How different would the world be...

[OTIS]

..if any pain, emotional or physical, we directly or indirectly inflicted on others would be reflected back to us 2 fold?

Not a karma thing, sort of an simultaneous thing.

Do you think a utopian society would then be able to exist or would we all go crazy from unreleased anger?

-OTIS

 

[Subsonic Chronic]

I think we'd be giving a lot of head.

 

[OTIS]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Subsonic Chronic:
I think we'd be giving a lot of head.</font>

I said nothing about pleasure..
only pain.

-OTIS

 

[Subsonic Chronic]

Honestly though... people would probably find some way around it, some way to make people hurt others so that they feel pain in return.

Humans are a bad breed. Even if something like that were in place, someone, somwhere would find a way to profit from it or cause misery to others.

damn i'm feeling pessimistic...

Pete

 

[Jeremy Jive]

So are you saying if I get someone off I get off twice as hard?

jeremy -well sign me the fuck up for that club- jive

 

[mingster]

I used to study Wicca. And they had an interesting idea about their consequence as people unto others. Something that I try and observe still.

They believe that whatever action they take out on another will return to them three-fold. Whether it be good or bad. Whatever feeling they inflict on another, they will experience themselves 3 times more intense.

Kinda like what you're asking about OTIS?
I think it's a good thing to live by...

Ming.

 

[OTIS]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Subsonic Chronic:
Honestly though... people would probably find some way around it, some way to make people hurt others so that they feel pain in return.

Pete</font>

I said directly or indirectly..
I guess being the General of an army would be a job no one would want.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jeremy:
So are you saying if I get someone off I get off twice as hard?

jeremy -well sign me the fuck up for that club- jive</font>

1. Read 3rd post
2. Insert timeline pic.

and Ming, I'm not talking about religious types of recoil.. I'm talking about an instantaneous thing.. like for example,
you get into an argument with your sig-other, you say something harsh and instanly you feel a pain double the one they feel, except it feels alien and unnatural.. and makes you disgusted.. sort of like the condidioning of clockwork orange..

-OTIS

 

[Rosey]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by OTIS:
I said nothing about pleasure..
only pain.

-OTIS</font>

there's a difference?

 

[kodos]

suddenly that whole "punch the hippie in the face" plan wouldn't work so well.

 

[Rosey]

ooops, forgot to add the

silly me.

 

[OTIS]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kodos:
suddenly that whole "punch the hippie in the face" plan wouldn't work so well. </font>

Yep, but thinking on a larger scale, I don't think there would be hippies in the first place.

-OTIS

 

[deep]

I think that it would push more definitively humanity into two categories : one striving to never hurt others for the pain it causes them and because they can see a chance at a better life with the conditions human beings got, and another giving up on that hope, content to wallow in sadomasochistic self destruction. I don't think people would really have a sense of humour. You couldn't poke a friendly joke at someone if it meant it hurt a lot deeper back to you.

 

[OTIS]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deep:
I think that it would push more definitively humanity into two categories : one striving to never hurt others for the pain it causes them and because they can see a chance at a better life with the conditions human beings got, and another giving up on that hope, content to wallow in sadomasochistic self destruction. I don't think people would really have a sense of humour. You couldn't poke a friendly joke at someone if it meant it hurt a lot deeper back to you.

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I just think we would learn to be sensitive to other people's feelings from an early age and we would also learn very quickly that poking fun isn't as harmless as it seems.

Poking fun at someone is an action learned to be acceptable at an early age, kids make fun of kids cuz their different in a certain way, with little reprocussion and the effect of it can cause disorders in the recipiant that follow that person all the way up into adulthood.

Now think about if all that was eliminated, confidence will flourish, productivity & functionality would increase, and people would find more positive outlets to release frustration.

-OTIS

 

[Rosey]

people who never have their feelings hurt end up as spoiled little shits. we'd be a race of spoiled brats who never had to bite the bullet and suffer a little to improve ourselves.

 

[OTIS]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rosey:
people who never have their feelings hurt end up as spoiled little shits. we'd be a race of spoiled brats who never had to bite the bullet and suffer a little to improve ourselves.</font>

Sorry I don't get it.. usually the ones hurting the feelings are the spoiled little shits.

-OTIS

 

[Rosey]

you are correct in that empathy is what causes us to learn not to hurt others. but i fear that such a system would lead to people constantly giving in to any demands made of them to avoid the psychic pain that refusal would cause.

 

[OTIS]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rosey:
you are correct in that empathy is what causes us to learn not to hurt others. but i fear that such a system would lead to people constantly giving in to any demands made of them to avoid the psychic pain that refusal would cause.
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Yes, but some will argue that fear is a painful emotion.. so I imagine that inducing that in someone would lead that pain back to you 2 fold.

-OTIS

 

[Sporty Dan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by OTIS:
..if any pain, emotional or physical, we directly or indirectly inflicted on others would be reflected back to us 2 fold?
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Well... for starters this research would get a lot more funding.


....All pain is relative to whatever other emotions are experienced. Sure you could eliminate 'pain' but then you;d just end up shifting up your emotional baseline, and stuff which made you happy would make you less happy, or not even happy at all. It;d be just like everyone was on antidepressants... sure they aren;t sad, but their not too happy either.


dan.

 

[SUNKIST]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mingster:
I used to study Wicca. And they had an interesting idea about their consequence as people unto others. Something that I try and observe still.

They believe that whatever action they take out on another will return to them three-fold. Whether it be good or bad. Whatever feeling they inflict on another, they will experience themselves 3 times more intense.

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same here.
i think if this theory stood true Otis...people would be scared to do anything. there would be no risk, no impulse, it would be a case of the consequences outweight the risk. half the reason for doing anything is because there is the initial thought that it could turn dangerous, hurtful, or negative. but if the consequence of that terms double...there's just no logical reason for doing anything.

 

[OTIS]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SUNKIST:
same here.
i think if this theory stood true Otis...people would be scared to do anything. there would be no risk, no impulse, it would be a case of the consequences outweight the risk. half the reason for doing anything is because there is the initial thought that it could turn dangerous, hurtful, or negative. but if the consequence of that terms double...there's just no logical reason for doing anything.

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Not really.. devoid of true intent, pain would not be reflected.

But please.. keep digging for flaws..

-OTIS