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Preroller

TRIBE Member
I try to be as good to myself as I can be since you only get one body. A friend of mine recently got me to try out some products from a company called Malaleuca. They have some pretty interesting patents, (Calling Timo!) that increase the effectiveness of taking calcium and other suppliments by attaching fructose molecules to the minerals and vitimans which supposedly increases your retentian rate by like 80%

They also have stuff like phosphate free laudry soap, non-toxic cleaners, power bars, shakes things like that, and a line of beauty products for women that dont have nasty shit in them.

They use tetry(sp) oil in most of their products, which is how they got the name for the compnay.

Anyway, I thought maybe some people might have heard of these guys before, or have some insight as to weather or not this stuff would of any benifit.

I'm going to try it out for a bit and see how it works.

http://www.melaleuca.com
 
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lucky1

TRIBE Member
They are primarily like Amway... sorta like a cult.

Maleluca - or however you spell it is tea tree oil. It is all natuarl and has good antiseptic qualities but be weary of getting sucked inot to buying all their product.

You could probably buy similar products for a lot less cost at any good health store.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
I'm not convinced of the effectiveness of their so-called fructose compounding thing. Just sounds like they are adding fructose to the mix, and patenting that-- perfectly legitimate as a process patent, but does it really effect absorption? I doubt it... which is why I don't see any references to clinical trials, just vague notes on some patented process.

Prices seem about double what I would pay.
 

Preroller

TRIBE Member
ok, well, you have the same concerns that I do...I dont really want to change EVERYTHING that I have, but some of the products seem pretty decent.

Timo, the Prices are higher, I was told, but they go a lot further, then say your normal luandry soap does as in loads per bottle.

anyway, im a pretty big sceptic, so I am proceeding with caution. I will let you all know what I think.
 

gubydal

TRIBE Member
Interesting. I haven't heard of that company but the theory sounds promising. Hypothetically it would go something like this.

The body loves sugar, it is designed to get as much sugar as possible out of the food you eat. It's a priority because sugar is the food the brain uses, however the only sugar that can be utilized right away is glucose. The others (galactose and fructose) have to be broken down in the liver first.

So, when you eat the vitamins laced with fructose they are escorted directly to your liver for immediate processing. Are there any studies?

Shawna
 
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PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by gubydal
It's a priority because sugar is the food the brain uses, however the only sugar that can be utilized right away is glucose.

That's actually a myth. The brain can use ketones if they are available. I think the myth comes from the knowledge that the brain is unlike other tissues in that it can't use free fatty acids, and this somehow leads to the assumption that it can ONLY use glucose.

See:

Owen O.E. et al. Brain metabolism during fasting. J Clin Invest (1967) 10: 1589-1595.

Sokoloff L. Metabolism of ketone bodies by the brain. Ann. Rev Med (1973) 24: 271-280.

Cahill G. Ketosis. Kidney International (1981) 20: 416-425.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by Preroller
Timo, the Prices are higher, I was told, but they go a lot further, then say your normal luandry soap does as in loads per bottle.

Where are the studies? With claims such as these, I want to see studies, and up front, and prominent.

Since they aren't there, I can easily assume that they are just ripping people off. Thing is, the more people pay for something, the greater the placebo effect. That's just human nature, since people hate to admit that they paid for something that doesn't work-- their brain compensates by MAKING IT WORK. It's the reason high colonics work-- you just paid for someone to spray your ass out, so you aren't about to admit it did nothing.
 

Preroller

TRIBE Member
I will ask some hardball questions tonight...I was wondering about the studies as well, I thought the website would be more of that kind of stuff, rather then just the marketing...you'd think that would be at the forefront of the site.
 

gubydal

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by PosTMOd
That's actually a myth. The brain can use ketones if they are available. I think the myth comes from the knowledge that the brain is unlike other tissues in that it can't use free fatty acids, and this somehow leads to the assumption that it can ONLY use glucose.

Let me clear things up.

If you read what I posted again, you'll see that at no time did I say that the brain exculsively uses glucose. It is however the brains primary source of energy. Which is why the body has a very sophisticated method of regulating blood glucose levels. Ketones make the body run more efficiently and provide a backup fuel source for the brain. That really has nothing to do with vitamin absorption, I was just trying to illustrate that in all probability the fructose laced vitamins would be absorbed more readily than vitamins which lack a trasnport molecule.

Fructose is a monosaccharide, it requires no specific transport molecule to get into the blood. It is absorbed in it's whole form by intestinal villi... actually microvilli and deposited into the bloodstream. Once in the blood, fructose is escorted directly to the liver. The liver then processes it into glucose and if there are vitamins attached to the fructose then it makes sense that they will get processed right along with it.

I too, would love to see studies for this product. I'm very interested in hearing Preroller's review! Going to check out the website later... gotta run...

Shawna

edit- brain needs more sugar... can't type worth a damn
 
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PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by gubydal
...sugar is the food the brain uses...

"THE" is called a definite article. If you wanted a reader to infer that glucose was but one fuel for the brain, you should have used the indefinite "A".
 
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gubydal

TRIBE Member
You can be my editor or perhaps my grammar tutor. ;)

Sorry for the confusion, anyway... I'm sure you get the point.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by gubydal
Blah blah blah misinterpretation

Clearly, the fructose is used only in the COMPOUNDING, which implies that it is not chemically bonded by any means to the vitamins (this would require Phase 1 to Phase 3 clinical trials anyway, so it is more than an assumption)... therefore, any theory you are presenting is false, since it is based on utilizing fructose bonded chemically to the vitamins. This wouldn't work anyway, since the whole concept of transporters is that they are specific for a shape and size of molecule.

I find it curious that the claims are in pdf form, in that they are harder to search... those ads would not have made it past any sort of scrutiny from Health Canada, since they are making false claims.
 

gubydal

TRIBE Member
You just want someone to argue with:p

I would kindly oblige but I've got a ton to do and it's already past 3. I have thoroughly enjoyed your company today!

Later gater:D
 

Preroller

TRIBE Member
So, Timo, I'm going to se this lady on Wednesday night, and ask her for some sort of proof that this binding will be effective, and tips on the kinds of questions I should ask her (in non Timo Language?)

DAVE
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by Preroller
So, Timo, I'm going to se this lady on Wednesday night, and ask her for some sort of proof that this binding will be effective, and tips on the kinds of questions I should ask her (in non Timo Language?)

DAVE

Ask her what sort of clinical trials have been done comparing their formulation with the 'normal' formulation.

1) How many people in the studies?
2) How did they measure uptake?
3) Was the study double blind?

I highly doubt she will even answer that ANY studies were done, since it is quite clear that they made a change in FORMULATION, meaning they added some fructose to the tablets. Big fucking deal... so fucking what? <---ask those questions

It's relatively easy to get a patent on a formulation... actually, can you get the patent numbers from her? I'd like to see the claims laid out, and perhaps then I could rip into the patent(s) with some prior art claims, and get them completely fucked ;)
 
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