(Not baiting, just curious. )And he even questioned why the American intelligence services did not do more to stop the 11 September attacks - asking: "Why have various aspects of the attacks been kept secret?"
Boss Hog said:It's a pretty legitimate question... one that anyone with a brain should be asking if not at the time, at least since so much other information has come out. The official report's response to it is pretty laughable.
As a matter of fact we do:Ditto Much said:all official reports are pretty laughable.
Do we have an actual copy of this letter, I'd love to give it a read.
That is an absolutely brilliant piece of political manouevering. What does Bush do now? Deny he's a Chrisitian and say 'f-you'? Does he respond to the letter at all? How can he now go about and bomb this believer in God?man_slut said:
Good point. Even though his views are pretty bizarre (to put it mildly) he's extended the olive branch of dialogue, pretty much calling out the Americans to be the aggressors.Genesius said:That is an absolutely brilliant piece of political manouevering. What does Bush do now? Deny he's a Chrisitian and say 'f-you'? Does he respond to the letter at all? How can he now go about and bomb this believer in God?
I think this is an excellent appeal to the American and really global public. I really really hope Bush responds.
Keep in mind, to the average 'believer' his views are not so bizarre (maybe except for the Jew thing). Any religious person will view the dialogue as normal 'God talk' and he has some good points about what Bush believes vs. what he practices. Although, who knows how the US public will respond...Lurker said:Good point. Even though his views are pretty bizarre (to put it mildly) he's extended the olive branch of dialogue, pretty much calling out the Americans to be the aggressors.
Exactly. i hope, though severely doubt, that the US public takes the time to read the letter and think about it for themselves. Will this happen? Not fucking likely. Add to that, you'll have congressmen and senators up for re-election pushing their own views on this letter down their consituents throats with their own personal spin on it.Genesius said:Keep in mind, to the average 'believer' his views are not so bizarre (maybe except for the Jew thing). Any religious person will view the dialogue as normal 'God talk' and he has some good points about what Bush believes vs. what he practices. Although, who knows how the US public will respond...
It seems like you are siding with the Americans in that you beleive Iran doesn't deserve the sovereignty to develope thier own technology?SellyCat said:The point of all this is that Iran is aggressively milking their strategic position by going for an all-fronts propaganda offensive against the USA. That's why they're talking all this shit about the Holocaust, Jews, Zionism and the rest of that "begging to be bombed" stuff that seems so insane to us. They're doing it to humiliate the USA and show how Iran is powerful enough to say whatever they want, enrich as much Uranium as they want, and thumb their nose at the so-called 'international community' as they want, all while America is incapable of stopping them.
SellyCat said:So the price for attacking Iran will be exceedingly high.
I actually didn't say anything about their right to develop that technology. Either way--regardless of one's position--it remains true that they are thumbing their nose at the international community (or rather, "The West") who clearly don't think Iran should develop nukes. Obviously the position is hypocritical since all these nations are fucking armed to the teeth with atomic weapons. "Brissling" with them--I think deafplayer used that term once and I liked it a lot.man_slut said:It seems like you are siding with the Americans in that you beleive Iran doesn't deserve the sovereignty to develope thier own technology?
Do you really think Iran is going to cause a lot of covert wars/killings now that they are in the eyes of the world?
Onthereals said:I found this interesting. Recently I have been reading VS Naipauls book on his travels through Iran, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia. Basically, its an interesting book that takes an elitist western perspective on the islamic culture.
Anyways, the book was published way back in 1981, and when he went to Iran it was 6 months into the revolution. What was interesting is how he mentioned that under the Shah, there was a nuclear energy program underway with a german firm, but that it was left uncompleted after the revolution. So its funny how the western world had no problem with Iran developing nuclear energy under the Shah, ( of course because he was US sponsered, no matter how terrible he was) but when now Iran wants to do it its a big deal. What would have happened if the Shah had stuck around long enough to develop nuclear energy and then the revolution had happened? Well the discussion would be completely different today. Anyways it shows how the concern over Iran getting nuclear weapons is complete propaganda.
It also gives the concern shades of being upset about a islamic nation getting nuclear technology. which further inflames the christian vs muslim deal
ooops, one hell of a typoSellyCat said:Also....did someone refer to me as a she? I am not a she. I am very much a he!
i have to disagree with you.Shug said:What I find interesting is the "Cult of Personality" that the western media is fostering for Ahmadinejad.
Prior to a few months ago, you'd be hard pressed to find a pic of the Iranian President in the accompanying stories regarding Iran - even if the article or story took direct quotes or had direct involvement with him. And this was even as the initial stages of the enrichment shit was going down.
Now, every article that has anything to do with Iran in any way has a full-on face pic, or face forward waist-up pic of him pointing, shouting, or something else having equally forceful body language. I mean, doesn't this guy ever, like, iono... sit down and read a book, or shake hands and smile with someone?
It's almost as if the media is telling me, "THIS is the man you should hate. LOOK. He's eeeeevvvvil. Here he is... He hates you. Doesn't his close-together eyes and scruffy beard make him look both evil and inbred? LOOK! He's pointing and shouting! He's SO EVIL! Hate him! Don't you hate him yet? Look at him try to wear suits like he likes democracy or something! He's so scary, he must be a crazy man!"