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Alex D. from TRIBE on Utility Room


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anytime anything sketchey becomes visible on that 24/7 NASA ISL feed, it goes down. zero explanation, other than they do that from time to time.
we're being lied to.
Praktik is an alien.
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Bernnie Federko

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What about Bob?



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So who is following this still?

Is this finally "the moment" when the world will wake up to the visitors amongst us??
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Any tribers headin to the Galactic Wisdom Conference?

I bet the chicks are easy:

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For anyone that missed the gossip, this couple died in the late 80's and they found a shitload of Kodachrome slides in their attic, and some UFO guys found it and spent 20 years authenticating the dates, and circumstances surrounding it.

They had a huge panel lined up for the delivery, and finally decided to bring it to the public last week in a huge auditorium.

They charged everyone 15 bucks to watch the stream online, $350 to see it in person, which they ended up just letting everyone in for free, and then merchandised the entire thing further..

Anyway it was quickly determined the "alien" was an ancient mummified child. They were able to reverse blur the placard or some shit like that.

It lead to the guys apologizing, and really just a major scam. Hilarious. Or maybe another cover up???

Roswell ET photo is a MUMMIFIED BOY: Researcher unmasks image that claimed to show alien life 'beyond any doubt'
Images allegedly taken between 1947 and 1949 on Kodachrome film
UFO 'scientists' charged $350 for people to attend unveiling of photos
Researchers used software to zoom in and clear up part of the image
They found the placard says: 'Mummified body of two year old boy'


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This got started when I heard from one of my sources in Europe that some pictures that I might want to take a look at were making the rounds.
These turned out to be the pictures that a French Paranormal magazine called Top Secret published. They claimed that they received them from an anonymous source. That is all they have have said publicly so far.

Top Secret source and mine are unrelated. I made connections in the intelligence community in Europe years ago in a project unrelated to UFOs. It was for the Congo’s Mokele-mbembe project that I was working on. They have always been reliable, but you know how these things go, you never really know.

I have used them on information based on Russian UFOs in the past, and they have been very reliable with that.
I’m obviously trying to directly get access to Top Secret‘s original source, so we’ll see. By the way, feel free to contact them yourself or anyone that you feel can help.

Obviously, I want to stay on point with this, and be part of whatever comes out in this case, but the important thing is to get to the truth, and “The Black Vault” name is extremely well respected and that can very much help.

Here is what we know so far. The original anonymous source claims that these:

1) The photos were taken from a United State Navy submarine.
2) The location was between Iceland and Jan Mayen island in the Atlantic Ocean.(Jan Mayen belongs to Norway, and is only inhabited by the Norwegian Meteorological Institute and the Norwegian military.)
3) They were taken in March of 1971.

4) The Submarine was the Navy’s USS Trepang (SSN 674) and the Admiral on board was Dean Reynolds Sackett.Obviously, the next step is to try and locate this Admiral Dean Reynolds, if he exists.

5) The Submarine came upon the object by “accident,” as they were in the region on a routine joint military and scientific expedition. Officer John Klika was the one who initially spotted the object with the periscope.
This obviously implies that it wasn’t ours, and unfortunately doesn’t explain the different objects seen in the pictures.

Top Secret claims that on one of the pictures, there were some inscriptions. I don’t have a version of this, and it is too faint to see on these photographs.

Upper left it says “Official Photograph. Not to be Released. CT.”
In the bottom right corner it says (sic) “Unauthorized Disclosure Subject. Security Certificat SSN 674. Criminal Sanction”

I cannot confirm these at the moment, and I don’t know if the spelling of Certificat is just a reproduction error, since these were revealed in their magazine.
This is all I have so far, and I’ll keep sending you whatever additional info I have.

Arctic UFO Photographs, USS Trepang, SSN 674, March 1971 - The Black Vault Case Files

This is the best shit since the Black Knight Satellite
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No doubt the people looking at it have excellent credentials. That is why I don't understand how they determined the specimen's age based on the radiographs (x-ray pictures). I don't know why they did this when it is clear from the photographs that there are no epiphyses present. And it is also clear from the radiographs that there are no teeth present. At six years of age all the deciduous (milk) teeth would be present with permanent (adult) teeth growing underneath them. This would be really obvious because teeth are more dense than bones and they would be noticeable white spots even on the low resolution radiographs. A 6 year old's teeth look something like:


I am also not sure how they arrived at age from the epiphyses. Epiphyses are parts of the bone at the end of the shafts (in case of long bones) that fuse onto the end when the bone is done growing (i.e., when you reach your adult height). They are called secondary centers of ossification in this illustration:


At 6 years of age, they would not be fused onto the long bones but would be visible on the dried out specimen in the pictures.

Maybe the tissue around the ends of the long bones has mineralized and now appears more opaque on the radiographs that it would in a live specimen, and this is why they aged it the way they did. Perhaps because they are medical doctors they are used to working with medical imaging and are not familiar with how immature bones actually look. I am a physical anthropology/skeletal biology PhD student and I have examined a lot of fetal skeletons. We often find them in archaeological contexts where the mother and child die in pregnancy or in childbirth and are buried together. So I am familiar with the morphology of fetal bones and I am pointing out that there isn't too much out of the ordinary here except the squished skull and the extended position of the limbs.

The trouble with science in the UFO community is that it is most often second hand information. It is UFO enthusiasts interpreting the words of the scientists and real meanings get lost in this interpretation.


Atacama Mummy Not Alien
Published by Steven Novella under UFO's / Aliens


In 2016 Steven Greer released his documentary, Sirius, which tries to make the case for a deep conspiracy to hide the truth of aliens and free energy. Part of the documentary was to showcase possible evidence for aliens, including the Atacama desert mummy, a six-inch mummy of what appears to be a malformed fetus.

Greer and other UFO enthusiasts thought the mummy looked like an alien, with its cone-shaped head and strange anatomy. There are certainly a lot of anomalies to point to in the mummy, but just pointing to anomalies does not result in scientific conclusions. The documentary takes pains to point out that the mummy is not a crafted hoax, but the remains of a living creature. This is true, but misses the real criticism of the alien hypothesis. It is the remains of a living human.

Recently DNA analysis of the mummy found that it was indeed human. And now further analysis shows that it was a human female of mixed heritage with many newly found mutations in genes that code for bone proteins. The mummy itself is probably only decades old, as the DNA was well-preserved.

These results are not surprising, and we may learn something about genetic bone disease from studying the effects of the newly discovered mutations.

But more important, from a skeptical perspective, than the predictable results of this individual case is recognizing the pattern it represents. Purveyors of various kinds of pseudoscience, such as UFO enthusiasts, pretend to do science but never fully close the loop. They tend to build their case out of ambiguous evidence, low-grade or dubious evidence, and from preliminary evidence that has not yet been fully examined. What they never have is a thorough analysis that shows that their pet theory is the best current explanation for the alleged phenomena. There is always a gap between their claims and the evidence, which they fill in ad-hoc with conspiracy theories.

The Atacama mummy is a good representation of how they use preliminary evidence – something that has not yet been sufficiently scientifically examined. Scientific research often has several stages. The first stage may be the identification of an anomaly, such as the strange 6-inch mummy. The skeleton is the size of a fetus, but malformed and with bones that look more fully developed, more like a small child than a fetus.

Pseudoscientists love the anomaly stage because you can speculate wildly, and play up the mystery of the unknown (what we call “mystery mongering”). They can further sensationalize the case by hyping the fact that the anomaly is being studied. So, it is interesting enough for scientists to take it seriously. I wonder what they will find?

The true-believer narrative is this – look at this amazing anomaly, here are some superficial similarities to things we think are alien, scientists are studying it, isn’t that amazing?

The scientific/skeptical narrative is very different. Look at this interesting anomaly, here is a reasonable list of possible explanations, with priority given to the ones that introduce the fewest new assumptions (Occam’s razor). Here are the kinds of tests, observations, or experiments we can do to resolve the various hypotheses. We will wait on any final judgment until the data are in. Oh, look. It’s a diseased human (the hypothesis most favored by Occam’s razor). Now let’s do further study to keep learning about the apparent diseases.

What do the true-believers do when the data are in? They have several options, all of which work fine for their narrative. They can admit what the evidence shows, and then just move on to the next anomaly. There is always a list of things that have not yet been explained, or which are ambiguous and will remain forever without a definitive explanation. They got their 5-15 years out of this mystery, the next one awaits. This leaves them in a perpetual state of mystery mongering.

Or they can reinterpret the evidence to be consistent with their hypothesis. For example, another example of anomalous human remains, the “Starchild” was presented as a possible alien-human hybrid by Lloyd Pye. Occam’s razor favored a malformed child. DNA analysis showed the skull material was entirely human. The mitochondrial DNA (which has to come from the mother) was a human haplotype from an Amerindian female. There was also a human Y chromosome, which had to come from the father. So the child had a human mother and father. But Pye continued to point to what was unknown about the DNA and filled in the gaps with his alleged alien father.

Another option is to invoke a conspiracy. That is always a good go-to for true-believers, because it is the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card. Any inconvenient evidence is part of a conspiracy. Done and done.

There have been many cases resolved with DNA analysis, now that it is relatively cheap and fast. So far all DNA has been identified as coming from Earth species. Alleged alien DNA is all human. Bigfoot DNA is bear, wolf, yak, or whatever.

I should also note that the presence of DNA itself is a pretty good sign of Earth origin. It is unlikely that life on any other planet would have evolved DNA with the same exact structure and code as DNA on earth. But of course, you can always solve logical problems like that, if you are a pseudoscientist, by just making up more shit (violating Occam’s razor a little more). No problem, we are related to the aliens in some way. They seeded life here, or we were all seeded from an even more ancient and powerful alien race, or whatever.

What pseudoscientists do is confuse their ability to invent a fanciful explanation with that explanation being plausible, and even probably true. Humans are clever and inventive, and have no problem making stuff up.

So another alleged alien phenomenon bites the dust. We will throw it on the pile with the Roswell incident, the alien autopsy, the Starchild skull, the crop circle hoax, and all the rest.

Reading the UFO literature from 30-40 years ago is an interesting experience. The claims and logic are all the same, but most of the cases were completely different. The cases just keep turning over, with new ones replacing the debunked ones. But after decades of enthusiastic search, no one has found a case that survives scientific analysis, or requires an alien hypothesis for explanation.
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