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Good chiropractor downtown?

DJ Doublecross

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Argh, my lower back hurts every day now. Need to figure out how to change this.

Can anyone recommend a good chiro? The closer to Queen/University the better.
 
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DJ Doublecross

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edit: A quick search on tribe sees a lot of people giving flack to chiros and recommending physiotherapists instead.

So other recommendations are welcome. My lower back has started hurting in the past year, and I think it mostly stems from posture-related problems at my job (which is quite physical, not a desk job) but also could be a problem with my bed and general sleeping patterns, as I can feel my back hurting when I go to bed and when I wake up.

Ideally I'd like to retrain my body so it doesn't hurt anymore and I don't have to constantly see a specialist, since I am freelance and don't have medical coverage beyond basic OHIP. I want to learn how to do it myself, although I realize it will take more than one session to start.
 

Lojack

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Do a search for the Canadian Chiro College.. It was on Bayview, but I believed it has moved to Leslie. You can have students, with supervision, at 1/10th of the cost.

BTW, good luck with OHIP, I had two major back surgeries and I can't get covered beyond the minimum. I can get a disabled parking license, but god forbid I need non-surgical attention.....
 

DJ Doublecross

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Hmm thanks I'll look into the Chiro college.

I don't mind paying but that's why I'd rather see someone who can root out the source of the problem and show me how to fix it over time. I don't have any specific problems that cause me to throw my back out or anything, and the pain is never that bad, but I'd rather not go through life with a dull ache in my back. There must be something simple I can change in my behaviour or exercise patterns.
 

acheron

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Chiro is quackery. If you want a solution that will keep you from recurring visits to a Chiropractor and physio isn't your idea of healthcare then something like a class in the Alexander method might be up your alley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Technique

The technique is frequently employed by stage actors as well as people who simply want to learn how to move in ways that don't add or create stress.
 
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deep

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Yes that sounds much less quacky than moving bones about to make things feel better
 

DJ Doublecross

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The Alexander Technique seems like a bit overkill for what I'm looking for. Not saying it doesn't work, but I don't think I want to take 25-50 or more classes to learn to re-think how I approach life in general. I imagine there is probably a fairly simple solution that involves changing something in my routine, doing a few exercises or stretches, etc.

Someone in another thread mentioned the Sports Therapy clinic at Mt. Sinai, which is right beside me. Anyone had any experience there? Since I'm not an athlete suffering from a sports injury, would it be weird to just walk in there? Or is "sports therapy" applied to more musculo-skeletal problems in general?
 

acheron

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You might want to talk to your GP first - he or she can recommend the right specialist to see and the referral should affect the cost in a good way.

I threw my back out a few years ago and my GP referred me to Bloor Jane Physiotherapy & Active Rehabilitation... I ended up going in twice a week for a massage and physio deal ... they also taught me strengthening exercises for the affected area. All in all I think I spent a month and a half at it. I haven't had to go back since - partly because I know my limits now and partly because my back is in better shape than it was thanks to the exercises.
 

Subsonic Chronic

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DJ Doublecross said:
The Alexander Technique seems like a bit overkill for what I'm looking for. Not saying it doesn't work, but I don't think I want to take 25-50 or more classes to learn to re-think how I approach life in general. I imagine there is probably a fairly simple solution that involves changing something in my routine, doing a few exercises or stretches, etc.

There is, and a good physiotherapist should totally be able to help you out. They should be able to analyze the types of movements that you're repeating over the course of the day and adjust your posture/technique so that you're using the right muscles properly and not straining the wrong ones.

Someone in another thread mentioned the Sports Therapy clinic at Mt. Sinai, which is right beside me. Anyone had any experience there? Since I'm not an athlete suffering from a sports injury, would it be weird to just walk in there? Or is "sports therapy" applied to more musculo-skeletal problems in general?

I had booked some appointments with them a few years ago when I broke a collar bone, and even though there wasn't any physiotherapy that I needed, they were quite helpful at making sure that it was healing properly. I don't think it necessarily has to be sports-related but I'm sure if you call and ask they can help you out.
 
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AshG

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acheron said:
Chiro is quackery. If you want a solution that will keep you from recurring visits to a Chiropractor and physio isn't your idea of healthcare then something like a class in the Alexander method might be up your alley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Technique

The technique is frequently employed by stage actors as well as people who simply want to learn how to move in ways that don't add or create stress.

now wait a second - if there's one thing chiro is actually good for, and has been proven to be, its for treating lower back pain.

i'm very much critical of unsubstantiated medical technique and treatments, but a good chiro can be useful in these kinds of cases. to say its quackery isn't really true, as quacks (by definition) pretend to have skill related to medical treatment. chiros go through a great deal of training and tho in the end all of that may not provide much benefit for everyday issues, this training can be put to good use.

a good chiro will work with you, and other medical professionals to form a treatment regime whose aim is to ultimately address the root issue and alleviate the need for treatment at all. but then that's true of any medical professional, regardless of discipline. anything less than this would, i agree, point to quackery.

that said, i've never been to a chiro myself. i can manipulate my back, neck, and various joints to my liking without someone else doing it for me. this often results in decreased muscle tension in the area i'm manipulating and if that means the muscles are allowed to relax and free up, say, a pinched nerve or something, i can't see how that's not efficacy in action. i'm probably doing it all 'wrong' according to what a chiro would say, and so i'm curious actually what a qualfied one would recommend. so.... i too would like some recommendations.
 

kaniz

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Chiro's def are not quakery. Maybe some are, but I've had pretty good success with them in the past. The last one I saw was Dr. Badwell at Queens Park health. He'd use a combination of Chiro, Active Release Therapy, Stretches and exersizes.

For the first bit that I saw him, it was 3x a week, then down to 2x a week, then once a week, then once a month, and then a 'as-needed'. He'd also provide recomendations for stretches / exercizes to do to improve the health of my back, and his general goal was to get me in good enough health that I rarely need to go back to him. You hear allot of people say "Oh, once you goto Chiro, you need to keep going back regularly for the rest of your life" which simply isnt true.

Once every few months I may go in for a 'tune up' so to say, but thats generally a result of me getting lazy in looking after my back myself.

For awhile my back was so bad that after a day of work I couldn't do anything because my lower back and upper right shoulder area would be killing me and was seriously affecting my 'enjoyment of life', after a few treatments with my Chiro, my back was feeling 10x better than it had in years.
 

praktik

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Do a search for the Canadian Chiro College.. It was on Bayview, but I believed it has moved to Leslie. You can have students, with supervision, at 1/10th of the cost.

BTW, good luck with OHIP, I had two major back surgeries and I can't get covered beyond the minimum. I can get a disabled parking license, but god forbid I need non-surgical attention.....


I went to that school for treatment and while I had a great relationship w/ my dude he ended up graduating, and then I got some newb - plus I realized after seeing a proper physio that some of the stuff he had me doing for stretches was maybe aggravating things (he likely would be better now w/ more experience).

So ya, nice and cheap - but they graduate, then you start all over again w/ someone new.

plus they're inexperienced.
 

praktik

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oh and dude, if you're in crisis mode now go for long walks, 40 mins is recommended. Be mindful of posture while you walk - but a long walk followed by a hot shower, some stretching, and maybe even some ice packs later will be a great combo to help give you comfort when things are f*cked.

If you're unsure of how to stretch and dont want to make anything worse cause you're so inflamed there now, just try different stretches of your arms and legs - stretching your limbs gets at your back with low risk as long as you're careful...
 
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agentRC4

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Athletes care find a chiro who does ART.

It is more money but worth the extra expense.

Look up active release techniques on google.

Your other option would be to find a physio who specializes in the Mckenzie back technique.

Or just get you fat ass to the gym and work on your core muscles. :)

remember most treatment will cause pain but it is not harmful to you. Hurt vs. Harm. Sometimes you have to push through the pain to get better.
 

kaniz

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My backs been bugging me lately, and was debating going back to my Chiro (been almost 6 months since I last saw him).

But, decided to try a few things first, some of which he taught me. Including some stretches/exercises. And, starting to get back at gym just for a round of cardio in the morning. 30-40 mins on the elliptical holding a firm posture. Only gone 3 or so times now, but already noticing improvement.
 

ghaleon

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another vote for chiro here - I don't believe half the claims they make, but it did remedy my back pain. After a year of chiro I was able to be relatively pain free after being in daily pain with my back.
 

AshG

Member
chiropractic was founded on quackery but some of their methods seem to work on some people. one man's sugar pill is another man's cure for AIDS.

actually most studies have shown that while its not an all-encompassing cure that a lot would have you believe the one thing it IS good for, is treating back conditions.

and when u think about it, how the hell couldn't it be? its releasing pressure from joints, which helps relax muscles, etc. its pretty basic and crude stuff, which is why it works for macro issues such as the back.
 

kaniz

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I dont expect Chiro to cure cancer or prevent liver disease. But, it does help with back & neck pain.

I go in with a stiff / sore neck where I have very limited motion, I get a crack and snap, and I leave with less pain and increased / full range of motion.
 
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wakipaki

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edit: A quick search on tribe sees a lot of people giving flack to chiros and recommending physiotherapists instead.

So other recommendations are welcome. My lower back has started hurting in the past year, and I think it mostly stems from posture-related problems at my job (which is quite physical, not a desk job) but also could be a problem with my bed and general sleeping patterns, as I can feel my back hurting when I go to bed and when I wake up.

Ideally I'd like to retrain my body so it doesn't hurt anymore and I don't have to constantly see a specialist, since I am freelance and don't have medical coverage beyond basic OHIP. I want to learn how to do it myself, although I realize it will take more than one session to start.



a really good accupuncture professional / accupressure professional can really work wonders, my bottom disc displaced slightly last year and i could not walk for 3 days, first day he came over to my house, and just used pressure in key spots that connect to the lower back (calves, mid thigh, near the thumb on the hand and a couple others) it hurt more after the first session, next day he came over, and voila, i could walk, go regularly now for sessions just to maintain, also taught me a tonne of excercises to keep stretched and limber, and proper postures for sitting, walking and working out (like how to get in to a real strong bent row) if interested PM me, he works out of his house but also does in calls, he is both an RMT and a registerd accupuncturist so it adds some flexibility for coverage

problem with a lot of health professionals in toronto is they just do one thing, chiropractor, physiotherapy, RMT etc... i like people that are multidisciplined and can adjust to the needed circumstances
 

the Doctor

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As someone who sees a LOT of chronic and acute back pain, I have to say that I vote in favor of chiro. I'm going to outline my reasons why, and a few stipulations on which kind of chiro to find.

Important caveat: you must rule out any serious, organic cause of back pain. See your doctor if: your back pain has endured longer than 6 weeks (most bp resolves itself), if it wakes you from sleep, if you have ANY change to your bowel / bladder function (incontinence or retention), notice changes to your sensation / power in any extremities, have any associated weight

Reasons to consider chiro for lower back pain:

  • the field of medicine is terrible at dealing with low back pain (and any back pain for that matter. The common line is usually rest, rest, rest and occasionally pain meds (which you'll get in the ER as docs try to turf you out).
  • some acute back pain originates from an actual insult (i.e. a fall, stress) but more often than not, it comes from muscle imbalance or strain in and around the spine. I commonly see patients with "pinched nerves" in their back (acutely painful!), more often than not the result of chronic muscle tension leading to pressure on the joints of the spine. This can lead to a mild dislocation of the joint between the spinal vertebrae and the ribs (called the costo-vertebral joint). I've had this myself and it's brutal! The way to manage this is to calm the area of inflammation, reduce the dislocation through adjustment, and impart balance to the muscles through massage. Active Release therapy s previously mentioned is great for this, and Chiro's are the only people who consistently get this.
  • most chronic back pain originates from repeated strain and imbalance (repetitive motions which can be as simple as carrying a bag on one shoulder, using a mouse, talking on your cell phone) ... treating this requires an appreciation of the complexity of our skeleton, again something I hand over to chiro. ART, adjustments and even laser therapy has been shown to be efficacious.
  • last but not least, there is rigorous scientific literature supporting Chiropractic care in the treatment of ACUTE back pain (more so than chronic).

My thoughts in getting a good Chiro:

  • get someone young and recently graduated. They are most likely to do manual adjustments and practice ART (which is hard to do well)
  • vet them through their professional association
  • if it's costly for you, consider going through the Chiropractice College (previously mentioned). There is a site at the Sherbourne Health Centre. As a student, I was able to have my treatments for free. You get a Chiro student plus their supervisor. 2 docs for the price of one.

For a good downtown Chiro, see Kristine Lyons at King West Chiro (York/King): http://www.kingwestchiropractic.com/chiropractic.php
 
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