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hypothetical question: if you.....

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by Mr_Furious, Mar 21, 2002.

  1. Mr_Furious

    Mr_Furious TRIBE Member

    if you put 50 people on a deserted island....do you think they would evolved in the same fashion that we did after 2002 years?

  2. swenard

    swenard TRIBE Member

  3. Mr_Furious

    Mr_Furious TRIBE Member

    why not?
  4. Cheer Bear

    Cheer Bear TRIBE Member


    but with a third eye

  5. PosTMOd

    PosTMOd Well-Known TRIBEr

    A system produced from the same initial conditions won't necessarily have the same self-organization, and thusly won't necessarily have the same output as prior ones.

    Think of ideas, etc, as the output of a large self-organized thing: society and/or its constituent groupings are necessary, but how they are organized now is the result of chaotic, and thus largely unpredictable, forces.
  6. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    ...such as fate. :D
  7. swenard

    swenard TRIBE Member


  8. joey

    joey TRIBE Member

    well, do they have fabric, and sewing machines, and like thread and stuff?

    just how big is the island?

    will they ever get off the island?

    are there any cats on the island?

    cause if not then you can count me out...
  9. swenard

    swenard TRIBE Member

    My cats breath smells like cat food!
  10. TaCk OnE?

    TaCk OnE? TRIBE Member

    yes, theyd be very much the same physically....I mean, very little evolutiinoary changes have ocured since the death of christ.

    their culture, language, and whatnot would totally be different, but they wouldn't be some strange species of people.

    that's absolute.
  11. Mr_Furious

    Mr_Furious TRIBE Member

    so basically your saying it could go either way....

    but I wanna hear what you think and why?

    I couldn't even grasp the concept of making something from nothing, so i'd probably die if I was alone.

    I think i've become too reliant on machines.
  12. PosTMOd

    PosTMOd Well-Known TRIBEr

    No, since in my hypothetical chaotic system, one cannot extrapolate individual behaviours from the aggregate (or gestalt, but I've grown tired of that word).
  13. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    Yeah, if an Industrial Revolution was sparked 1800 years later.
  14. Mr_Furious

    Mr_Furious TRIBE Member

    big enough for a colony of a couple hundred people


    maybe some wild cats...
  15. PosTMOd

    PosTMOd Well-Known TRIBEr

    ^^^ That is to say, the system organizes as a whole, but the constituent components (each person) are moving separate ways...

    From far, far, far away, and in retrospect, is there a pattern, not from close, close up. Like the motion of smoke in almost still air... each smoke particle does its own things, but effects the others in ways that make a cloud of smoke form patterns...
  16. Mr_Furious

    Mr_Furious TRIBE Member

    no, they have nothing, just themselves and the island, which would have trees, and sand, and maybe some mountains...

    that's the question, do you think they could evolve in such a fashion where they WOULD have fabric and sewing machines
  17. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    Who said anything about chaos? How chaotic can 50 people be when they're created from scratch?
    Only "individual behaviours" that are existent (or cultivated) can create chaos anyways so aren't you contradicting yourself?
  18. PosTMOd

    PosTMOd Well-Known TRIBEr

    Not with only 50 people.

    There is a critical number of people needed before the output becomes more "intelligent" looking by becoming the output of a self-organized system...
  19. joey

    joey TRIBE Member

    but how big is the island?
    will they have anything imported???
  20. Mr_Furious

    Mr_Furious TRIBE Member

    so how many people?

    im sure at one time there was less than 50 people per square mile on this planet....

    It just seems to me that we've evolved at an alarming rate as a human race, I was thinking about this topic while learning about the history computers in my computer science class
  21. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    Aren't we also forgetting the it didn't take 2002 years for humankind to have wars, sewing machines and Internet, for example? Post-modern society is a result of the evolution or development of mankind that goes back millions of years.

    What about the other centuries where man dwelled in caves, hunted for their food and built tools out of bone? I don't consider us to be the superior species in terms of our independence on Earth so there is no way 50 people on an island would survive 2002 years.
  22. Mr_Furious

    Mr_Furious TRIBE Member

    have what imported? tv's and playstations?

  23. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    This question reminds me of Lord of the Flies.

    Is this 50 full-grown healthy adults that were created just like that? Or people flown in and dropped on an island to start a new world?
  24. Mr_Furious

    Mr_Furious TRIBE Member

    there's no conditions to this.....I was just thinking out loud

    just imagine a new beginning....
  25. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    Are any of them Chinese? :D

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