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Getting out of your place before 60 days

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Dialog

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Help!

An amazing opportunity has arisen for me to move in with a friend and his roommate and start saving a huge pile of rent. I never thought I'd ever want a roommate again, let alone two, but we click really well and the savings are a huge motivator. It could really help me in the coming months... I'm excited about it! Their roommate is moving out for April 1 and they need someone in asap.

Now, the problem. I phoned my property management yesterday (twice) and left messages; this was as soon as I could manage it. I arrived home from the gym (after a generally shitty day) to find a printed note quite tersely stating that the period of notification is less than the 60 days required; 6 weeks it is insufficient. My notification being 'defective', I am responsible for rent until April 30. It later encourages me to speak to a lawyer and 'govern myself accordingly'.

I don't have much ammunition against them except for the fact that I have never received my annual interest back from them in two years, which roughly calculated is $120. The place was a disaster when I moved in and they were evasive about ... let's call them 'shortcomings' (typical) but I was too overwhelmed at the time to document it properly so I'm without tangible evidence.

Has anyone else ever gotten out of a situation like this? Is leaving mid-month against the landlord tennancy act, or a must it be mutually agreed upon between landlord and tennant? The language 'defective' left me wondering... I'd be happy to bail on April 15 but I have a feeling he will not like that; still time to re-issue my notice for tomrrow.
 
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lucky1

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notice period is 60 days... you are two weeks to late.. suck it up and pay the extra month rent. you really have no option here.

or your friends can suck it up and pay the extra month themselves and hold the spot for you... (better solutions)
 
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Sunshyne Jones

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when i was in a similar situation ie. i wanted to move out but there was nothing that i had against the landlord etc. that would allow me to get out of paying rent before the 60 days was up, i made it incredibly easy for them to let me out of my lease early. i offered to find a renter for them who would take it over at the end of 30 days so I could leave. they were skeptical, but i posted it on a bunch of free sites, and i also posted it here (which was where i found the renter btw, yay kixx :) ). I also offered to pay for a listing in the paper if I didn't find someone via the free listings. i set up two days of viewings of the place, and then sent the interested parties down to the super who had them fill out the forms. anyway, it all worked out in a non aggressive, pleasant fashion 'cause i worked with (or for, i guess haha) the landlord to make it happen.
 
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I_bRAD

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Give them your 60 days today, in writing, and pay ½ months rent on March 1st (assume you’ve paid last already)

You’ll have to suck up the extra two weeks, but you are not obligated to stay until the end of April- 60 days takes you to mid April. On the brighter side, you’ll have two weeks to move your stuff which makes things far less stressful!
 
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416

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Originally posted by I_bRAD
Give them your 60 days today, in writing, and pay ½ months rent on March 1st (assume you’ve paid last already)

You’ll have to suck up the extra two weeks, but you are not obligated to stay until the end of April- 60 days takes you to mid April. On the brighter side, you’ll have two weeks to move your stuff which makes things far less stressful!
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That's not true. Notice is effective starting with the first day of the normal rental period. So if you're monthly, your notice is effective at the start of a month, if you're weekly, then it's the start of the week.

So ya, stop being such a cheap bastard. Just because some company owns a building doesn't mean you should be a prick about paying rent. Be a decent person and stop trying to screw these people out of money you agreed to pay them.
 
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vox

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what happens if you don't sign a lease and you're paying month to month?

do you still need 60 days notice?
 
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Dialog

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Originally posted by 416
That's not true. Notice is effective starting with the first day of the normal rental period. So if you're monthly, your notice is effective at the start of a month, if you're weekly, then it's the start of the week.

So ya, stop being such a cheap bastard. Just because some company owns a building doesn't mean you should be a prick about paying rent. Be a decent person and stop trying to screw these people out of money you agreed to pay them.
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Well there Mr. 416 I would love to show you the quality of 'work' they do on the suites, if we're going to talk about 'cheap bastardness' their workmanship is a jim dandy place to start, but I digress. See also my point about interest owing on last month's rent.

Indeed the law states "A monthly tenant must give at least 60 days notice, with the termination date being the final day of a monthly rent period." so it appears I'm boned. I'm going to call the office and plead my case in a few minutes but considering how evasive Mr. Rana's been in the past I don't hold much hope.
 
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grumblegirl

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being a tenant is a responsibility as well.
i wish more people understood that fact.

landlords have responsiblities to tenants, and tenants have responsiblities to landlords. how any tenant can complain about their rights, when they are not willing to abide by their corresponding responsibilities is *beyond* me.

i'm not speaking directly to you, Dialog, as it seems you will be do the responsible thing in the end, but there are a lot of people out there who only want to get what they can from a landlord - they expect quick repairs, and steady heat, and understanding if rent is late or they want to move out, and yet they don't have any concern for the landlord's right to have rent on time, and decent tenants, and have appropriate notice when the tenant leaves.

how can anyone expect to be deserving of their rights, if they aren't being fair about their responsibilities?

[no, i'm not a landlord, i am a tenant who *has* had some bad landlords in the past. i simply don't believe i would have had the right to complain if i hadn't been a lawful and good tenant.]
 
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Dialog

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Originally posted by grumblegirl
being a tenant is a responsibility as well.
i wish more people understood that fact.

landlords have responsiblities to tenants, and tenants have responsiblities to landlords. how any tenant can complain about their rights, when they are not willing to abide by their corresponding responsibilities is *beyond* me.

i'm not speaking directly to you, Dialog, as it seems you will be do the responsible thing in the end, but there are a lot of people out there who only want to get what they can from a landlord - they expect quick repairs, and steady heat, and understanding if rent is late or they want to move out, and yet they don't have any concern for the landlord's right to have rent on time, and decent tenants, and have appropriate notice when the tenant leaves.

how can anyone expect to be deserving of their rights, if they aren't being fair about their responsibilities?

[no, i'm not a landlord, i am a tenant who *has* had some bad landlords in the past. i simply don't believe i would have had the right to complain if i hadn't been a lawful and good tenant.]
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I agree about tennant responsibility. I also reiterate that I was decieved about certain aspects of the place when I moved in (in two crawly words, 'pest problem') and also took posession of a dirty suite, every surface covered in dust from renovations and the floor had been varnished but 2 days earlier, literally drying a few hours before I moved in. My place was a gluebag for the first 4 days I lived there, doors & windows open all day and night in early April. He had the chance to say 'you can move in May', but instead was happy to start taking my money the second I could get there, and was unable to provide a properly prepared suite. Shifty.

Agh. I'm just bitching now, and ultimately Co-Op bound, so it will work out. I can deal with missing a month of savings, and looks like that room will be there for me May 1. Thanks Tribe!!
 
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jared k

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don't pay march's rent. they'll evict you and keep your damage deposit. that's about it. essentially, you get out for the same price, but with no cleaning.
 
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Sunshyne Jones

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Originally posted by jared k
don't pay march's rent. they'll evict you and keep your damage deposit. that's about it. essentially, you get out for the same price, but with no cleaning.
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i didn't think there was such a thing as damage deposit in toronto.

anyway, that's bad-attitude advice imo. if you don't give the required notice and you skip out on rent, you are the one in the wrong.
 
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kate

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So let me get this straight...can I screw my current landlord for not being able to give me more than one set of keys (which can't be copied) and not having a running hot water faucet in the bathroom sink?
 
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Sunshyne Jones

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Originally posted by Sunshyne Jones
i didn't think there was such a thing as damage deposit in toronto.

anyway, that's bad-attitude advice imo. if you don't give the required notice and you skip out on rent, you are the one in the wrong.
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unless the reasons you are doing so are stacked against the landlord ie. you have so many complaints and can successfully get out of the lease. but that's not exactly the situation this thread is about.

i did that once. my apt flooded 4 times, and the landlord would do nothing about it, wouldn't even look into it. there were numerous other problems, including lack of heat during the winter, which is when it flooded due to melting snow after big snowstorms. anyway, i wanted to get an inspector in to check things out and when i called the city inspector's office he told me that my apartment was not registered ie. illegal. well, armed with that info it wasn't hard to get out of my lease right away.
 
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I_bRAD

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Originally posted by kate
So let me get this straight...can I screw my current landlord for not being able to give me more than one set of keys (which can't be copied) and not having a running hot water faucet in the bathroom sink?
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I would assume screwing your landlord would be a good start towards getting those things fixed!
 
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xtcfreak

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Originally posted by Sunshyne Jones
i didn't think there was such a thing as damage deposit in toronto.

anyway, that's bad-attitude advice imo. if you don't give the required notice and you skip out on rent, you are the one in the wrong.
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people confuse this with "last months rent" , landlords are not allowed to ask for it. They can however ask for a "security deposit".

Jay
 
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LeoGirl

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^^^that the first I've heard that.

you don't have to provide post-dated cheques either.


bottom line is, if you don't do these things they don't have to accept you as a tenant. in some cases you just have to suck it up
 
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