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How long will the Hunger Striking Toronto Cabbies at City Hall survive?

How long will the hunger striking cabbies survive at Toronto City Hall?

  • A couple of days

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A week

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A month

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • A year or more

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Who cares?

    Votes: 7 77.8%

  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .

alexd

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Stop Bill C-10

djfear

TRIBE Member
Are taxi drivers stupid? Uber's not their enemy, Uber's simply a mirror pointed back at them. Their industry is ridiculous!

Exhibit A:
Taxi Plate | Kijiji: Free Classifieds in Toronto (GTA). Find a job, buy a car, find a house or apartment, furniture, appliances and more!

What other industry in Canada allows you to own a license to print money (aside from banks and insurance companies)? These licenses are "owned" by private individuals and were valued at $300,000+ in 2012, and now they're worth about $115,000. I see some of them being sold for $55,000 already.

Imagine if you were only allowed to have 5,000 restaurants / bars and the licenses to operate these establishments are owned by individuals and leased.

If the taxi drivers were serious then they would petition to get rid of standard plates altogether, and then separate dispatcher services from garage services. Many of these standard plate owners charge the cab drivers premium fees to buy cars, and then they are forced to use those garages if they want to be on the dispatch system. It's such a corrupt industry.
 

djfear

TRIBE Member
I remember taking a cab about a month ago and the cabbie mentioned something negative about uber. Instead of continuing that conversation I brought up standard plates... this is what the cabbie said:

"The standard plates used to cost about 300k, and they would charge about 1800 to lease it per month. Now they're worth about 115k, but they are still charging about 1600 to lease it."

And this guy was talking shit about Uber. Motherfucker, if you didn't have to pay $1600 A MONTH just to drive your shitty taxi, then you could compete with Uber. Why don't you petition for that? Well, the reason behind this is that The City did think about this at one point but because there is a market value associated with the plates they would end up getting sued by the plate owners.

Sooner or later (sooner), those plates will end up having no value and will not be used anymore.
 

SneakyPete

TRIBE Member
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lol one of the cabbies on hunger strike taken to hospital

This guy is either 1) faking it or 2) shouldn't be driving a taxi if he's in poor health.
 
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acheron

TRIBE Member
Sooner or later (sooner), those plates will end up having no value and will not be used anymore.

Yeah you don't hear the PR person for Beck talking too much about the value of plates. But that's the real reason they hate Uber so much.
 

praktik

TRIBE Member
And this guy was talking shit about Uber. Motherfucker, if you didn't have to pay $1600 A MONTH just to drive your shitty taxi, then you could compete with Uber. Why don't you petition for that? Well, the reason behind this is that The City did think about this at one point but because there is a market value associated with the plates they would end up getting sued by the plate owners.

Sooner or later (sooner), those plates will end up having no value and will not be used anymore.

They probably should have done it and paid them off to avoid the lawsuit - would be cheaper but would look like nothing other than a bribe, which is kind of what it would be on one level, but also some compensation for actual value that your new regulations would be removing.

So while the papers and the public would have eaten them alive if they didn't manage it properly, with the right leadership they could have managed it I think.

The real issue was a bit of expediency and cowardice cause there were a lot of ways they could have ended the plate owners stranglehold on our cab industry, no one had the will to pursue it - and as voters, we never really incentivized them to anyway, since the people most affected were the lowest level cabbies, a cohort here in the city no one really cared about.

And the plateowners didn't have quite enough hate from us to motivate us to reward politicians for taking them out.
 

acheron

TRIBE Member
They probably should have done it and paid them off to avoid the lawsuit - would be cheaper but would look like nothing other than a bribe, which is kind of what it would be on one level, but also some compensation for actual value that your new regulations would be removing.

"buying out" the plate owners was a bit of a tall order even only a couple of years ago. At the market value of $300k per plate, and 3451 standard plates (not even counting another 1000+ Ambassador plates) that would put the buyout at around a billion dollars just for the standard plates.

Of course, now that value is around 400 million.

Still a lot of money given how little breathing room Toronto's budget has.
 

praktik

TRIBE Member
The right leadership may have been able to try a strategy where they argue for a %, not the whole amount.

Then when the lawsuit comes use it as part of a shame campaign and then if they do have to cough up the rest it's because of the greedy, litigious plateholders using the courts to bilk taxpayers after rejecting a fair deal, not politicians ensuring they emerged square from the start.
 
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