Israeli soldier sorry for not shooting Arab

man_slut

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Israeli soldier sorry for not shooting Arab
By Khalid Amayreh
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D342216D-4EA6-4327-9E39-886A10C88C26.htm

Wednesday 31 December 2003, 10:03 Makka Time, 7:03 GMT


Soldier who fired said he thought protesters were all Palestinians

An Israeli soldier who three days ago mistakenly shot and seriously wounded a Jewish demonstrator in the northern West Bank has told interrogators he thought he was shooting a Palestinian, not a Jew.


“I am sorry, I never thought I was shooting at Jews, I would never shoot a Jew,” the soldier reportedly said.

The Israeli victim, Gil Nima’ati, was protesting against the construction of the so-called separation wall near the northern West Bank village of Mis-ha north west of Nablus, along with hundreds of Palestinians and international peace activists.

Another protester, a woman from the US, was also lightly wounded in the shooting which sparked off widespread acrimony and recrimination in Israel because a Jew was shot.

The soldier who pulled the trigger - his identity has not been released - reportedly said he could not recognise the identity of the demonstrators, who were protesting against the construction of the “separation wall” in the northern West Bank.

"The army deals differently with the Palestinians... soldiers feel threatened by Palestinians and open fire when they feel threatened. This is not the same when soldiers deal with Jews"

Unnamed Israeli soldier

“ I thought the protesters were all Palestinians and non-Jews.”

On Tuesday, the Israeli chief of staff and other Israeli officials sought to give the soldier in question the benefit of the doubt, arguing that he would not have opened fire had he known he was shooting at a Jew.

“I am sure, the soldier didn’t know he was shooting at a Jew,” Moshe Ya’alon said in response to a question from a Knesset member.

Shooting Palestinians is "different"

However, when another Knesset member further asked Ya’alon if shooting a Palestinian would have been legitimate under the same circumstances, he sought to dodge the question, arguing that “the army deals differently with the Palestinians.”

“Soldiers feel threatened by Palestinians and open fire when they feel threatened. This is not the same when soldiers deal with Jews.”

Israeli occupation troops have shot and killed hundreds of Palestinians and a number of international activists in controversial circumstances, prompting human rights organisations to accuse the Israeli army of adopting a “shoot-to-kill” policy in the occupied territories.

Earlier this year, the Israeli Hebrew paper Ha’aretz, published a report showing up to 80% of Palestinians killed by the Israeli army since the outbreak of Al-Aqsa Intifada, were either innocent civilians or people who played no role in the hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians.

However, the wanton killings of Palestinian civilians, journalists and international peace activists by the Israeli occupation army arouse little outrage in Israeli society.

Two days ago, a group of Israeli leftists demonstrated in the same area where Na’amati was wounded.
They carried placards reading “first, they shot the Palestinians, and we were silent... ”
 

~atp~

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Yah, but see, you have to treat Palestinians different cuz the probability of them having a bomb strapped to their chest is at least 1.01% higher than with a Jew. So you have to treat em all different. Best just to shoot em.
 

~atp~

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Earlier this year, the Israeli Hebrew paper Ha’aretz, published a report showing up to 80% of Palestinians killed by the Israeli army since the outbreak of Al-Aqsa Intifada, were either innocent civilians or people who played no role in the hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians.
It's all worth it though...for the security of Israel, and God's chosen people.
 

man_slut

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Originally posted by man_slut
Israeli soldier sorry for not shooting Arab
By Khalid Amayreh
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D342216D-4EA6-4327-9E39-886A10C88C26.htm
“I am sure, the soldier didn’t know he was shooting at a Jew,” Moshe Ya’alon said in response to a question from a Knesset member.

Shooting Palestinians is "different"

However, when another Knesset member further asked Ya’alon if shooting a Palestinian would have been legitimate under the same circumstances, he sought to dodge the question, arguing that “the army deals differently with the Palestinians.”

“Soldiers feel threatened by Palestinians and open fire when they feel threatened. This is not the same when soldiers deal with Jews.”
Man oh Man that's some fucked up shit.
 

~atp~

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Re: Re: Israeli soldier sorry for not shooting Arab

Originally posted by man_slut
Man oh Man that's some fucked up shit.

It's amazing, and ironic really. Jews and Arabs alike are Semitic people, speaking a semitic language. They are one race. So it is contradictory (and wrong!) to call this kind of disgusting behaviour as "racist" since then they would be referring to themselves. What it is not, is racism. We could call it simple hatred mixed in with a good dose of discrimination, but that's not entirely accurate either I guess.

And before somebody pulls out the famous "anti-Semite" wildcard, do yourself a favour and understand the meaning of anti-Semitism. ;)



Seriously though, it's time for the media to step up to the fucking plate and balance out the coverage on Israel and Palestine.
 
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Ditto Much

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Originally posted by ~atp~
Yah, but see, you have to treat Palestinians different cuz the probability of them having a bomb strapped to their chest is at least 1.01% higher than with a Jew. So you have to treat em all different. Best just to shoot em.


Well that and the jews didn't declare war on Israel.
 

~atp~

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Originally posted by Ditto Much
Well that and the jews didn't declare war on Israel.
Haha, boy did the Arabs ever make a big fucking mistake in doing that, now that Israel is punishing the little fuckers with some 30 odd years of occupation and continuous oppression! :D
 

derek

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^^^

it's for their safety (yeah right).

what's funny it even some hardline israel's are against the fence. i saw the ex-commander of the navy in an interview, and he said he doesn't care about the palestinians, but the wall will not end the terror. his idea to do that was to ease the oppersion, and give them 'hope' of a better life.


peace,

derek
 
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~atp~

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Originally posted by derek
the wall will not end the terror. his idea to do that was to ease the oppersion, and give them 'hope' of a better life.

Yah, but see, humans've always terrorized, murdered, colonized and oppressed other cultures throughout history in the name of something wholesome-sounding...very rarely would we ever see something like, say, ionno...humanity, lawfulness or intelligence in practice, even though we say that's what we're doing... ;)
 

Deep_Groove

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NEWSFLASH: Palestinian terrorist ecstatic after blowing up a car of Israeli civilians.

But we should be mad at the Israeli soldier shooting at violent protestors who are endandering his life!

UH HUH!

And guys...you're reading a report by AL JAZEERA!!!!

And at the same time asking for "less biased coverage"?

HELLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This is the same network that broadcasts bin Laden's speeches and incitements to jihad, IN FULL, with pride.

If you think Western press slants are bad...this is a network employing journalists with a history of providing actual, material aid to Islamic terrorists (such as in Iraq). I wouldn't be surprised if that "quote by an Israeli soldier" was totally made up.

I know that this part, for one:

Earlier this year, the Israeli Hebrew paper Ha’aretz, published a report showing up to 80% of Palestinians killed by the Israeli army since the outbreak of Al-Aqsa Intifada, were either innocent civilians or people who played no role in the hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians

...is utterly false.





Source: http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=439

- Deep_Groove
 
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Deep_Groove

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OTIS, if you think that source is biased, have a look around the site. There's some very interesting stuff - it's not at all an ideological party line. In fact, I thought that their statistics, which show that ONLY about 55% of Palestinian fatalities were "Combatants" or "Probable Combatants" would provide fuel for YOUR side. (I thought it would be more like 80 or 90%) But then again, we know how the terrorists LOVE to use their children as human shields... Whatever...

Here's an article entitled: "The Threat of Jewish Terrorism in Israel"

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=45

Here's one entitled: "Defining Terrorism: Is One Man’s Terrorist Another Man’s Freedom Fighter?"

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/researchdet.cfm?researchid=4

Here's a list of all known major terrorist organizations worldwide and short descriptions of them:

http://www.ict.org.il/organizations/org_frame.htm

I especially like their very concise breakdown of every single casualty in the past 15 years of the Arab-Israeli conflict...with names, places of residence, type of incident, etc.:

http://www.ict.org.il/arab_isr/mideast_attacksearch_frame.htm

Just set the parameters and search away.

I ask you: would mere propagandists go to so much trouble to seem so detailed and comprehensive on subjects OTHER than Palestinian terrorism?

- Deep_Groove
 

OTIS

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You're daft. Whether it's biased or not could make me care less, the point is that YOU DON'T think it's potentially biased, and expect people to go rifling through your links despite their ominous source. Yet you're so quick to defame Al-Jazeera just because it goes against your racial biases. You continually walk the path of a hypocrite, and most of your comments border racism. I would ideally like to afford you some courtesy and actually follow up on your links, but you repeatedly sidestep any opportunity to curb your racism, or even afford the same benefit of the doubt to any source that doesn’t fall in line with your fanaticism.
 

man_slut

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19 left dead in failed hunt for master bomber

19 left dead in failed hunt for master bomber

Chris McGreal in Nablus
Friday January 9, 2004
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1119104,00.html

In a three-week occupation of the biggest Palestinian city the Israeli army has killed 19 people, wrecked dozens of buildings and confined tens of thousands to their homes in a futile search for the leader of "the heart of the terror networks".
Before Christmas soldiers flooded Nablus and the neighbouring refugee camp of Balata in pursuit of the leaders of al-Aqsa martyrs brigades responsible for organising dozens of suicide bombings. Top of their list was Naif Sharekh, the brigades commander in the city.

Soldiers brandished Mr Sharakh's picture and deman ded to know his whereabouts. His wife was paraded in an army jeep through the casbah and forced to call over a megaphone for her husband to surrender.

In Balata the search focused on three al-Aqsa brigades leaders. Soldiers again brandished pictures and threatened anyone hiding the men. But none was found

"They wound up killing all these people and destroying all these houses and they didn't get any of the ones they were really looking for," said Taysir Naserallah, head of Yasser Arafat's Fatah organisation in Nablus.

"Naif Sharekh is still out there. That has provided people with a quiet satisfaction for all their misery."

The Israeli army commander in Nablus, who declines to be named, said the raid on the city of 180,000 people was prompted by intelligence that three or four suicide bombers were preparing to leave to attack Israelis.

"Nablus is the hottest and most dangerous town. Most of the suicide bombers, most of the bombs, most of the ammunition, are in Nablus," he said. "The ones you hear about are the ones that explode. Every day there are ones you don't hear about.

"That is why the people in Nablus are suffering. When there are a lot of alerts, the people of Nablus suffer more. When there are fewer alerts, the people of Nablus suffer less."

The army said the Christmas Day suicide bomb that killed four people near Tel Aviv proved its point. The Palestinians said that attack came after the raid on Nablus began. There had been no bombings for almost three months.

The Israelis have killed nearly 400 Palestinians in Nablus during the present intifada, many of them armed men. The latest dead include three teenagers who were shot stoning troops or dropping concrete blocks from high-rise buildings, according to the army. Among them was Amjad al-Masri, 15, who was killed on Saturday.

One of Amjad's cousins, Mohammed al-Masri, 18, helped to carry the boy's body at the funeral. As the procession wound through the town, an army sniper shot Mohammed in the head.

He died in hospital. The army said he was killed while breaking the curfew. Abdul al-Qassa, a curtain-maker, is the most recent to die.

Soldiers surrounded his house on Tuesday in search for Ibrahim Attari, an al-Aqsa member, and ordered everyone out.

The army said it shot Mr Attari dead as he stepped out of the house because he was seen to have had a gun. It said soldiers spotted Mr Qassa hiding behind a bush and killed him because they thought he might have a gun. He was not armed.

But witnesses say that after Mr Attari was shot, Mr Qassa was dragged forward by the soldiers and confronted with the wanted man.

"The soldiers kept asking him: 'Who is that man? What is he doing in your house?'" said one of Mr Qassa's neighbours, Amra Sadija.

"He kept saying: 'I don't know him.'"

Mr Qassa's brother Mustafa alleges that an Israeli soldier then shot him in cold blood.

"I saw it myself. When my brother wouldn't identify Ibra him they shot him in the ankle, ribs and mouth.

They left him there to bleed to death and arrested all of us," he said.

The army wrecked about 50 homes, blowing up some and severely damaging others.

Nablus is used to hardship. It endured more than six months of curfew in 2002.

But its mayor, Ghassan Shakah, says the killing of unarmed people and the brutality of the searches only bolsters support for the likes of Naif Sharekh.

He suspects that Israel's prime minister knows it. "Sharon is deliberately trying to provoke attacks so he can tell the world: Look at the terrorism. But who does the terrorism benefit?"

· The Israeli soldier arrested for shooting a British peace activist left brain dead had been charged with using drugs while on active duty. The unnamed soldier was charged with 10 other members of his unit two months ago for allegedly smoking cannabis while serving in Gaza.

The soldier admitted lying about the circumstances in which he shot Tom Hurndall in the head as Mr Hurndall tried to protect children from Israeli gunfire in Gaza. Mr Hurndall is in a persistent vegetative state in a London hospital.
 
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