Spinsah
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this.
nor have they ever had to resources to build anything even slightly resistant to earthquakes. living on $2 a day is hard.
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Haiti: a disaster
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nor have they ever had to resources to build anything even slightly resistant to earthquakes. living on $2 a day is hard.
What the fuck else are they supposed to do?
I just watched Dr. Sanjay Gupta provide much needed medical attention to a 15 day old baby girl.
Reporters have one job, to report; I hardly see how them doing their JOB is some crime against humanity. If no one is there to report, how will the world properly comprehend the catastrophe that has occured?
Also, in the light of this disaster, commenting on a reporters haircut is pretty fucking stupid. Who cares what he looks like, he's just there to report, not mend broken bones.
Such a sad situation.
el presidente Highsteppa
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Robertson will use any opportunity to increase his supportive base any way he can. Same goes for Limbaugh - say outrageous shit and hope some of the dillweeds will start to follow if they pick it up on other news channels. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not, if you're paying attention to them, you're helping their ratings.
The thing that's so repulsive of Robertson's comments is the "I told you so" bullshit and his thinly layered pandering to get support to his organization through use of fear.
The thing that's so repulsive of Robertson's comments is the "I told you so" bullshit and his thinly layered pandering to get support to his organization through use of fear.
NemIsis
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A colleague of mine still doesn't know what has happened to many family members. His niece was in the University when it collapsed, and they are pretty sure she is dead. His two brothers are missing. One has Parkinson's and rarely left the house, but they don't know if he was home when his house collapsed (They are praying he wasn't). His other brother is a police officer and no one has heard a thing from him since the earthquake. They found his sister's body amongst the rubble of her house. Dear Lord, I hope his brothers are ok.
I went to see him, and told him I heard he had family in Haiti (I didn't know the extent of what he was experiencing at the time). We were both crying as he told me. He said he had to come to work as it was the only thing that was keeping him sane right now.
I hear people like Pat Robinson and truly cannot even comprehend what I am hearing. I don't even know what to say.
KickIT
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It's easy to think of Haiti as the land of voodoo, but the reality is, it's got an overwhelming 92%+ christian majority.
The sad state of Haiti is all about politics, mainly loans from the west, corruption from inside, and unfair trade. It's easy to blame a 'higher power' or a 'deal with the devil' when you are afraid to point the finger at yourself.
In that house, I would assume the door was hung improperly before I'd assume ghosts!
TribeLurkerGrrl
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Have you found anywhere collecting donations of goods?
I am working with a few Haitian families who have had HUGE losses, or still have not heard anything. So so sad.
One women has mobilized some people in her community to donate clothes and other goods. These people have no money to give but feel they have to do something. I have been searching (mostly online) for an organization collecting such items but haven't found anything.
Spinsah
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Haha. Sometimes I feel like I'm living in a ramshackle cottage.
So, like, did you find this moral high ground before or after you were making jokes in the thread title?
praktik
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Ya this where it took me next: does this stop one from considering the ways in which man is directly responsible for the way Haiti is?
Then I realized a comment like Maria's could be reconciled with that: maybe the fate or "damning" could be seen to be working through the hand of man.
Im not sure anyone who says something like that is by default ignorant of the ways people have essentially planned and worked for Haiti to be destitute.
just got this email from my cousin...
Oui je suis bien jai du evacuer ma maison durgence mais la tout les canadiens sont rassembles et on se tiens. La population locale commence a avoir faim et font du pillage un peu partout. jai dormi dans un camion pendant 2 nuits avec des collegues. La nourriture commence a se faire rare mais nous nous organison. larmee arrive aujourdhui. nous avons fait evacuer des canadiens qui etaient en voyage ici ou pour affaires. je ne sais pas si nous allons etre evacuer ou si nous allons rester ici. Une collegue va nous eberger cette nuit chez elle samaison na pas ete touche. Il y a beaucoup de morts dans la population et les degats sont catastrophiques ont dirait la guerre. je vais tenter de vous donner des nouvelles mais il serait mieux que vous appelliez chez moi xxx-xxx-xxxx ou cell xxx-xxx-xxxx et demander a XXXXXXXX car je nai pas tout le temps acces a un ordi et le cellulaire ne fonctionne pas, merci et je vous aime tous beaucoup xoxo
fuck... I can't even imagine being there right now.
Oui je suis bien jai du evacuer ma maison durgence mais la tout les canadiens sont rassembles et on se tiens. La population locale commence a avoir faim et font du pillage un peu partout. jai dormi dans un camion pendant 2 nuits avec des collegues. La nourriture commence a se faire rare mais nous nous organison. larmee arrive aujourdhui. nous avons fait evacuer des canadiens qui etaient en voyage ici ou pour affaires. je ne sais pas si nous allons etre evacuer ou si nous allons rester ici. Une collegue va nous eberger cette nuit chez elle samaison na pas ete touche. Il y a beaucoup de morts dans la population et les degats sont catastrophiques ont dirait la guerre. je vais tenter de vous donner des nouvelles mais il serait mieux que vous appelliez chez moi xxx-xxx-xxxx ou cell xxx-xxx-xxxx et demander a XXXXXXXX car je nai pas tout le temps acces a un ordi et le cellulaire ne fonctionne pas, merci et je vous aime tous beaucoup xoxo
fuck... I can't even imagine being there right now.
derek
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you don't honestly think that's what she's inferring? i don't think voodoo is a metaphor for external forces. you could essentially put the same spin on any ignorant comment.
it has a very 'god works in mysterious ways' feel to it.
praktik
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Ya for sure...a nd I guess thats why i'm slightly mystified to see the quote called out...
To my mind it was an honest reaction to one of the sorriest tales of misery of our modern times. When you look at the scale of it, I think these kinds of reactions are going to be commonplace.
I just hope that they dont become an excuse to absolve the work of men that made Haiti what it is today...
Spinsah
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cbc has this crowdsourced option up already.
Your photos: Haiti: Finding family and friends - Photo Galleries - Your Voice - CBCnews.ca
deepfunkysoul
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According to the C.I.A factbook "roughly half of the population practices voodoo." Despite being christian.
Not that it matters, but it is an interesting fact.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ha.html
That's fascinating, I did not know that. Thanks.
derek
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voodoo has many christian facets too it. in hati it's not so easy to seperate christianity and voodoo. while the roots of voodoo precede colonization, since colonization many practices within both mythological practices have been merged.
you see similar confluences in hopi & puelbo rituals in the usa. they are one of few groups permitted to use peyote in their rituals which often have both traditional and christian elements.
you see similar confluences in hopi & puelbo rituals in the usa. they are one of few groups permitted to use peyote in their rituals which often have both traditional and christian elements.
Wiseman
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judge wopner
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this is no different from italian and south american incantations for bad fate or the evil eye, like mallochio or malfatura (not sure how to spell them)
same sort of thing with some philipino practices of calling of the dead, or not answering when death calls and all sorts of cultural twists on religion, i think we tend to water it down and call it superstition but its based on pretty much the same kind principles as voodo non?
praktik
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This Jeffrey Sachs article from the Financial Times that describes some of the Bush policy to Haiti in the new millenium.
before you get up in arms about Bush, this approach to Haiti has continuity going back through Clinton and prior to that even.
before you get up in arms about Bush, this approach to Haiti has continuity going back through Clinton and prior to that even.
derek
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yes. it's not so easy to place a demarcation line between both beliefs in such instances. and rc could go to a voodoo ritual and look at it as blasphemy, whereas, to the group performing the ritual, that's just how they practice christianity, or at the least how they incorporate components of christianity into their on beliefs. in fairness though holy trinity, emmaculate conception, and omnipotent being (male at that) that sees and judges all, and transubstantiation are also superstition (unless of course you're christian).