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Chris

Well-Known TRIBEr
voting Liberal?

maybe you should think twice? Picked this up via the net
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Points to consider A Partial List of Liberal Scandals Over the Last 12 Years:

1. Cancelling the Sea King replacement - malfunctions, needless deaths of CDN forces members
2. Sponsorship scandal
3. Gun Registry
4. HRDC boondoggle
5. Problems with Transition Job Funds program
6. Tainted blood
7. Radwanski Spending Affair
8. Pearson Airport
9. GST Flip Flop
10. Airbus Investigation
11. Voting against Red Book promise of independent Ethics Commissioner
12. Irving fishing lodge stays/travel on Irving jets for cabinet ministers
13. Martin traveling on private corporate jets as Finance Minister
14. Don Boudrias stay at Boulay owned chalet
15. Denis Coderre staying with Boulay
16. Alfonso Gagliano being appointed Ambassador to Denmark
17. Shawinigate
18. Claude Gauthier (PMs friend)s Transelec getting CIDA grant that was questioned by the Auditor General and even CIDA.
19. Liberal fundraiser Pierre Corbeil charged with fraud by RCMP after he approached several Quebec companies seeking federal job training grants and asking for payments to Liberal Party, having gotten the names from senior Quebec Liberal Minister, Marcel Mass.
20. Michel Dupuy, Heritage Minister, lobbying the CRTC.
21. Tom Wappel refusing to help blind veteran
22. Gaglianos son benefiting from contracts from his fathers department
23. Gaglianos former speechwriter, Michle Tremblay was on a $5,000 a month retainer with the Canada Lands Company to provide speeches for the Minister. Former President John Grant let her go saying we got nothing in return. Grant claimed that all Crown Corporations reporting to Mr. Gagliano were told to put Ms. Tremblay on a monthly retainer.
24. Iltis replacement
25. Purchase of new Challenger jets for the Prime Minister and cabinet
26. NATO Flying Training program contract
27. Liberal friends appointed as IRB judges being investigated by RCMP
28. Hedy Frys imaginary burning crosses
29. Maria Minnas improper municipal vote
30. Minna giving contracts to two former campaign staffers for public relations work for a conference that had already been held
31. Lawrence MacAulay and contracts directed to Holland College
32. Lawrence MacAulay and Tim Banks
33. Lawrence MacAulay hired his official agent, Everett Roche, for $70K, but Roche never did any work for it. (Oct 2002)
34. Art Eggleton and contracts to his ex-girlfriend
35. Copps aide Boyers spending habits
36. Collenette resigns for breach of ethical guidelines involving a letter he wrote to the Immigration and Refugee Board
37. APEC Inquiry
38. Andy Scott's 1998 resignation that came eight weeks too late, after a media circus wore him down for indiscreetly shooting his mouth off on an airplane.
39. Anti-American comments by Liberal MPs, officials, and the former Minister of Natural Resources.
40. Rock and the Apotex/Cipro affair
41. Rock giving Health Canada contract to car cleaning company.
42. Manley lobbying CIBC on behalf of Rod Bryden
43. Manleys fundraiser suggesting donors to his leadership write it off as a business expense.
44. Manley using his pre-budget consultations as Minister of Finance to solicit support for his leadership bid.
45. Coderres relationship with Group Everest
46. Martins fundraiser/employee of Finance Jim Palmer
47. Martins blind trust and his relationship with CSL.
48. Gerry Byrne requesting fundraising money be sent to his home address, with no records kept.
49. Gerry Byrne pouring bulk of ACOA money into his own riding.
50. Virginia Fontaine Addictions Foundation
51. Prime Ministers former assistant, Denise Tremblays huge travel expenses on Veterans Review and Appeal Board as Minister pleaded poverty to veterans widows.
52. Chrtien appointing Hon. Roger Simmons (former Trudeau minister convicted of income tax evasion) as Consul-General in Seattle
53. Chrtien trying to bring hit-and-run driver Carignan back into caucus.
54. The RCMP is investigating possible fraud and bribery within Industry Canada, involving possible "overpayments" to recipients of federal business grants. The probe centres on the National Research Council, which hands out federal grants to small- and medium-sized businesses.
55. More than half a dozen bureaucrats have been "removed" from their jobs at a Human Resources Development Canada (HRDC) in Toronto following a police investigation into projects funded under one of the department's grants and contributions programs
56. Revenue Minister Elinor Caplan called in the RCMP and ordered a sweeping security review after four tax department computers were stolen containing confidential personal information on more than 120,000 Canadians.
57. More than $7 billion stashed in Foundations by Finance Minister Paul Martin with little or no accountability
58. Dhaliwal overseing Richmond-airport-Vancouver transit line while being owner of the airport limousine service
59. Tom Rosser, former Dhaliwal advisor lobbying Natural Resources department and minister on environmental issues only months after leaving government.
60. $5.3 million GG northern travel
61. GG budget doubles in 5 years
62. Robert Thibault giving a grant as ACOA minister to a wharf and boatyard where his brother-in-law has a monopoly.
63. Royal LePage contract, which the government was forced to cancel in the wake of serious concerns being raised.
64. Shutting down the Somalia Inquiry
65. Home heating rebate, which was sent to prisoners and deceased.
66. Martin firing Bernard Dussault, Chief Actuary of CPP
67. Ethel Blondin-Andrew buys fur coat on government credit card
68. Chrtiens imaginary homeless friend.
69. Liberal MP Rick Lalibertes extensive travel budget
70. Liberal Senator Thompson living in Mexico
71. Vendetta against former BDC President Franois Beaudoin
72. The flag give-away which estimates suggest might now have cost $45 million instead of the promised $6 million, and reportedly involved fake invoices.
73. Gaglianos two week trip, at taxpayers expense, for a two day event with the head of the Royal Canadian Mint and Maurizio Caruso.
74. Secretary of State for multiculturalism and status of women Sheila Finestone using government car (which junior ministers are only allowed to use for government business) to drive home to Montreal, which even Sheila Copps criticized. (Ottawa Citizen, May 22, 1994)
75. Liberal MP Jag Bhadurias hate mail to his former employers, wishing that they had been shot by killer Marc Lepine
76. Liberal MP Jag Bhaduria making false claims about his academic qualifications.
77. Paul Martin and Maria Minna attending fundraising dinner for group linked to Tamil Tigers in May 2000 (National Post, Sept. 8th, 2001).
78. David Anderson, as National Revenue Minister, suing the government for lost wages after being removed as IRB appointee by Conservative government seeking $454,000 from a deficit-ravaged federal treasury. (Vancouver Sun, July 24, 2004). Anderson eventually agreed to drop the suit.
79. David Anderson suggesting that the BC doesnt need extra House of Commons seats, because they wouldn't be worth much given the poor quality of most West Coast MPs. (Vancouver Sun, July 24, 2004)
80. A consultant on an executive interchange program persuaded Natural Resources to undertake a $700-million reorganization of its research facilities for which no business case had been made. The program was fast-tracked because he had developed a social relationship with the deputy minister. He was eventually charged with diverting $525,000 to a numbered company he controlled. (Globe and Mail, May 30, 2005)

And the list continues under Prime Minister Martin:

81. Raid on reporter Juliet ONeills home by RCMP
82. Permanent Resident Cards
83. Judy Sgro going on vacation as cards became mandatory and landed immigrants were left stranded
84. Minister Frullas renovations
85. Pay raises for chiefs-of-staff in ministers offices, while spending is frozen for public service.
86. The governments changing numbers on how much money has gone to CSL
87. Lobbyists in Paul Martins transition team being allowed to return to lobbying immediately, after being involved in process of picking new cabinet and senior staff.
88. Minister Comuzzis anti-Quebec comments
89. Martin government using closure after only six days in the House of Commons, followed by using time allocation in the Senate.
90. Problems with DNDs contracts with Compaq Computers that may have cost taxpayers up to $159 million for work not performed.
91. Martin using government jets to tour the country campaigning before election, spending up to $1 million for air travel alone.
92. Martins relationship with Earnscliffe
93. Questionable contracts to Earnscliffe
94. The appointment of former Liberal MLA Howard Sapers as the Correctional Investigator of Canada
95. Pierre Pettigrews flip flopping on health care
96. David Dingwalls expenses as head of Royal Canadian Mint
97. Liberals planning to give David Dingwall a severance package after he resigned
98. The secret National Unity Fund reserve
99. Calling an early election after earlier promising first to get to the bottom of the sponsorship scandal
100. Martin suggesting changes to legislation and introducing bill that benefited CSL, despite concerns from his own Deputy Minister that he was in a conflict-of-interest (Ottawa Citizen, May 26, 2004)
101. $99 million Public Works contract that went to company overseen by Liberal fundraiser and future Senator Paul Massicotte (Montreal Gazette, June 26, 2004)
102. Parliamentary Secretary Dan McTeagues 3-person, $224 trip to a Pizzeria
103. Immigration Minister Judy Sgros staff being allowed to stay on extended travel benefits, letting them bill taxpayers for thousands of dollars in hotel rooms and meals, because they didnt want to move from Toronto to Ottawa until after the election.
104. Correctional Service of Canada Commissioner Lucie McClungs travel expenses
105. Contracting irregularities on more than two dozen projects at DND worth tens of millions of dollars, showing over-billing, profit excesses, unauthorized additional work, lack of accounting records, spiralling cost overruns, etc. (Globe and Mail, July 14, 2004).
106. ACOA Minister Joe McGuire canceling ACOA loan and grant to ABL Industries Inc. because it would compete with company in his riding. (Fredericton Daily Gleaner, July 17, 2004).
107. Andy Mitchells chief of staffs $22,000 in expenses to commute to Ottawa (Toronto Star, August 2, 2004).
108. Andr Ouellets travel and hospitality expenses at Canada Post.
109. Government delaying release of audit on Ouellet until after the election (Globe and Mail, July 31, 2004).
110. Martins principle secretary Francis Foxs sister getting untendered contracts (The Province, July 27, 2004).
111. Continuing problems in advertising files at Public Works (Ottawa Sun, July 26, 2004).
112. A Liberal Party of Canada fundraising letter signed by Paul Martin, asking potential contributors to offer $7,000, $7,100 or $7,200 in contributions far in excess of donation limits passed by the very same Liberal government
113. Liberal Senator Raymond Lavigne violating municipal bylaws. Municipality pursuing legal action against him. (Ottawa Citizen, August 19, 2004).
114. Spa Days for inmates approved by the Correctional Service of Canada, which on Aug. 21 invited inmates at the Grand Valley Institution for Women in Kitchener, Ont., to dabble with manicures, pedicures and aromatherapy, not to mention cups of tea served in fine china, all accompanied by a harp serenade. (National Post, September 9, 2004).
115. Five employees in the ''overwhelmed'' immigration section of Canada's embassy in Iran have been fired over the past year after they each were caught breaching federal ethics rules (National Post, September 13, 2004).
116. Questionable contracts and spending from the Canada Investment and Savings group set up by Martin in 1996 (Globe and Mail, September 13, 2004)
117. Questionable contracting practices at Canada Information Office (The Hill Times, September 13, 2004).
118. A top Canadian diplomat based in China has resigned amid reports he is being investigated for allegedly taking bribes to help Chinese nationals enter Canada illegally. (Vancouver Sun, September 22, 2004).
119. Abuse of government credit cards by staff at Fisheries Department (CP Wire, September 24, 2004).
120. Canadas questionable hiring of the niece of Syria's foreign affairs minister to work at the embassy in Damascus (Globe and Mail, October 5, 2004)
121. Hlne Scherrer using Challenger to fly to Banff during election to give partisan speech
122. Abuse of Challengers by Paul Martin and various ministers (eg. Andy Mitchell, Claudette Bradshaw)
123. Abuse of Challenger jets for political business instead of government business (Le Devoir, October 4, 2005)
124. Paul Martin taking Challenger jets to Liberal fundraisers
125. Challenger food bill of $508 per flight
126. Expenses during election filed by aide to Ralph Goodale
127. Questionable expenses during election filed by aides to Judy Sgro
128. Ongoing problems and safety concerns with the submarine program
129. Various federal departments reported in excess of $1.1 million in theft of computers in 2003, but the information is potentially more valuable than the hardware (Vancouver Sun, October 14, 2004).
130. According to the latest public-accounts-of-Canada reports for the period March 2004 and March 2005, over 700 laptops, desktops and central processing units went missing from 35 federal government agencies -- worth $6 million. (The Province, October 19, 2005)
131. Federal government has lost track of $587 million a year in EI overpayments and underpayments at the Department of Human Resources. (Ottawa Citizen, October 12, 2004). However, the government defends itself by stating that in fact it has only lost track of $25 million a year and collects the other overpayments. (Ottawa Citizen, October 13, 2004)
132. $133,000 grant to a Toronto film company that used classified ads to search for the "perfect" penis. (National Post, October 14, 2004).
133. Man convicted of fraud against government hired to teach ethics course to public servants (National Post, October 20, 2004).
134. Public Works selling confiscated grow-op equipment to drug traffickers. (National Post, October 21, 2004).
135. Pressure by Liberal MPs and ministers on ACOA to make funding decisions based on politics (New Brunswick Telegraph Journal, October 25, 2004).
136. Paul Martins Director of Communications Scott Reid insulting Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador (Toronto Star, October 28, 2004)
137. The Martin government spent $127,223 on a poll last February testing ways to diffuse negative reaction to the bombshell auditor-general's report -- which included the finding the Liberals ignored their own rules prohibiting the use of tax dollars on partisan polls (Vancouver Sun, November 8, 2004).
138. Judy Sgros campaign volunteer (a stripper) getting ministerial permit
139. Sgros senior policy advisor going to strip club to meet with owner to discuss bringing more strippers into Canada. (National Post, November 25, 2004). Subsequent revelations indicate that he went to at least one other strip club to conduct similar meetings (Toronto Sun, December 7, 2004)
140. Sgro giving out details of private immigration files, violating Privacy Act
141. Allegations that Sgro broke the elections law in failing to properly identify the source of a campaign contribution. (Toronto Star, December 8, 2004).
142. Revelations that the program to bring in foreign exotic dancers was created under pressure from organized crime (National Post, December 18, 2004)
143. Irwin Cotler appointing his former chief-of-staff to federal court (National Post, November 23, 2004).
144. Heritage Minister Liza Frulla giving grant to magazine that put her on the cover and made her honourary president (Ottawa Citizen, November 25, 2004)
145. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointing Liberal MP John Harvard as Lt-Governor of Manitoba, in order to get him to step aside for star candidate Glen Murray.
146. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointing Liberal MP Yvon Charbonneau to UNESCO, in order to get him to step aside for Martin crony Pablo Rodriguez.
147. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointing former Liberal MP Karen Kraft-Sloan as Ambassador for the Environment. (Department of Foreign Affairs Press Release, February 16, 2005).
148. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointing defeated Liberal candidate Dave Haggard as the chair of a newly created Advisory Committee on Apprenticeship. (OIC 2005-0001)
149. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointed his friend Dennis Dawson to the Senate
150. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointed his former Principal Secretary Francis Fox to the Senate
151. Despite promising an end to cronyism and patronage, Martin appointed disgraced former cabinet minister Art Eggleton to the Senate
152. Martin and his wife complaining about having to live in 24 Sussex (Edmonton Journal, November 17, 2004)
153. Millennium Bureau spending done with same lack of controls and oversight of sponsorship program
154. The RCMP has charged a senior Immigration Canada manager and four accomplices in an alleged bribes-for-status scheme in which Arab immigrants paid up to $25,000 to have their claims fast-tracked and approved (National Post, December 17, 2004)
155. Making widows of RCMP officers killed in the line of duty pay for their husbands funerals (Under pressure from the Conservative Party, the government reversed this policy)
156. Martin patronage-appointee Jim Walsh breaking ethics guidelines and attending Liberal Christmas Party (St. Johns Telegram, January 20, 2005).
157. Port authority losing more than $60,000 in public funds on the stock market. When Central Cape Breton Community Ventures took over the port in Iona in 2000, the private agency deposited only $5,000 of the $245,000 it received from Transport Canada into a designated bank account. The federal funding was meant to cover the port's maintenance, insurance and professional services costs (Chronicle-Herald, January 31, 2005).
158. Canadian flag lapel pins being made in China. Only under pressure, Scott Brison flip flops and agrees to have them made in Canada again.
159. Questionable dealings around the privatization of the Digby Wharf, which even Liberal MP Robert Thibault wants the RCMP to investigate (Chronicle-Herald, February 10, 2005).
160. Adrienne Clarkson spending $17,500 to evaluate cleaning at Rideau Hall (Ottawa Sun, February 19, 2005)
161. Martin patronage appointee Glen Murray breaking ethics guidelines and attending Liberal Convention as delegate
162. Martin ignoring parliamentary committee and appointing Glen Murray as chair of the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy
163. Marlene Jennings, the Parliamentary Secretary for Canada-U.S. relations, making anti-American remarks
164. Government knowing about details of torture and murder of Zahra Kazemi back in November and still sending ambassador back to Iran
165. Government knowing about details of torture and murder of Zahra Kazemi back in November but doing nothing
166. Tens of thousands of dollars were spent on questionable acquisitions at CFB Borden (Ottawa Sun, April 18, 2005).
167. Joe Volpe keeping stripper visa program operating, despite having promised to shut it down (CTV.ca, March 5, 2005)
168. Jean Lapierre acting as lobbyist without registering
169. Joe Volpe trying to intimidating Sikh community
170. In the spring of 2003, the RCMP investigated allegations that Liberal MP Gurbax Malhi had requested favours and financial support for Paul Martin's 2003 leadership campaign in exchange for helping Indian nationals get these temporary resident permits (Globe and Mail, March 10, 2005).
171. Liberals spending $443,237 to change the name Passport Office to Passport Canada (Montreal Gazette, April 21, 2005).
172. Ken Drydens chief of staff charged with careless driving (Ottawa Citizen, March 22, 2005)
173. Liberals trying to buy off Conservative MPs with offers of patronage positions
174. Liberals handling of the submarine program
175. Public Service Integrity Officers travel expenses (Ottawa Sun, May 4, 2005)
176. Liberal Senator Michel Biron going to hearing to support killer Karla Homolka (CTV News, June 9, 2005)
177. Public Works contract watchdog Consulting and Audit Canada violating contracting rules (Toronto Star, July 4, 2005)
178. Technology Partnerships Canada rules being violated to pay lobbyists (Globe and Mail, June 24, 2005)
179. Former Indian and Northern Affairs Minister Robert Nault is working as a paid lobbyist for Nelson House First Nation in what some allege is an apparent violation of a federal code of conduct. Among the federal departments Nault is lobbying is the Indian and Northern Affairs department he headed until December 2003, according to a lobbying report Nault filed with the federal government. Nault registered as a lobbyist for Nelson House, now known as Nisichawayasihk Cree Nation, on July 18, 2005 -- one year and seven months after leaving his cabinet post. Under the Conflict of Interest and Post-Employment Code for Public Office Holders, Nault is barred from working for any entity with which his department had "direct and significant official dealings" for two years after leaving office. He is also barred for two years from lobbying his former department or any of his former cabinet colleagues (Winnipeg Free Press, September 14, 2005)
180. According to documents obtained by the Globe and Mail, Pierre Pettigrew billed Canadian taxpayers for $10,000 for trips for his driver in 2001 and 2002. Pettigrew took his driver to South America and Europe, even though the driver didnt do any driving on the trips. (Globe and Mail, September 14, 2005)
181. Joe Volpes questionable hospitality expenses (Globe and Mail, September 21, 2005)
182. According to media reports, Industry Canada has frozen federal financing for research projects by an Ontario biotechnology firm pending the outcome of an investigation into the company's agreement to pay $350,000 in lobbying success fees to former Liberal cabinet minister David Dingwall. Such contingency fee payments violate Technology Partnership Canada rules. (Globe and Mail, September 23, 2005)
183. Expenses of chairman of the Royal Canadian Mint Emmanuel Triassi, who also approved David Dingwalls expenses (Globe and Mail, October 4, 2005)
184. Last week, Public Works was also silent on details of another case involving forensic accounting. Government accounts published on Thursday showed a department employee had embezzled $3.45 million from Public Works office in Koblenz, Germany. Even though the employee was convicted and jailed in Germany, Public Works will not name him or give any details of the crime (Ottawa Citizen, October 4, 2005)
185. The federal government inadvertently revealed yesterday that it is conducting a large-scale forensic accounting probe into "possibly criminal matters" when it published details of a contract intended for a Quebec accounting firm. The notice awarding a $2-million contract for forensic accounting services was published on the government's tendering website, MERX. It gave notice that Consulting and Audit Canada was planning to award the sole-source contract to Leclerc Juricomptable, a Quebec City firm specializing in forensic work and litigation support. The contract award notice said the work had to be sole-sourced to Leclerc because it is "not in the public interest to jeopardize the current investment in the investigation or to significantly increase the risk to a successful completion of the investigation into possibly criminal matters." A spokesman for the Department of PublicWorks and Government Services said yesterday that the notice was published "prematurely" and would be withdrawn last night. He could not say, however, what is under investigation, but said the contract was not tied to another scandal that has kept Quebec forensic accountants busy over the past years. "It's not related to sponsorship or Gomery, that I can tell you," said spokesman Pierre Teotonio (Ottawa Citizen, October 4, 2005). It was subsequently revealed that the department involved was CIDA (CP Wire, October 4, 2005)
186. Questions about campaign funds from Raymond Chans campaign going to his companies (Vancouver Sun, October 7, 2005)
187. Questions about a possible conflict-of-interest between Chans activities as minister on behalf of possible business associates (Vancouver Sun, October 7, 2005)
188. Questions about the report that Chan filed with the Ethics Commissioner (Vancouver Sun, October 7, 2005)
189. Government giving out contract that specifies no paper trail to be left in government offices (Vancouver Province, October 11, 2005)
190. Questionable travel expenses at the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (CP, October 16, 2005)
191. Two employees at DFO fired for making fraudulent travel claims (CP, The Province, October 18, 2005).
192. Lobbyist registrar Michael Nelson has launched investigations of four people for eight possible breaches of the ethics guidelines for lobbyists, the first such investigations ever launched under the code. (Globe and Mail, October 18, 2005)
193. According to media reports, the federal government has terminated two contracts with a consulting firm that used to be run by Liberal MP David Smith and now run by his wife, following a forensic audit of the contracting practices at a federal agency (Globe and Mail, October 19, 2005)
194. ATI requests by prisoners for information on prison system and guards, when information is actually disclosed
195. Liberal candidate Richard Mahoney lobbying for satellite radio company for a month before registering (Ottawa Citizen, October 19, 2005)
196. Delays and ballooning costs mean a giant software project at National Defence will eclipse its original budget and won't meet its goals until 2011 -- if at all. An internal audit obtained by Canadian Press raises red flags about a new system designed to streamline computer tracking of military inventory and purchases. MASIS -- or Materiel Acquisition Support Information System -- started in 1997 as a $147-million undertaking. What began as a focused effort to cover a single equipment category in each of the navy, army and air force soon mushroomed. By 2003, Defence officials estimated MASIS would be in place by 2006 at a cost of $325 million, more than twice its forecast budget. A full introduction of the complex software has now been extended to 2011. The heavily censored May 2005 internal audit, released under the Access to Information Act, catalogues a litany of "revised planned milestones.'' "The prime contract has been amended six times, each time increasing amounts for professional service fees,'' it says. (CP, The Record, October 24, 2005)
197. Hospitality and travel expenses of executives at CMHC (Journal de Montral, October 24, 2005)
198. Questions about Squamish land deal lease (The Province, October 26, 2005)
199. Liberals handling of tainted water at Kashechewan First Nation
200. Mirabel land seizures
201. Questions about abuse of money for Montreal Aquatics Games (La Tribune, January 21, 2005)
202. Government buying building with leaks and toxic mold and spending almost as much on renovations as they spent to buy. In March, 2003, Ottawa bought the seven-tower complex for $91 million. The government is now in the midst of spending $82 million to renovate the Skyline Complex. (Click here to view)
203. Questions about use of government credit cards by Parks Canada employees (Ottawa Citizen, November 9, 2005)
204. Liberal candidate linked to disappearance over $600,000 from the Keeseecoose First Nations education account (Ottawa Sun, November 17, 2005)
205. Defence Department under John McCallum giving a verbal contract to Liberal Party pollster (La Presse, November 23, 2005)
206. Scott Brison telling constituent to kiss my ass (Chronicle-Herald, November 23, 2005)
 

Chris

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by silver1
Could you at least post a link to the anti-liberal website that you copied and pasted that from?
I wish I had it, probably from the PC site, it was emailed to me. Regardless of what you may think, as much as it turns my stomach, I will be casting my vote for the Liberals. I have to support my bro Bill Graham after all.
 

Chris

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by Bass-Invader
As prepared by former conservative MP Keith Beardsley and Conservative Research Bureau member Jason Plotz .
Is that where its from?
 

AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by 2canplay
Eh, where's Adrian? I remember him spouting Fraser Institute studies last year that Conservatives would reduce income taxes while boosting sales taxes as the most efficient way to eran tax revenues.
First of all, the discussion was related to eliminating the Ontario capital tax. I did not "spout" Fraser Institute studies, I simply referenced one of their studies for information on the amount of capital tax collected in Canadian provinces.

Second, I still contend that capital taxes are an inefficient means of raising revenue, but I never suggested that sales taxes be increased (either federally or provincially). The Conservative Party (either federally or provincially) has never included a sales tax increase in their platform.

I believe the federal government should aim to reduce all forms of taxation including income taxes and sales taxes.
 

freshest1

TRIBE Member
Here the article:


CTV.ca Special Report
Election 2006

Reports from the trail, analysis, latest video, interatives and Weblogs.

Where they stand.

See where each party stands on taxes, including the GST.

The Leaders

Meet the men who want to win your vote to become Canada's next prime minister.

Tory tax cut promise dominates campaign day 3
CTV.ca News Staff

Tax cuts are top of mind today, after Conservative leader Stephen Harper announced his party's plan to slash the much-maligned GST.

Harper made the announcement to a crowd of supporters in Mississauga, Ont. Thursday morning.

"I believe that all taxes are bad," Harper said as he outlined the Conservative pledge to slash the Goods and Services Tax by two per cent over five years. "Better taxes are lower taxes."

Tory Leader Stephen Harper announced that if Canadians elect a Conservative government on Jan. 23, his party would reduce the GST by one per cent immediately.

Then, another one per cent would be shaved off in the following four years -- ultimately bringing the GST down to five per cent.

Harper said the immediate cut would result in $4.5 billion every year going back into the pockets of Canadians. An average family of four with an income of $60,000 a year would save about $400 annually as part of the proposal.

"When the GST cut is fully implemented, the total benefit will be much greater," said Harper.

"The purpose of this tax cut is to provide broadly based, progressive, fair tax relief to every single Canadian," Harper told reporters in the crowd gathered at a suburban electronics outlet west of Toronto.

Coming just as many Canadians are preparing for a busy season of holiday shopping, the issue is a potentially popular one.

It also has the added bonus, for the opposition parties at least, of placing the minority Liberals in the awkward position of having to defend a tax they once vowed to abolish altogether.

The tax Canadians famously love to hate was introduced by the Tory government of former prime minister Brian Mulroney in 1991. Two years later, the Liberals won power from Mulroney's Conservatives partly thanks to their pledge to scrap the tax.

Citing the massive budget deficit, however, Liberals reneged on their promise after taking Jean Chretien moved into the Prime Minister's Office.

According to Harper, in the 12 years since the amount of money government has collected in GST, "has increased by 100 per cent."

"It has doubled. Has your income doubled? Have government services doubled? Canadians have a right to ask where the doubled GST revenue is being spent."

He criticized the Liberal government for providing "benefits for the few" despite enjoying a surplus of $63 billion in the last eight years.

"Government has money to waste, government has money to steal, government has money to spend on benefits for a few. It's time for benefits for mainstream Canadians, hard-working people who pay their taxes and play by the rules."

A 'Clear Choice'

Martin, whose Liberals unveiled a five-year, $30-billion income tax-cut plan before the election was called, said Thursday that cutting the GST would be wrong.

Instead, he said his party is focused on "more sensible" suggestions.

"Now we have a very clear choice between two plans: and I believe that mine is more fair, particularly for the middle class," he told reporters in Montreal. "We want middle class Canadians to keep more of their paycheques. We think it's fair and more equitable."

Martin added that he's not simply promising tax cuts, but has also vowed to raise old age security pensions as well as energy rebates for Canadians who earn lower incomes.

But when the prime minister was asked if he would consider cutting the GST, he was blunt: "I don't believe that is the path to follow."

"Canadians have been down this road before, they've heard this story. I believe, unequivocally, we should focus on cutting personal income tax, particularly for the middle class."

Campaigning in Oshawa, Ontario, NDP Leader Jack Layton suggested that both his rivals are focused on the "wrong priorities."

"Deep tax cuts, right now, are not what Canadians are looking for," Layton told reporters. "What they are looking for is to protect our health-care system, to make sure post-secondary education is available and affordable."

Visiting ridings in the community east of Toronto where his party lost close contests during the last election, Layton instead chose to aim his campaign message at bracing for 3,000 job cuts at General Motors there.

For his part, Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe said he would need to see more details on the Tory proposal before he could comment.

But he told reporters in Laval that a blanket GST reduction plan would end up hurting revenues in Quebec, and that such a plan fails to recognize the "fiscal imbalance" that exists between Ottawa and the provinces.

He said the Bloc also wants provinces to get more taxation powers, and that he wants to see how the Conservative plan would affect that.

Duceppe said the Bloc's position on the GST is to abolish it on some goods -- such as children's clothing and on books. "Because when we tax books, we tax knowledge," he said.

Struggle to set agenda

One day after the Bloc released its campaign platform, however, Duceppe was more consumed by questions relating to his party's proposal for fielding national teams at international sporting events.

I would like to see the same rules as those applying to Scotland or Wales or Northern Ireland,'' Duceppe said during a news conference.

"They have their own players in the soccer World Cup or the rugby World Cup. If it's possible in Great Britain, it could be possible in Canada.''

In his second-straight day in the election battleground of Quebec, Martin poked fun at the Bloc suggestion.

I suppose that goes with his army and his spies," he joked, referring to Duceppe's sovereignty wish list said to include an independent Quebec army and intelligence service.

Layton, meanwhile, used his appearance in Oshawa to outline the NDP's four-point strategy to help the ailing auto industry.

Improved border links between Canada and the U.S., as well as expanded free-trade talks with Japan and Korea are crucial, he said.

Calling for government subsidies to help automakers with research, development and retooling for the production of more energy-efficient vehicles, Layton said he would make the plan a condition of supporting any minority government.

But the campaign story dominating newscasts and water cooler conversation was the one started by Harper.

"We've had thousands of hits on the website today on this, and we've tracked all the political stories," lead Globeandmail.com writer Jeff Sallot told CTV's Mike Duffy Live.

Surveying traffic on the paper's website, Sallot said the GST story has by far attracted more clicks than any other.

"This is the water cooler story of the campaign so far -- even more so than the Quebec separatist hockey team, unbelievably."

After faltering in the early days, it's likely a welcome turnaround for the Conservative leader who on the first full day of campaigning touched off a firestorm when he restated his promise to ban future same-sex marriages if that's the will expressed in a free vote in the Commons.

The following day, Harper's call for the creation of a special prosecutor charged with investigating politically sensitive federal crimes revealed differences with his No. 2.

In a back-and-forth that overshadowed the main Conservative campaign message as the same-sex comment had done the day before, Harper and Conservative Deputy leader Peter MacKay contradicted one another on the issue.

For Strategic Counsel pollster Allan Gregg, Harper's success with the GST proposal could foreshadow a winning formula for controlling the debate and perhaps the campaign.

"The conventional wisdom is that issues do not drive voting choice," Gregg said on CTV's Mike Duffy Live. "But in Stephen Harper's instance, I think that policy is his absolute best defence against a personality that people really haven't been drawn to."

"By doing lots of policy, especially doing economic policy, I think Harper is appealing to his strengths right now."

As for the merits of slashing the GST, though it would be popular move the verdict's out on whether it would be a sensible one.

Heading into the holiday season, the idea of consumers paying less GST is a happy thought for Future Shop salesman Jafra Husein.

"As a retailer we love it," he told CTV News. "It motivates the buyer."

But some economists say the promise could turn out to be a bit of good politics, leading to an ultimately bad policy.

Bruce Anderson of Decima Research told The Canadian Press that cutting the GST may not add up as nicely as it sounds.

"Canadians have in the past felt somewhat more drawn to a GST cut than an income tax cut because they saw it as being more visible, and potentially more rewarding," he said.

But in light of budget surpluses that make tax cuts a possibility, "it's not so clear that they would favour the consumption (tax cut) over the income tax cut, especially if there were a vigorous debate about the economic advantages of one or the other."

Among the criticisms levelled at the GST cut is the disportionate 'savings' it would afford people who spend more. Lower-income Canadians, because they're not spending as much, would not realize as much savings.
 

2canplay

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Harper's a complete tool:


Economists dump on Harper's GST-lowering plan
Last Updated Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:18:13 EST
CBC News

Some economists have come out against Conservative Leader Stephen Harper's election campaign promise to lower the GST.

"From an economic point of view, it wouldn't be my first choice," Bill Robson, senior vice-president of the CD Howe Institute, told CBC Newsworld on Thursday.

"If you want tax cuts that are going to promote work, going to promote saving, help us invest more and raise living standards in the future, the GST is not the tax you would go after."

Robson said it would be better to cut personal income taxes.

Earlier in the day, Harper announced he would lower the seven per cent goods and services tax by one percentage point immediately and by another point within five years if he becomes prime minister after the Jan. 23 vote.

Jim Davies, who teaches economics at the University of Western Ontario in London, also said he would prefer income tax cuts.

"Most serious work done by economists who specialize in public finance indicates that the GST is a more efficient tax source than the income tax," Davies told the Canadian Press. "If the income tax cut is designed properly, it can provide similar benefit to lower-income taxpayers."

"Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid," he said.

The Liberal party also challenged Harper's mathematics.

The Conservative leader said that for an average family of four with an income of $60,000 a year, the GST reduction would mean about $400 less in taxes.

Liberals said first-year savings would be closer to $250, based on Statistics Canada numbers indicating a typical family earning $60,000 makes taxable purchases worth about $25,000 a year.

But John Williamson, head of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, came to Harper's defence.

"I think it's a fine idea," Williamson said of Harper's plan. " A lot of economists are suggesting that is it an unacceptable tax cut and I don't think anything could be further from the truth."

He said economists are evaluating the Conservatives' tax plan differently than the Liberals' tax plan.

Williamson said that when the Liberal plan came out to reduce personal income taxes, there was no talk among economists about whether their specific proposals were the best ideas.

"They are looking at the Conservative plan at what is the best tax cut measure and they are not doing the same for the Liberal tax cut plan."

He agreed, though, that the preference is to cut income taxes, but added he is waiting to see more tax cut proposals from the Conservatives.
 

Hamza

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Originally posted by freshest1
I just read that they are pitching 5% GST, a 2% cut. Still not enough to get me to vote for the dorks

they could get rid of the gst and I wouldn't vote for them
 

deafplayer

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Originally posted by freshest1
"I believe that all taxes are bad," Harper said as he outlined the Conservative pledge to slash the Goods and Services Tax by two per cent over five years. "Better taxes are lower taxes."
...and better corporate revenues are lower corporate revenues! *crowd cheers*
and better personal incomes are lower personal incomes! *crowd cheers*
"Canadians have a right to ask where the doubled GST revenue is being spent."
... uh... but before they do so... we should start cutting it immediately. Its the conservative thing to do.
"The purpose of this tax cut is to provide broadly based, progressive, fair tax relief to every single Canadian," Harper told reporters in the crowd gathered at a suburban electronics outlet west of Toronto.
...
He criticized the Liberal government for providing "benefits for the few" despite enjoying a surplus of $63 billion in the last eight years.
"Government has money to waste, government has money to steal, government has money to spend on benefits for a few. It's time for benefits for mainstream Canadians, hard-working people who pay their taxes and play by the rules."
......hmmm.... whats this in the very last (#40-something?) paragraph of the article?
Among the criticisms levelled at the GST cut is the disportionate 'savings' it would afford people who spend more. Lower-income Canadians, because they're not spending as much, would not realize as much savings.
well at least we have the NDP....
Layton, meanwhile, used his appearance in Oshawa to outline the NDP's four-point strategy to help the ailing auto industry.
Improved border links between Canada and the U.S., as well as expanded free-trade talks with Japan and Korea are crucial, he said.
Calling for government subsidies to help automakers with research, development and retooling for the production of more energy-efficient vehicles, Layton said he would make the plan a condition of supporting any minority government.
....
"The conventional wisdom is that issues do not drive voting choice," Gregg said on CTV's Mike Duffy Live. "But in Stephen Harper's instance, I think that policy is his absolute best defence against a personality that people really haven't been drawn to."
*gives up on mainstream politics*
 
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Bass-Invader

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Originally posted by freshest1

He criticized the Liberal government for providing "benefits for the few" despite enjoying a surplus of $63 billion in the last eight years.
This is such bullshit it's not even funny. He got rid of a $42 billion dollar deficit, payed down $36 billion in debt and lowered taxes by $100 billion over 5 years. What planet is he living on where we aren't benefitting from that?
 

judge wopner

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Originally posted by Bass-Invader
This is such bullshit it's not even funny. He got rid of a $42 billion dollar deficit, payed down $36 billion in debt and lowered taxes by $100 billion over 5 years. What planet is he living on where we aren't benefitting from that?
math is ideology in polotics, dont let the numbers fool you.

consider debt reduction in the face of transfer costs taken away from the provences and the passing of costs and responsibility to municipalities.

how can the feds boast of surpluses while some of the wealthiest provences like ontario and quebec have massive deficits and are in the process of enacting legislation to allow cities like toronto to up taxes.

how easy is it to claim the economy is doing well :

during the past 3 years the stock market has been on a bull run, the price of oil and gold have sky rocketed, our dollar is very strong which all have tremendous benefits for our economy. but these benefits have little to do with the feds in context of the larger global economics and comodity prices. when the dollar was $.60 US, you saw the feds chalking it up to global economics and currency fluctuation, but when it pops to $.85 US, its all them....

:rolleyes:
 

The Watcher

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Originally posted by judge wopner

during the past 3 years the stock market has been on a bull run, the price of oil and gold have sky rocketed, our dollar is very strong which all have tremendous benefits for our economy. but these benefits have little to do with the feds in context of the larger global economics and comodity prices. when the dollar was $.60 US, you saw the feds chalking it up to global economics and currency fluctuation, but when it pops to $.85 US, its all them....

:rolleyes:
although I dont believe the Liberals have made that big of an effect on the dollar, what they have dont is not caused it to go down by joining the war. We'd be sitting with a very different dollar if we had spend billions on the was as the americans were trying to get us to do. And because we didn't and the americans did, their dollar lost alot of points while ours gained.

So in effect, the Liberals indirecly helped our dollar. It's not them that caused the dollar to go up, but they certainly made the right decisions for it to happen naturally.
 

judge wopner

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Originally posted by The Watcher
although I dont believe the Liberals have made that big of an effect on the dollar, what they have dont is not caused it to go down by joining the war. We'd be sitting with a very different dollar if we had spend billions on the was as the americans were trying to get us to do. And because we didn't and the americans did, their dollar lost alot of points while ours gained.

So in effect, the Liberals indirecly helped our dollar. It's not them that caused the dollar to go up, but they certainly made the right decisions for it to happen naturally.
i appreciate what youre saying, im glad we didnt enter the war but i think your rationale is off base.

check this chart of the 2 biggest american stock exchanges, notice the gradual rise over the past 3 years or so.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^GSPC&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=^DJI

the US economy has always pushed up during times of war due to their massive defense sector. canada has a significant amount of weaponry being built domestically for our own and american armed forces use.

the US dollar has been on a decline for some time but has past the euro after the initial surge during its inception. i dont see europe involved in a massvie war.....

some say the US dollar is being dropped on purpose to ease the pain of hteir twin deficits, and canada by many accounts benefits directly every time the price of crude spikes regardless of what we do becasue that black gold we suck from the ground eitherway can go from $40 per barrel to almost double, due to factors very much outside of our control.

id be hesitant to give credit to our government for our relative surge in prosperity the past few years. couple that with my point above about the provences and municipalities being given a heaveir load to carry without enough funding to back it up, id actually fault the feds for their economic managment. whats the point of a surplus or of good federal books when the state of the nation is not just what the federal ledgers read, and how ontario is having to charge more taxes like the health care premium and up municipal property tax to make up for all these gaps.

people shit about gas going up $.25 saying they will be unable to drive if they pay $50 more per month in fuel, but i dont see anyone giving up their cars or moving closer to work because of the $50-100 per month they pay in the health care premium or even more they pay on property tax.

ohhh but the feds will dump a few billion into peoples pockets if the cost of heating goes up to keep people from freezing to death and look like saviours while everythign else increases anyway.....
 

Polymorph

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Ok haven't read this thread, but...

Harper jumps out of the gate with an anti-gay marriage stance... so...Social Policy...I'll vote Against him just on principle... even though my vote is basically a throwaway, whichever way I go, since I live in Gilles Duceppe's riding...

Still, then, hypothetically speaking, Harper pitches a 'reduce the G.S.P.' stance.. ok... to a consumer like me, that looks good, but still..

I tend to vote on Social Policy issues, since, well, the Economy grinds on, regardless...

So fuck you, Harper.
 

dicksherwood

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hopefully harper will keep kicking that anti-gay marriage horse, nothing will turn Canadians stomach more than a threat to repeal entrenched rights, especially in quebec

the gst is a consumption tax, to take advantage of the reduction to save money you have to spend. this is a stupid idea. id rather get the tax cut the liberals are promising, let me decide what to do with the extra money on my paycheck. In some cases the extra 7% on top of the cost maybe be enough to prevent me from buying something...which is never a bad thing. they could help by reducing or eliminating the gst on Canadian made goods though...they allowed to do that?

some people seem to be excited about it though, hopefully the liberals will take some time in the next week to explain to the masses why tax cuts are better, people will figure it out, it'll be forgotten.
 

Bass-Invader

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Conservative Leader Stephen Harper in Burnaby, B.C. on Saturday.
Harper unveils law-and-order agenda
CTV.ca News Staff

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper unveiled his law-and-order agenda today in British Columbia, promising tougher sentences for drug trafficking.

Harper vowed mandatory minimum prison sentences of at least two years for the most serious drug offenders.

He said that crack dealers, marijuana grow operators and crystal meth manufacturers "have to know that if they are caught, they will not get a slap on the wrist."

"They will go to prison," Harper told a crowd in Burnaby, B.C.

"It is a serious crime, and they will do serious time."

He also said he would ban conditional sentences, also known as house arrest, for serious drug crimes. Stiffer fines for dealers and producers will also be implemented.

"We need to target the financial kingpins behind the street-level dealers, and we will," Harper said.

Harper also took aim at the positions held by Liberals and the New Democratic Party on marijuana use.

"A Conservative government will not reintroduce the Liberal plan to decriminalize the possession of marijuana, and we will never endorse the NDP idea of legalizing it outright," the Conservative leader said.

A bill to decriminalize marijuana died when Parliament was dissolved ahead of the election.

On the issue of crystal meth, Harper said his government would make it harder to get hold of the ingredients used in the highly-addictive drug.

"Cough medicines containing pseudoephedrine, a key ingredient of crystal meth, should be placed behind pharmacy counters."

Last summer, the Liberal government introduced tougher penalties for processing, making and trafficking crystal meth.

On the hustings

Meanwhile, NDP Leader Jack Layton also took his campaign to British Columbia on Saturday, where he talked tough on trade and the ongoing softwood lumber dispute with the United States.

"We are strongly in favour of being good neighbours to our American friends, but when they explicitly violate a trade agreement, then we think there have to be consequences -- not just talk," Layton said, flanked by the NDP candidates in B.C.

"Here's what we'll do about it: If the United States doesn't agree to respect its treaty obligations and to refund every penny collected improperly collected in this dispute, we favour a polite, clear, neighbourly warning that Canada is prepared to impose export duties on oil and gas exports to the United States," he said.

Layton is also expected to help former MP Svend Robinson launch his campaign in the riding of Vancouver Centre.

Robinson is set to be acclaimed as the NDP candidate in the riding tomorrow. If so, he will face Liberal MP Hedy Fry in the fight for the riding, which is expected to be one of the most interesting in the campaign.

Fry created a stir when she falsely claimed that crosses were being burned on the lawns in Prince George, B.C.

Robinson tearfully stepped down as MP for Burnaby Douglas in 2004 after admitting to stealing a $50,000 ring for his partner. He pleaded guilty and received a conditional sentence.

Liberal Leader Paul Martin is taking the day off from the hustings.

Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe is expected to introduce new Bloc candidates in Quebec.
WTF Hay guys, weed is bad and you should go to jail for 2 years. WTF
 

2canplay

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Strategically speaking, the Liberals are probably going to want to lay low and keep their cards close to their chest until early January...and then come out swinging.

Two reasons:
1. Given enough rope, Harper may hang himself...there is precedent.
2. If Harper does do well in the first few weeks and pulls out a lead on the Libs, well, that might scare people into making sure they get out and vote.

The last point is really important. If the Liberals are succesful in co-opting the NDP's platform and stealing their votes, the public may sit back in the knowledge that a Liberal-NDP alliance is all but a foregone conclusion, and as a result, not head to the polls. This happened in Ontario in 1990 when Peterson thought he had it in the bag (everyone did) and only 28% came out to vote, 14% of whom were agrieved Union-members!

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Personally, I think a lib-NDP alliance is a good parliament. The last time this happened we got National Health Care...

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