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Iran Says It Is Making Nuclear Fuel, Defying U.N.

docta seuss

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TEHRAN, April 11 — Iran announced Tuesday that its nuclear engineers had advanced to a new phase in the enrichment of uranium, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and a series of the country's ruling clerics declared that the nation would now speed ahead, in defiance of a United Nations Security Council warning, to produce nuclear fuel on an industrial scale.
"Iran has joined the nuclear countries of the world," Mr. Ahmadinejad said during a large, carefully staged and nationally televised celebration in Mashhad, which included video presentations of each step of the nuclear process that he declared Iran had mastered. "The nuclear fuel cycle at the laboratory level has been completed, and uranium with the desired enrichment for nuclear power plants was achieved."
The White House, which has charged that Iran is secretly trying to develop fuel for nuclear weapons, at first reacted mildly to the announcement, saying Iran was "moving in the wrong direction." But later in the day it sounded a more ominous tone, with the National Security Council announcing that the United States would work with the United Nations Security Council "to deal with the significant threat posed by the regime's efforts to acquire nuclear weapons."
Outside experts said that while the country appears to have passed a milestone — one it has approached before with smaller-scale enrichment of uranium — the announcement may have had less to do with an engineering feat than with carefully timed political theater intended to convince the West that the program is unstoppable.
The declaration comes at a time of intense speculation in Washington that preliminary plans are advancing to take military action against Iran's nuclear sites if diplomacy fails, an idea Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld dismissed Tuesday as "fantasy land."
The director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, is scheduled to arrive in Tehran on Wednesday to make another appeal for Iran to halt its enrichment program and avoid a confrontation with the West. Iranian officials said Dr. ElBaradei would face a changed situation, and American officials said they suspected that Iran's strategy is to portray its effort as a fait accompli.
The news came as another major setback for the European nations that have pressed for three years to persuade Iran to halt its fuel production program, and for President Bush. On Monday, Mr. Bush repeated that his "stated goal" was that "we do not want the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon, the capacity to make a nuclear weapon, or the knowledge as to how to make a nuclear weapon."
For that reason, he has opposed allowing Iran to enrich uranium, even though Iran has signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and has the right to produce fuel for nuclear power reactors.
If the Iranian declaration is correct, the enrichment and what appear to be rudimentary bomb-making documents that international inspectors have found in Iran suggest Iranians may now have most of the knowledge that Mr. Bush has sought to deny them.
At the least, they appear poised to be able eventually to expand enrichment on an industrial scale and, if they are determined to do so, enrich the uranium to levels necessary for an atomic weapon. But so far the quantities that the country has produced appear to be minuscule, and the enrichment level announced today — 3.5 percent — would work for producing power, not warheads.
International inspectors are stationed at Iran's main enrichment facility at Natanz, and presumably will be able to confirm or refute Iranian claims in coming days, assuming they have access to centrifuges.
Centrifuges are devices whose rotors spin very rapidly to enrich, or concentrate, a rare form of uranium known as uranium 235, which can then be used to fuel nuclear reactors or atom bombs. The 164 centrifuges Iran said it has strung together in a cascade are enough to test the technology, but with such a small number would take years to produce enough uranium for even one weapon.
"This 164 machines is more industrial," said a European diplomat who monitors Iran's program and spoke on the condition of anonymity. "But still, it's not like they haven't come close to achieving this in the past."
Despite claims on Tuesday of an enrichment breakthrough, Iran has in the past seven years repeatedly used centrifuges and lasers to enrich uranium, according to reports by the nuclear agency. But the amounts have apparently been small and the setups experimental.
Mr. Ahmadinejad reiterated that Iran's nuclear program was being developed for industrial and power purposes alone, and said his country "does not get its strength from nuclear arsenals."
But he did his best to turn the development to political advantage.
"I declare at this historic moment, with the blessings of God almighty and the efforts of our scientists, that we have mastered the nuclear fuel cycle on a laboratory scale and on Sunday our young scientists have produced enriched uranium required for nuclear plants," Mr. Ahmadinejad said.
"Access to the nuclear fuel cycle is a national demand and our people have repeatedly stressed that they want to have it."
His speech, given before a mural of doves in flight and a motto in English, was bracketed by recitations from the Koran and followed by chants of "God is Great."
Before he spoke, a small parade of men in traditional costumes danced as a thin silver box said to contain the first enriched uranium was carried to the stage. An announcer said the box would be preserved at a museum.
State-run television repeatedly showed footage of scientists in white uniforms working in what seemed to be a nuclear facility.
Mr. Ahmadinejad was careful to position Iran as operating within the existing proliferation rules, saying his country's nuclear activities have been "under complete, unprecedented" supervision by the atomic energy agency.
But he did not mention that he has restricted the access of those inspectors to some sites in recent months, and that inspectors have yet to receive explanations of the documents that appear to have bomb designs, or an explanation of the centrifuge equipment and designs the country bought in the mid-1990's from Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani nuclear engineer who helped start Iran's program.
Mr. Ahmadinejad said Iran would continue to allow inspectors to watch its progress. "Today we are interested to operate under I.A.E.A. supervision what has been achieved," he said. "And what is going to be achieved in the future is within the framework of the rights of the nation."
David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security, a private research group in Washington, said that the announcement had been expected, but that the quantities of enriched uranium were probably small.
"They need to learn a lot more to produce it in significant quantities and they need to build a lot more centrifuges," he said.
Dr. ElBaradei is required to report back to the Security Council by April 28 on whether Iran has acceded to the demand late last month that it shut down its facilities within 30 days. One senior European diplomat said that in Iran, Dr. ElBaradei will "argue that they've gotten to enrichment, so it's time to shut the process down, and end the problem."
The question of whether Iran has the right to continue nuclear research has been at the heart of the conflict between Iran and the United States and its European allies this year. Iran rejected a Russian offer to enrich uranium in Russia for an Iranian nuclear plant because the deal would not allow any nuclear activity in Iran.
 
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Shug

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That impatient for big boom booms and this season's "America's Next Top Regime to be Toppled", eh?
 
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Ditto Much

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I'm confused, I thought Russia sent them a centrefuge in a box plant back in 2002 and it had already been successfully tested as early as 2004.

Ive kind of changed views on this one. Its reasonable to assume that Pakistan has provided Saudi Arabia with a ready to launch war head. Israel is expected to have somewhere between 200-400 I really just don't see a problem with Iran being a balance of power.
 

Shug

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You think this whole thing is actually about Iran getting nuclear weapons? I thought you were intelligent.

Btw, 3% LEU (reactor fuel) and 85%+ HEU (weapons grade) is a huge gap in nuclear industry. The media and the US-UK administration is treating this as if they're going to start lobbing nukes over to Isreal tomorrow.

North Korea and Pakistan could both be considered rogue states... and yet... we never hear a peep about them, do we?
 

Ditto Much

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Shug said:
You think this whole thing is actually about Iran getting nuclear weapons?

Btw, 3% LEU (reactor fuel) and 85%+ HEU (weapons grade) is a huge gap in nuclear industry. The media and the US-UK administration is treating this as if they're going to start lobbing nukes over to Isreal tomorrow.

North Korea and Pakistan could both be considered rogue states... and yet... we never hear a peep about them, do we?

Iran isn't planning to use this for energy, for them its purely about having the ability to produce weapons grade enriched uranium. Your correct in that we're talking a huge difference in LEU and HEU however its a matter of how many times you send it through a gas centrifuge, thus if you prove you can manufacture A you prove that you can manufacture B.




Shug said:
I thought you were intelligent.


People seriously stop questioning each others intelligence and intent. We're all sounding like a bunch of 12 year olds arguing over who's dad can be who's dad up. If you don't agree with something state it and your reason why you don't agree but this calling each other stupid is just below us.
 

Shug

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Ditto Much said:
Iran isn't planning to use this for energy, for them its purely about having the ability to produce weapons grade enriched uranium. Your correct in that we're talking a huge difference in LEU and HEU however its a matter of how many times you send it through a gas centrifuge, thus if you prove you can manufacture A you prove that you can manufacture B.

There is no way for you or anyone else to know what Iran's intents are. Let's stick to objective facts.

And the scope of the centrifuge system increases non-linearly from LEU to HEU... whereas to make 3% takes a 40-60 unit cascade... to make HEU it can take a 1500+ unit cascade. And how long has it taken Iran just to nail down 3%? If they're already going into production, then it's a semi-safe bet that they'll pull back and remain at LEU, if they're rushing into production before nailing down HEU. Let's not knee-jerk. Let's also remember that everything they've been doing so far is perfectly legal under the NPT.
 
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Ditto Much

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Shug said:
There is no way for you or anyone else to know what Iran's intents are. Let's stick to objective facts.

Sure they currently have the ability and have had the ability for decades to produce electricity using nuclear power. They have yet to use nuclear reactors to produce power, in fact Iran flares its natural gas rather than using it to produce power a complete waste of resource and environmentally irrerponsible.

Iran was offered reactor grade enriched uranium from Russia on very open terms. Nothing in there behaviour points to a legitimate use for this everything points to bomb. But your right they have never stated this is a bomb so if thats the requirement of 'fact' then we're a mystery.

Just as an aside India conducted each of its nuclear tests under the guise of 'Mining' thus there nuclear devices aren't bombs they are backo's!!

According to 'facts' Israel doesn't have a bomb.

Shug said:
And the scope of the centrifuge system increases non-linearly from LEU to HEU... whereas to make 3% takes a 40-60 unit cascade... to make HEU it can take a 1500+ unit cascade. And how long has it taken Iran just to nail down 3%? If they're already going into production, then it's a semi-safe bet that they'll pull back and remain at LEU, if they're rushing into production before nailing down HEU. Let's not knee-jerk. Let's also remember that everything they've been doing so far is perfectly legal under the NPT.

The Iranian plan is to take there 154 centrifuge unit and produce a 50,000 unit one according to the BBC. However if you can do the one you have proven your ability to do the other the only difference being time and materials. There is no difference in producing light versus heavy other than the number of times through the system in chain.

Which reactors do they plan to use this Uranium in?
 

Shug

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We're arguing our asides, while we agree on the main points. (Quick, look that way! :p)

The West (well, the US Admin) only obstensibly cares if Iran gets the bomb. It's being used as a trigger, nothing more. My point, before we started throwing numbers at each other, is that your original question is rhetorical, whether you intended it or not.

Shit's gonna get fucked up, yo. Fasten your seatbelt.

(I just realized that the ad hominems come from the fact that I post a lot on TR and purerave. :p Smilies are included in that, too. ^_^ Kekekekekekekeke )
 

Big Harv

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TEHRAN, Iran - The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.

"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

On Friday, he repeated his previous line on the Holocaust, saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of this region pay the price? Why does the Palestinian nation have to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"

The land of Palestine, he said, referring to the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, "will be freed soon."

He did not say how this would be achieved, but insisted to the audience of at least 900 people: "Believe that Palestine will be freed soon."

"The existence of this (Israeli) regime is a permanent threat" to the Middle East, he added. "Its existence has harmed the dignity of Islamic nations."

The three-day conference on Palestine is being attended by officials of Hamas, the ruling party in the Palestinian territories.

Iran has previously said it will give money to the Palestinian Authority to make up for the withdrawal of donations by Western nations who object to Hamas' refusal to recognize Israel and renounce violence. But no figure has been published.

On Tuesday, Ahmadinejad announced that Iran had successfully enriched uranium using a battery of 164 centrifuges, a significant step toward the large-scale production of enriched uranium required for either fueling nuclear reactors or making nuclear weapons.

The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.

The U.N. Security Council has given Iran until April 28 to cease enrichment. But Iran has rejected the demand.

The chief of Israeli military intelligence, Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin, was quoted Wednesday as saying Iran could develop a nuclear bomb "within three years, by the end of the decade."
 

atbell

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The crapy raidio station out here (one of those animal affiliates, The Fox I think) that wakes me up in the morning had an Iran jab today. Said how Mahmoud Ahmadinejad got a cell phone company CEO fired for a text message sent to him that he didn't like. This could be true, but it sounds completely fucking trivial for someone contemplating nuking another country.

What I don't like is how it really makes me think that someone / group of someones has decided to crank up some anti-iran talk on raidio stations that are normaly deviod of ANY news from outside the province, let alone out side the country.
 
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