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did you type spychological on purpose?

'cause...maybe she's working on a big case.


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Originally posted by Jessica P
Oh, my...
I found that, quite honestly, terrifying.

Yes...kinda like when I see pictures of insanely obese people. I think, how the hell do you let it all go like that.
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Originally posted by Rocky
Yes...kinda like when I see pictures of insanely obese people. I think, how the hell do you let it all go like that.

not everyone is spit shining perfect like you pal.


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Originally posted by Rocky

You've got issues. Deal with them.

and you're a prententious pretty boy moron.

read on idiot.

Obesity. Is it an eating disorder?

Like most things, obesity is a complex phenomenon about which it is dangerous to generalize. What is true for one person is not necessarily true for the next. Nevertheless, we shall try to make sense out of conflicting theories and give answers to people who struggle to maintain self-esteem in a world that seems to be obsessed with youth, thinness, and the perfect body -- whatever that may be.

What is obesity?
A person with anorexia nervosa may define obesity as a weight gain of five pounds, from 89 to 94. A grandmother past menopause may call herself obese because she carries 165 pounds on her large-boned, muscular body. A modeling agency may talk about obesity when one of the women on the payroll puts 135 pounds on her 5'10" body.

None of these women is clinically obese. The anorexic and the model are underweight.

Men are split in their personal definitions of obesity. Many are just as concerned about overweight as women are, while others, frankly rotund, believe they are just fine, perfectly healthy, and universally attractive to potential romantic partners.

Physicians consider a person to obese if s/he weighs more than 20% above expected weight for age, height, and body build. Morbid or malignant obesity is weight in excess of 100 pounds above that expected for age, height, and build.

In recent years, the definition of expected, or healthy, weight has expanded to include more pounds per height in view of research that links reduced mortality (longer lives) with more weight than is currently considered fashionable.

How many Americans are obese?
A 1999 study reported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicates that sixty-one percent of adults in the U.S. are overweight. A breakdown of that figure shows that thirty-five percent are slightly or moderately overweight, and that twenty-six percent are obese or grossly overweight. In addition, about thirteen percent of U.S. children are overweight or obese.

Another government study published in October, 2002 indicates that thirty-one percent of the American public is obese. It further suggested that fifteen percent of young people between 6 and 19 are seriously overweight. Even ten percent of toddlers between 2 and 5 are seriously overweight. The study appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association (10/9/02).

A more recent study indicates that about 31 percent of American teenage girls and 28 percent of boys are somewhat overweight. An additional 15 percent of American teen girls and nearly 14 percent of teen boys are obese. (Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine, January 2004) Causes include fast food, snacks with high sugar and fat content, use of automobiles, increased time spent in front of TV sets and computers, and a generally more sedentary lifestyles than slimmer peers.

The prevalence of overweight and obesity is increasing in all major socioeconomic and ethnic groups, including children and younger adults between 25 and 44. (David Sacher, U.S. Surgeon General, December 2001)

What are the causes of obesity?
Consumption of more calories than are burned through work, exercise, and other activities. In the late 1990s, Americans ate about 340 more calories per day than they did in the mid-1980s, and about 500 more calories per day than in the 1950s. The extra food was often some kind of refined carbohydrate (white flour or sugar) combined with fat, saturated fat in the unhealthiest cases. (University of California Wellness Letter, January 2002)

Inexpensive, tasty, plentiful food and a combination of passive leisure pursuits, sedentary lifestyle, TV, and other "activities" that require little or no physical effort.

Attempts to numb or escape emotional pain and distress. For various emotional reasons, including loneliness and depression, some people eat when their bodies do not need food. For more information about compulsive eating or binge eating disorder, click here.

Diets and prolonged caloric restriction. When people try to make the body thinner than it is genetically programmed to be, it retaliates by becoming ravenous and vulnerable to binge eating. Ninety-eight percent of dieters regain all the weight they manage to lose, plus about 10 extra pounds, within five years. Yo-yo dieting repeats the cycle of weight loss followed by ever-increasing weight gain when hunger ultimately wins.

Some individuals are obese because of specific biological problems such as malfunctioning thyroid or pituitary glands. Others may have physical problems or disabilities that severely limit or prohibit exercise, strenuous work, and other physical activity.

Studies published in the New England Journal of Medicine (March 2003) indicate that certain genetic processes are an important and powerful underlying factor in the development of obesity and binge eating.

In addition, new research suggests that there is a biological link between stress and the drive to eat. Comfort foods -- high in sugar, fat, and calories -- seem to calm the body's response to chronic stress. In addition, hormones produced when one is under stress encourage the formation of fat cells. In Westernized countries life tends to be competitive, fast paced, demanding, and stressful. There may be a link between so-called modern life and increasing rates of overeating, overweight, and obesity. (Study to be published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Author is Mary Dallman, professor of physiology, University of California at San Francisco [2003].)

Researchers believe that in most cases obesity represents a complex relationship between genetic, psychological, physiological, metabolic, socioeconomic, lifestyle, and cultural factors.

Miscellaneous factors.
The children of overweight parents are more likely to be overweight than the children of thin parents.

If friends and family members offer comfort in the form of food, people will learn to deal with painful feelings by eating instead of using more effective strategies.

Poor folks tend to be fatter than the affluent.

People living in groups that frequently celebrate and socialize at get-togethers featuring tempting food tend to be fatter than those who do not.

Some individuals eat great quantities of food, exercise moderately or not at all, and never seem to gain weight. Others walk past a bakery and gain ten pounds. No two people are the same, and no two obesity profiles are identical.

Health risks associated with obesity
Hypertension. (High blood pressure, a contributor to stroke and heart disease). Overweight young people (20-45) have a six times higher incidence of hypertension than do peers who are normal weight. Older obese folks seem to be at even greater risk.

Diabetes. Even moderate obesity, especially when the extra fat is carried in the stomach and abdomen (instead of hips and thighs), increases the risk of non-insulin dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM) ten-fold.

Cardiovascular disease. Both the degree of obesity and the location of fat deposits contribute to the potential for heart and blood vessel disease. The fatter the person, the higher the risk. People who carry extra weight in the trunk area (stomach and abdomen) are at higher risk than folks who store fat in hips and thighs.

Cancer. Obese men are at elevated risk of developing cancer of the colon, rectum, and prostate. Obese women are at elevated risk of developing cancer of the breast, cervix, uterus, and ovaries.

Endocrine problems. Irregular menstrual cycles; other menstrual problems; and pregnancy complications, especially toxemia and hypertension. Hormone imbalances of various kinds may contribute to, or be the result of, obesity.

Gall bladder disease. Obese women 20-30 years old are at six times greater risk of gall bladder disease than their normal-weight peers. By age 60 almost one-third of obese women will have developed gall bladder disease.

Lung and breathing problems. Obesity can impede the muscles that inflate and ventilate the lungs. Obese individuals may have to work hard to get enough air and over time may not be able to take in the oxygen needed by all body cells.

Arthritis. Obese individuals are at increased risk of developing gouty arthritis, a distressingly painful disorder. In addition, excess weight stresses vulnerable joints, in particular the back and knee, which may develop osteoarthritis, a mechanical rather than metabolic problem.

Premature death. Research indicates that obese people die sooner than their normal weight peers.

Other problems associated with obesity
Sleep disturbances, including sleep apnea (breathing stops for several seconds; then the person rouses, gasps, and struggles to catch breath. Episodes may continue through the night)

Inability to fully participate in recreational activities

Inability to compete effectively in sports and athletics; being picked last, or not at all, for team sports

Inability to perform some jobs; reduced job opportunities

Prejudice and discrimination in school and the workplace

Restricted social opportunities

Restricted opportunities for romantic relationships

Low self-esteem and body-image problems, related at least in part to prejudice and discrimination encountered in school, at work, and in social settings.

One important piece of good news
Obese people do not seem to have any more psychological problems, or more serious psychological problems, than folks of normal weight. The problems they do have are more likely a consequence of prejudice and discrimination than a cause of overweight. In fact, several studies have suggested that the obese are significantly less anxious and depressed than normal-weight peers.

What can be done about obesity?
The simplistic answer: eat less and exercise more.

The realistic answer:
Work with a physician to identify and correct any underlying medical, biological, or metabolic problems contributing to excess weight.

Check with a counselor to see if you are using food for a purpose food cannot fulfill: love, comfort, escape, an antidote to boredom, and so forth. If you are self-medicating with food, work with the therapist to come up with better ways of managing stress, painful emotions, and problems.

Don't ever diet or restrict calories when you are legitimately hungry. If you do, you will set yourself up to binge later.

Eat normal, reasonable, moderate amounts of healthy foods. Emphasize fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. Don't cut out sweets and fats completely. If you do, you will crave and sneak them. Besides, your body needs the nutrients found in fats and carbohydrates. Just don't overdo it.

Most important: Exercise consistently. Get regular amounts of moderate, self-loving exercise. Start with a few minutes of walking and slowly extend the time until you can do 30-60 minutes a day, 3-5 days a week. If you haven't exercised in a while, be sure to check with your doctor first.

Find a support system. Friends are great; so are support groups. There are both online and in-person opportunities. Check our Links page for suggestions.

Be gentle and realistic with yourself. If everyone in your family is round and sturdy, chances are you will never be a super model -- but you can be happy and healthy. Also remember that healthy, realistic weight loss takes time. Losing one-half to one pound a week isn't very glamorous, but if you go any faster, you will make yourself hungry, and hunger will inevitably make you overeat.

How about diet pills and other weight-loss products? Surgery?
Over-the-counter products. There are many items in drugstores and health food stores that claim to help people lose weight. None seem to be both safe and effective. The ones that are effective are only minimally so, and they have significant side effects and health risks. The ones that are safe don't seem to be very effective in helping folks lose weight and keep it off. Think about it: if there really were a safe and effective weight loss product available over the counter, everyone in the United States would be thin. Our best advice: save your money.

Prescription medications. In spite of a tremendous amount of research, there still is no magic pill that melts pounds away effortlessly. Obese people and their physicians had great hope for fen-phen, a combination stimulant and antidepressant, but those hopes were dashed when some of the people taking it developed potentially fatal heart problems. New medications are available, and more are in the pipeline. Talk to your doctor about their pros and cons. For the time being at least, the steps outlined above in the section titled "What Can Be Done About Obesity" seem to be the safest and most effective way of reducing excess weight.

Surgery. For some obese people, gastric bypass (and stomach stapling and related techniques) may be a lifesaving measure. The procedure is major surgery and is associated with risk of significant side effects and complications. For this reason it should be considered a treatment of last resort. Also, to be successful, the patient must cooperate with an entirely new way of eating and managing food. If nothing else has worked for you, and if your medical situation warrants such a drastic approach, talk to your physician to see if you might be a candidate for this procedure.
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Wow...that's a good one. I've never heard that one before. Did you think of that by yourself. Or did you copy and paste that one, too?
Originally posted by Rocky
Yes...kinda like when I see pictures of insanely obese people. I think, how the hell do you let it all go like that.

I wonder if people who are ignorant or stupid feel like their constantly high.

Think you can shed some light on it?

As for the issues comment, pot kettle black.
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That house is scarry. I will give the mother some credit though because at least things look somewhat organised and not completely unhiegenic.

When I was in high school I had a friend that would always come over to my house to hang out then one day it was decided that we would go chill at his place.

His house was far worse then that one. It was rancid! 1 dog and 2 cats that all went to the bathroom inside (the cats never had a litter box). The male cat was in heat and would spray everywhere. . I was sprayed! nothing would ever get washed. Dirty dishes were stacked everywhere in the house. There was milk, yogurt and slop rotting on the floor, counter and cuboards in the kitchen. In the bathroom the toliet was more of a general guidline of where one should urinate. downstairs there was a montain of clothes that reached 2/3 of the way to the ceiling; this is where they kept dirty clothes. There were no walking paths to be found anywhere in the house, in order to get anywhere one had to really think and plot thier jumps and leaps with car cause one miscalculation would see you face down in a heap of garbage. I don't know if I have the stamina to mention the fleas and cockroaches and other assorted bugs I came across. . yeah I don't. it's done.

I could go on but what's the point? My final shot will be that after I was inside that house I later happened to catch an episode of oprah called "america's dirtest homes". These homes shocked and horrified everyone, everyone except me. For I've scene far, far worse.
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^ yeah...when I was 17 I rented a basement apartment in my friend's mom's house. It wasn't as bad as the one that was posted, but it was a shithole. They also conveniently place the cat's litterbox in one of the storage rooms in the basement, so I smelled cat shit all the time.

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Holy shit!

that's insane.

I thought the crazy asshole who lived across the street from me when we lived in Markham (i live in unionville now) was bad.

He had 5 dead Volvo's in his driveway, with a 6th in the garage, but you wouldn't know cause it was full of newspapers and other junk. In and around some of the volvo's were jerry cans that bulged with the vapours in them.
The fire department FINALLY went in there for an inspection back in 1999... after everyone on the street had been complaining since 1986.


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My parents are both that crazy. It's 4,000 sq ft of decorative bottles, newspapers and sweatshirts from ValueVillage. And 11 acres of goldenrods.
I don't go home anymore cause my bedroom is filled with vases.

Our front door handle broke off a few years ago and my dad fashioned a new one out of yellow twine.
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Obviously an extreme case of the common practice of one validating one's existence by what one acquires/consumes.



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ya, but ... they're all worth something. seriously - those glass ball paper weights, the glass buttplugs (or "telephone pole insulators"), those books .... and the expired boxes of lucky charms.

she's sittin' on a gold mine there. too bad it's all gonna cave in on her eventually.


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clutter drives me crazy.

I think I'm the opposite of a pack rat. I can't stand to have stuff just sitting around. Everything needs to be in its place or I can't relzx and feel comfortable.
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