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how big is our 'scene'?

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feisty boy

TRIBE Member
i was thinking about this last night...

how big is the toronto scene now?

the big days of blc parties are long gone... not only were there huge parties, but usually a couple of medium sized ones each weekend... are they gone because of the crackdown? or has demand plummetted?

people say it's moved into the clubs - but really, there's not that many BIG, happening club nights... and many of them are still comprised of the 'club' scene that was always there...

were that many people a couple of years ago just jumping a trend?
how many people have grown out of it??

i'm just curious how many people are out there that would still consider themselves - not ravers, but part of that 'scene' that once was ravers...

note: i'm not writing an essay or something, i'm just curious what people think, since i haven't really seen this brought up directly
 
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MoFo

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I watched some raw footage from film class and I was walking down my school halls (liquiding!) wearing huge Kikwears, a baby blue t-shirt and wooden beads. And I'm sure I was listening to Roni Size, Illfingas and Mystical a lot at that time. I went to a couple of raves and always had a good time but I never really got into it hardcore. I was more into the music than the actual lifestyle.

Then I stopped going altogether (my last one was supposed to be the first Citrus) but I still kept listening to my tapes anyway and wearing all the gear every so often. I even read Tribe religiously and pretended I was all sketched out at home after a party but instead I was doing my math homework and blasting happy hardcore.

I got back into it because of Tribe. I used to lurk when I first got internet but I never posted. And then suddenly, I posted and started tagging along with Aphrodite to Turbo and System. It was lots of fun but I was still not hardcore into it. (Now I get REALLY antsy when I have to stay home on the weekend.)

Even though I wasn't into the drugs or the E Parties (remember those?) or Freakshow, I think I considered myself a raver in highschool. And I still do. It's not my official label but it definitely has had an impact on my life.

I mean, every time I go to System, there's about an hour (around 12:30) when I bitch and complain about the music. And I sit in the back and dream about how I would much rather be wearing some baggy khakis, a baseball cap and dancing in some dark, dingy basement to old skool jungle and breaks.

"Once a raver, always a raver."

But then I look up and I see lots of smiling faces of music-lovers and funny drunkards and it's happy time again.

Clubbing's not so bad. It's not like people are dragging me to Money or Plastique for some Top 40 shit.

But yeah, I think the scene is huge here because I just think about all the past ravers who've gotten old and all the new ones who discovered the club scene. Just look at iDance.

*ramble ramble ramble...*
 
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Housey D

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by feisty boy:
were that many people a couple of years ago just jumping a trend?
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Yes. About 2 years ago there were tonnes of people who were going to parties because it was "the cool thing to do". I've seen many of those people leave because their heart was never in it, and didn't really care about the music or the people.
 
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pr0nstar

TRIBE Member
Raving ain't what it used to be... simple as taht
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Things go in Cycles...

I love the small and the big parties... I really couldn't care less about the venue, long as the DJ is playing something I can groove to, then it's all good.

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jungleboy

TRIBE Promoter
I agree with m m it's going to blow up again...maybe never as big as it was three years ago but that was some weird thing the scene got away with....to have mega-mega parties on city property....nutty
 
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HappyJR

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by m..m:
I have a funny feeling things are about to blow up again.</font>
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You think so?

I hope not... but I don't see it that way... Not for a few years anyways...

In my humble oppinion, it really does come down to what joey said:

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i think a lot of it has to do with the lack of safe and available venues

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Now adays, so close to the huge paties, that cost 100000s of dollars to throw, anyone who has anything to do with parties is spoiled.

What I mean is, say someone owns a venue wich could be used to throw a party... Then... they know that they can get a whole lot of money out of a promoter, and so the promoter's got to fork it over...

And in order to make their money back they have to pack people in like sardines and charge rediculous prices... And the thing is... people have gotten tired of that... They want confortable venues with room not only to dance, but to sit around.

And so... lots of people go to clubs... Wich can provide a safe and confortable environment for a reasonable cost. And many who don't like clubs cause of their corporate atmosphere just find themselves staying home more and more... and actually having lives and being productive...

So... That leaves promoters in an even messier situation... Cause... not only do they have to pay reduculous prices for venues, security, permits and whatnot, but less and less people are coming out... And so... what they do, is throw parties like Highwire.

They basically cut costs by booking only well known locals, and still charging rediculous prices, knowing full well that those people who still want to "rave" will come out, cause that's all that's really available...

But... How much longer are people doing to put up with that... More and more people are done with parties every day... So parties aren't coming back in that form, that's for sure. This is just the last incarnation of the big parties, and it won't last either...

And eventually... those that really don't want to leave it, will realise "Hey... I know DJ Bob, and DJ Fred... Now... they're not Superstar DJs from the UK... But... they're just as good as Dr Trance... I mean, in the end, they're all spinning the same records that were made by someone else anyways. And they'll play for free... And they find places around the city that will let them throw afterhours parties... and they throw their own... small, cheaper, and wich a much better vibe, cause everyone who goes feels somehow involved...

That's already been happening, and it's going to continue happening. And so, in my oppinion, the numbers are going to keep dwindling, because less and less people will be willing to go into riskyer venues, to hear less-known local djs... when there are other alternatives, but at the same time, to those who see going not as a risk, or an inconvenience but as an adventure... well... They'll have lots of fun.

So... yeah, that's my rant...
 
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Fir3start3r

TRIBE Member
This is a little off topic....a couple of things:
a) I never thought of myself going out to a scene...more for a night out of good music.

b) This has more to do with the "safe and available venues".
Has the Toronto Dance Safety Committee ever released a list of venues that are deemed safe? If not...why? If they have...where is it? City Hall?
 
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matty

TRIBE Member
I should clarify that by 'blow up' I don't mean the return of 10000 person raves at the CNE. I think that there is going to be a resurgence of interest and participation in the electronic music community. We'll just have to wait to see how this manifests itself in terms of events in the city.

Personally I think you'll see more 1000 to 3000 person events that are successful in the eyes of the promoters and the attendees. Plus, we'll see a resurgence of popularity in the multitude of smaller (50-300 person) events that are already taking place. The community is diversifying and attracting all sorts of new people.

&lt;cliche&gt;Rave is dead&lt;/cliche&gt;
 
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HappyJR

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Fir3start3r:
This is a little off topic....a couple of things:
a) I never thought of myself going out to a scene...more for a night out of good music.

b) This has more to do with the "safe and available venues".
Has the Toronto Dance Safety Committee ever released a list of venues that are deemed safe? If not...why? If they have...where is it? City Hall?</font>
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Well, that's my point.

A lot of people just want to have a fun night out, and listen to some good music. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But... then I ask, why go to "raves" at all... I mean, by going to a possibly not as safe venue, and not enjoying yourself as a result, you do yourself and the people around you a disservice...

If you just want a fun night out, stick to clubs. Safer, better music (bigger talent, better sound systems, etc...)

And, at the same time the underground can be comprised of people who all "get it", and who do feel as if together, they're all after more then just having a fun night out.
 
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Fir3start3r

TRIBE Member
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HappyJR:
Well, that's my point.

A lot of people just want to have a fun night out, and listen to some good music. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But... then I ask, why go to "raves" at all... I mean, by going to a possibly not as safe venue, and not enjoying yourself as a result, you do yourself and the people around you a disservice...

If you just want a fun night out, stick to clubs. Safer, better music (bigger talent, better sound systems, etc...)

And, at the same time the underground can be comprised of people who all "get it", and who do feel as if together, they're all after more then just having a fun night out.

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Ferry Corsten....that's my next hit.
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Plato

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i think with events such as smirnof experience, and the upcomming nokia-renaissance thing we wil start seeing more corporate type events.
if done properly the direction can go to seeing little nokia logos on flyers, a few sticker and other cool promotional items given out, and not something like the djs stopping the records to remind partiers of the new nokia features on their phones.

a canadian counterpart to creamfields or gatecrasher summer sound system can and will eventually happen

give it some time

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