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**healing By Touch**

gasper

TRIBE Member
I can't read this without laughing inside:

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What is healing touch?
The Department of Holistic Health at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center offers "Healing Touch" to enhance healing and relieve stress to our patients.

Healing touch is an energy-based therapy that supports the body's natural healing process.

How healing touch is done
Healing touch practitioners use gentle movements of their hands either lightly touching the body or several inches above it to smooth and balance the energy field.

Healing touch assists in creating an environment of safety and harmony to sooth and comfort a frightened child.

Healing touch benefits children by relieving pain, promoting relaxation, reducing anxiety or stress, supporting the body's natural healing process, preparing the child for medical treatments or surgery and increasing energy.

Is healing touch painful or uncomfortable?
What healing touch practitioners experience is that the children find healing touch so relaxing they often fall asleep while the treatment is being done. Parents notice a greater sense of relaxation in the child.

Is there any special preparation for the treatment?
There is no specific preparation for a child to receive healing touch. Parents are always fully informed and give their verbal consent for healing touch to be performed on their child.

Healing touch practitioners work at the bedside with the children. It is preferred for the child to be lying in bed, but there are techniques that can be used while the parents are holding the child.

Who orders or performs healing touch?
Parents may request healing touch by calling the Holistic Health Department, 513-636-2463.

Healing touch therapy can be recommended to parents by nurses, physicians, child life specialists or other caregivers.

Healing touch practitioners are specifically educated and trained to do specific therapeutic techniques that can reduce pain, relieve anxiety and promote relaxation to children.

When or how often is healing touch done?
The number of treatments given is on an individual assessment of the patient's need. Some techniques can be done several times a day. Generally, children are visited daily by Holistic Health Department staff once therapy has been established.

What is the likelihood of success with healing touch?
Research has demonstrated the accelerated wound healing and relaxation, pain relief, and general comfort that patients experience who receive healing touch.
 
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graham

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it's such crap, but if the patient is down, DO IT !

only thing, make it more of a general practice, like an opt in at the hospital with licenses, whatever, such that the con artists are taken out of the equation
 

gubydal

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by PosTMOd


Occasionally, yes, someone will be able to fight off even a large tumour. We may all have done that as well-- how do we know? Unfortunately, someone will have also sought some bullshit 'treatment' at the same time as their body decided to fight off the tumour, and thus their recovery is temporally associated with a bullshit.


Yes, people fight off cancers all the time, people who aren't "suppsosed" to recover do. In this case it wasn't a tumor, it was systemic of the lymphatic system, and had metastasized in nearly every organ he had.

Yes, you stand a better chance of recovery if someone tells you you're going to LIVE.
 

KillaLadY

TRIBE Member
Thank you for sending me the information.

I have to believe in miracles as I love my mother with all my heart and if will help her a little bit, why not give it a try?
 
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KillaLadY

TRIBE Member
I will... the fact that on Xmas time I had to buy her a cofin instead of something else is something I will never forget.
Of course I will try everything.
 

graham

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by KillaLadY
I will... the fact that on Xmas time I had to buy her a cofin instead of something else is something I will never forget.
Of course I will try everything.

best wishes
 

PolishPrincess

TRIBE Member
not sure if you read that post where i corrected myself about the cost.
$100/45 min treatment.

Even if it is "BS" as some of you think....if you love someone spending $100 on one treatment that should show results isnt a big deal!
(not after watching them suffer for so long)

KL: glad u got my email.
Preparing for such a scary event must have been terrible. Best Wishes!! You are always in my prayers!
 

judge wopner

TRIBE Member
i find it funny how fast people are to standin the face of a legit success story an simply label it as placebo or quackery.

when someone dies on the operating table at the hands of heart surgeon (which happens all the time sadly) no one suggests that cardiology is quackery or tells other people about to get heart surgery that their uncle tried it and died, so it couldnt possibly work.

bullshit.

people are so hard wired to think that only what an MD or medical science proper tells them is legit.
they never bought chiropractors until a short while ago and many people have found them effective. but its not for everyone.

thats why you try different modlities as different things work for different people.

lots of people take tylenol 3 for aches and pains, if it doesnt do anything, who would suggest tylenol 3 is useless?

and why is a placebo effect writen off as illegitimate. the placebo effect seems to be the least invasive and most organic way of healing oneself over harsh drugs.

so if doing such and such therapy achieves a lasting and desired effect through placebo, thats great.

its like telling someone they cant be broken hearted over losing a loved one because theres noting physically wrong with their heart... it ignores the magnitutde of our minds....


:D
 

BigBadBaldy

TRIBE Member
Yes, because open heart surgery and healing touch are practically the same thing, and have developed at the same rate with the same level of research and education throughout the years.

I find it hard to believe that you're incredulous at people's skepticism about the nature of these miraculous recoveries. I don't think anyone has a problem with possible results, but the reasons behind them are debatable without concrete proof (in my opinion).
 
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kuba

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by BigBadBaldy
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T., in my opinion.

You people are free to experience and believe whatever you want, more power to you, but I think it's a load of crap.

:D
 

lucky1

TRIBE Member
The treatment is called RAIKI (or something like that)

It involves directing energy into and around the body.

My parents never belive this stuff too. But then their freind's brother was in town who practices raiki "massage."

My mom was his subject. He held his hands about 6 inches away from her body and started at the head and worked down. the area that his hands were over muscles started moving and my mom said she could feel a lot of heat.

I'm not sure how it works but she definiately felt something and we all so the muscle shaking even though he never laid a hand over her body.

I'm glad you're mom has felt relieve. ANd it's good that this "treatment" is non invasive, non habit forming or mentally altering like drugs are. So people should stop hating just because they don't understand.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by lucky1 So people should stop hating just because they don't understand. [/B]

Thing is, I DO UNDERSTAND.

I understand the power of the mind:

1) When someone pays a lot of money for something, it is more likely to work. People equate price with quality.

2) Many, many, many, many studies have shown healing touch to be bullshit, and it works only because of the placebo effect.

3) You cannot change someone's mind on how something works, especially after they have paid money and seen it "work".

Pay attention especially to Number 3, which ties in with an idea in all persuasion, known as "consistency": Basically, once someone has made up their mind, they will do ANYTHING, including feeling less pain, to stick with what they believe, regardless of any evidence to the contrary.

This also means that nobody who argues for the truth, and debunks the bullshit is being MEAN or HATEFUL, since the placebo effect WILL continue.

I think it is cruel and hateful to live in a world where as much credit is given to bullshit artists as to cardiac surgeons. It is painful for me to hear about it, and I will no longer be trolled into responding to SHIT.
 

R4V4G3D_SKU11S

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by judge wopner

when someone dies on the operating table at the hands of heart surgeon (which happens all the time sadly) no one suggests that cardiology is quackery or tells other people about to get heart surgery that their uncle tried it and died, so it couldnt possibly work.

I believe that the years and years of studies in the field of cardiology are enough for even the simplest of minds to grasp the causal effectivness of such procedures.
 

R4V4G3D_SKU11S

TRIBE Member
I don't think anyone is saying that these treatments can't work. I think it is the idea that the practitioner is some magic man who is rearranging cells in the body with his voodoo waves that is being challenged. It is instead actually a placebo effect that is doing something (that is in the cases where coincidence isn't present, which without a doubt make up a high number of cases). Nothing wrong at all with it when it works. It's more the idea that you need to pay a "professional" 100's of dollars to unlock this power that our minds already possess, or to be able to associate a clear up with a treatment, as opposed to someting just naturally occuring concurrently yet independent of said treatment.

They are working based on much less measurable/predictable principles. I think that these therapies can be quite good as complementary treatment. They increase the level of positive thinking, whic can help in strenghthening the immune system.
 
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judge wopner

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Originally posted by PosTMOd


I think it is cruel and hateful to live in a world where as much credit is given to bullshit artists as to cardiac surgeons. It is painful for me to hear about it, and I will no longer be trolled into responding to SHIT.

oh bravo captain. :rolleyes:

slow your roll a bit.
healing touch is akin to cardiology only in that their aim is the same: to heal. which is what medicine is principally about.

people are just trying to share stories of healing, and you seem to enjoy calling them bullshit for no other reason than your own perception that it must be bullshit if its not about cutting people open or getting quantitave results.

science is in service of medicine not the other way around.
if you can heal people without hurting them, i think we should support this type of activity.

the fact that certian therapies dont fit into the standard scientific model does not render them quackery or useless per se.

if you were facing a serious illness and began to pray, how would you feel about the doctor telling you not to bother becuase theres no hard data to prove that religion stuff works and that its bullshit to believe in it.

healing like spirituality can be a personal thing, to accuse is so harshly of quackery is a bit uncompassionate and foolish.
you have probally never felt the despair of a serious illness and found yourself searching for anything to help you, scientific or not....
(and if you have, i feel sorry for you for not having learnt much from it).

:)
 

DeepSix

TRIBE Promoter
Do you even know the history of surgery? Or the history of Chi energy manipulation? Just wondering, because some of you are going on about the "years and years" of research in cardiac surgery.

http://www.heart-surgeon.com/history.html

http://www.naturalhealth.org/articles/historyofacupuncture.htm

It may be a cultural difference, and we - mostly being raised in a Westernized society, though many of us are from different heritages - cannot understand the terminology used in some of the more "exotic" therapies.

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And btw, doctors are great and fix up people like mechanics fix car
s. But after the symptom is removed, their job is done. And to be complete honest, it's after their job that true 'healing' begins.

Too many doctors treat patients in little lumps...often missing the crux of the problem because the visible/testable/diagnosable symptomology is not apparent. And they often measure success in different ways. Often times, eradication/elimitation of a symptom is the measure of the western medical model. And often times, I find that this is why people turn to alternative medicine - there is nothing more the western doctors can do for them that they "buy into" - radical surgeries etc. are not fun. Healing and therapy must fit with the patient's lifestyle and belief system - as I think we all agree, the mind is a powerful ally in healing.

I find it as equally horrid that non-traditional medicine isn't given as much credence as say, cosmetic plastic surgery (big bucks, let me tell you). Or nurses for that matter...heck, anyone who's ever worked the floor on a ward knows that the nurses run the show, not the docs, and definitely not the therapists ;)

We all do our part.

I can get people to do things that doctors could never get them to do. They're just not trained to think the way I am. Likewise, I'm not trained to do what they do. We all work together to try to help people get better.

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My only warning to consumers of health care is to be wary of any one, whether it be a board-certifide MD with 12 letters behind his name, a chiropractor. a little old man from China or a pastor from Louisiana ...

Stay informed and be an active consumer of health. Beware of any one promising cures or instant results. It doesn't mean it won't happen, but just be aware of your options. Ask questions and don't be afraid to get second opinions.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by judge wopner

you have probally never felt the despair of a serious illness and found yourself searching for anything to help you, scientific or not...

My mother had multiple sclerosis, and I watched her slowly go from normal to completely unable to do anything physical over the course of 14 years or so.

So, yeah, I have some insights into bullshit that other don't have.

If someone is facing a serious illness--and I already pointed this out-- if they do some quackery that works, then nothing anyone says on a message board is going to change their mind. In fact, it'll make their quackery probably work better, in order to keep up the appearance of consistency.
 

PolishPrincess

TRIBE Member
Also something interesting i was told about.

My mom was talking to a friend of hers who is a doctor and she was trying to explain to my mom why they keep waiting to give her another MRI. She said each doctor is given a specific amount of money to use on patients with insurance for things like x-rays, mri's etc...i wonder what happends if they dont use all the money for that year?
She feels pain, her doctor gives her more meds? How is that helping solve her problem? its just attempting to cover up her pain. Thats a good short term fix...but being doped up on drugs everyday isnt a very good way to live.

We are so quick to perscribe meds for all pain.....look at all the money pharmasudical (sp) companies are making of each head ache we get....every cramp etc.....thats BS to me.
 

~Loress~

TRIBE Member
I'd really like to share some of my thoughts but I'm running late so I'll just leave you all with this...

I have experienced Reiki first hand by a few people- my massage therapist who is also a Reiki master, and my ex Robb who has his level 1... I was so blown away by it that i decided to research it myself and two years ago I achieved my level 1 (I will be doing my level 2 this summer) My knowledge of Reiki and the experiences I've shared have truly opened my eyes, it really does work. I'll post more when I get home....

Such a great thread! :D

~Lori
 
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PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by PosTMOd
My mother had multiple sclerosis, and I watched her slowly go from normal to completely unable to do anything physical over the course of 14 years or so.

So, yeah, I have some insights into bullshit that other don't have

MS is now quite a bit easier to treat, and because of real, scientific, medical breakthroughs, and in the meantime, the same quacks have moved on to try to treat other diseases, making sure that the people with these diseases don't involve themselves in real science, for what would the quacks do if these diseases were to get real treatments?

I watched my mother, a woman with a PhD. completely fall apart and turn to Oral Roberts for help....

In other words, my anecdote beats yours hands down ;)
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by qtip
once I saw postmod's contribution in the "last post by" link, I knew I had to come here.

I waited a while before pulling out the trump card.

I wasn't even going to until I was pushed ;)
 

gubydal

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by PosTMOd

I watched my mother, a woman with a PhD. completely fall apart and turn to Oral Roberts for help....

In other words, my anecdote beats yours hands down ;)

If it's not to personal to share, would you please tell us the rest because I think it's important for people to hear that side of the story as well. People need to be aware that there are dishonest people in every profession including Holistic Practitioners.

caveat emptor

Shawna
 

DeepSix

TRIBE Promoter
I'm not trying to pry or get to personal or argumentative, but I'm just wondering who is more upset by quacks...the people seeking the help, or the people who watch the people seeking help.

Do the observers get upset because the patient is "letting themselves be deluded?"

Or is it the money aspect?
 
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