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hypothetical question: if you.....

Mr_Furious

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if you put 50 people on a deserted island....do you think they would evolved in the same fashion that we did after 2002 years?

discuss....
 

PosTMOd

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A system produced from the same initial conditions won't necessarily have the same self-organization, and thusly won't necessarily have the same output as prior ones.

Think of ideas, etc, as the output of a large self-organized thing: society and/or its constituent groupings are necessary, but how they are organized now is the result of chaotic, and thus largely unpredictable, forces.
 
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joey

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well, do they have fabric, and sewing machines, and like thread and stuff?

just how big is the island?

will they ever get off the island?

are there any cats on the island?

cause if not then you can count me out...
 

TaCk OnE?

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yes, theyd be very much the same physically....I mean, very little evolutiinoary changes have ocured since the death of christ.

their culture, language, and whatnot would totally be different, but they wouldn't be some strange species of people.

that's absolute.
 
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Mr_Furious

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Originally posted by PosTMOd
A system produced from the same initial conditions won't necessarily have the same self-organization, and thusly won't necessarily have the same output as prior ones.

Think of ideas, etc, as the output of a large self-organized thing: society and/or its constituent groupings are necessary, but how they are organized now is the result of chaotic, and thus largely unpredictable, forces.

so basically your saying it could go either way....

but I wanna hear what you think and why?

I couldn't even grasp the concept of making something from nothing, so i'd probably die if I was alone.

I think i've become too reliant on machines.
 

PosTMOd

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Originally posted by MoFo
^^^
...such as fate. :D

No, since in my hypothetical chaotic system, one cannot extrapolate individual behaviours from the aggregate (or gestalt, but I've grown tired of that word).
 

MoFo

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Originally posted by joey
well, do they have fabric, and sewing machines, and like thread and stuff?


Yeah, if an Industrial Revolution was sparked 1800 years later.
 

Mr_Furious

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Originally posted by joey
well, do they have fabric, and sewing machines, and like thread and stuff?

just how big is the island?

will they ever get off the island?

are there any cats on the island?

cause if not then you can count me out...

big enough for a colony of a couple hundred people

no

maybe some wild cats...
 

PosTMOd

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^^^ That is to say, the system organizes as a whole, but the constituent components (each person) are moving separate ways...

From far, far, far away, and in retrospect, is there a pattern, not from close, close up. Like the motion of smoke in almost still air... each smoke particle does its own things, but effects the others in ways that make a cloud of smoke form patterns...
 
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Mr_Furious

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Originally posted by joey
well, do they have fabric, and sewing machines, and like thread and stuff?


no, they have nothing, just themselves and the island, which would have trees, and sand, and maybe some mountains...

that's the question, do you think they could evolve in such a fashion where they WOULD have fabric and sewing machines
 

MoFo

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Originally posted by PosTMOd


No, since in my hypothetical chaotic system, one cannot extrapolate individual behaviours from the aggregate (or gestalt, but I've grown tired of that word).

Who said anything about chaos? How chaotic can 50 people be when they're created from scratch?
Only "individual behaviours" that are existent (or cultivated) can create chaos anyways so aren't you contradicting yourself?
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by Mr_Furious
that's the question, do you think they could evolve in such a fashion where they WOULD have fabric and sewing machines

Not with only 50 people.

There is a critical number of people needed before the output becomes more "intelligent" looking by becoming the output of a self-organized system...
 

Mr_Furious

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Originally posted by PosTMOd


Not with only 50 people.

There is a critical number of people needed before the output becomes more "intelligent" looking by becoming the output of a self-organized system...

so how many people?

im sure at one time there was less than 50 people per square mile on this planet....

It just seems to me that we've evolved at an alarming rate as a human race, I was thinking about this topic while learning about the history computers in my computer science class
 
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MoFo

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Aren't we also forgetting the it didn't take 2002 years for humankind to have wars, sewing machines and Internet, for example? Post-modern society is a result of the evolution or development of mankind that goes back millions of years.

What about the other centuries where man dwelled in caves, hunted for their food and built tools out of bone? I don't consider us to be the superior species in terms of our independence on Earth so there is no way 50 people on an island would survive 2002 years.
 

MoFo

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This question reminds me of Lord of the Flies.

Is this 50 full-grown healthy adults that were created just like that? Or people flown in and dropped on an island to start a new world?
 

MoFo

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Originally posted by Mr_Furious



that's the question, do you think they could evolve in such a fashion where they WOULD have fabric and sewing machines

Are any of them Chinese? :D
 
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