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I wasn't coimplaining about the party. I had a great time. I just wish these fucking telemarketers would not call me ever 30 minutes. They've now called me 6 times today. If they did that to you, you'd be annoyed.
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FUCK Smirnoff
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I wasn't coimplaining about the party. I had a great time. I just wish these fucking telemarketers would not call me ever 30 minutes. They've now called me 6 times today. If they did that to you, you'd be annoyed.
stretchandhooker
TRIBE Promoter
Is there really any difference
between Smirnoff & Benson & Hedges ?
One poisons your lungs, the other kicks the snot out of your liver .
Both support one thing and one thing only
the products that they sell !!
how sad the truth can be !
s.
between Smirnoff & Benson & Hedges ?
One poisons your lungs, the other kicks the snot out of your liver .
Both support one thing and one thing only
the products that they sell !!
how sad the truth can be !
s.
orange richie
TRIBE Member
I didn't post this in the 'Party Reviews' forum because I thought it was just a waste of time to do so. --> when I got to the Shmirnoff thing at like 2:30am I was pretty discusted with what was going on inside. I mean I'm sure all you people that were partying thought it was great but everyone was so wrecked and scetchy...everyone! and that's not even that bad if there is a good vibe. Sorry, I have to agree with Alexd. on this one: there was absolutely no vibe in there at all. Just a bunch of fucked up people half dancing to music that was way to loud! (in the Kool Haus). Shmirnoff can kiss my ass!!! Since when do you go to a party and people take a fucking survey? I'm sure some of you don't mind it but it's so 'unclassy'. I'll stop now...
Rickardo Belmiro de la Cruz...
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Metal Morphosis
TRIBE Member
I was told i'd get a gift certificate as well but only AFTER i complete the final survey in March 2002.
this was not a "scene" party
you're all acting like this was supposed to be some sort of underground event
SMIRNOFF IS NOT UNDERGROUND
bright lights?
loud music?
too fucking bad.
how can you complain about getting a survey call, after willingly giving out your own phone number?
adt said it correctly.
you're ALL out to lunch.
i paid $20 for tickets, and i had a blast.
i liked the environment, the lights, the music, the decorations.
since when did smirnoff start throwing raves?
why did you expect a dark atmosphere?
would you rather have drug-hating post-rave trash occupying dancing space, than a random mix of everyone?
since when are YOU so superior?
i'd like to see another SPECIAL EVENT get thrown that compares to this, and of this magnitude.
complain all you want, but you're complaining is falling on deaf ears.
it's like standing in your very own picket line, in your basement.
gooooo you!
smirnoff are not rave promoters.
they are not club promoters.
they are DRINK promoters.
they promoted DRINKS on you.
they rented a huge club, rented huge djs, and pushed DRINKS on you.
they're not pushing "scene ideals", nor are they pushing "plur"
go bitch and preach on purerave or torontoraves or some other relatively superficially "happy" medium.
you're all acting like this was supposed to be some sort of underground event
SMIRNOFF IS NOT UNDERGROUND
bright lights?
loud music?
too fucking bad.
how can you complain about getting a survey call, after willingly giving out your own phone number?
adt said it correctly.
you're ALL out to lunch.
i paid $20 for tickets, and i had a blast.
i liked the environment, the lights, the music, the decorations.
since when did smirnoff start throwing raves?
why did you expect a dark atmosphere?
would you rather have drug-hating post-rave trash occupying dancing space, than a random mix of everyone?
since when are YOU so superior?
i'd like to see another SPECIAL EVENT get thrown that compares to this, and of this magnitude.
complain all you want, but you're complaining is falling on deaf ears.
it's like standing in your very own picket line, in your basement.
gooooo you!
smirnoff are not rave promoters.
they are not club promoters.
they are DRINK promoters.
they promoted DRINKS on you.
they rented a huge club, rented huge djs, and pushed DRINKS on you.
they're not pushing "scene ideals", nor are they pushing "plur"
go bitch and preach on purerave or torontoraves or some other relatively superficially "happy" medium.
mutslaster
TRIBE Member
i got the call too... a week and a half ago. the guy refused to tell me where he got my number-- so how the hell do they expect me to be accommodating to their questions when they won't even reveal how the fuck they got my number?
yes, i had a good time at the event.
no, i don't think that warrants an invasion of my privacy accompanied by attempts to be covert about the whole thing.
i still don't even know how they even got my number.
yes, i had a good time at the event.
no, i don't think that warrants an invasion of my privacy accompanied by attempts to be covert about the whole thing.
i still don't even know how they even got my number.
acheron
TRIBE Member
People never seem to understand that private companies are not entitled to your personal information, ever. Even in the case of 'warranty cards' - your guarantee under law to warranty coverage is your proof of purchase, and your receipt. It doesn't matter if the company has your name on file or not.
Those companies that require you to give your personal information to validate your warranty can be instructed to never use your information for marketing - and they must comply - however, most people do not have the cash to punish an offending company at law... companies know this and they also know that most people are too meek and profligate with their personal information to be able to do anything or to care about who has their info.
As was said before, Smirnoff is not an electronic music promotion company. They sell booze. Anyone who thought they were in for a non-commercial, non-marketing experience is a fool!
Contests are _always_ methods of marketing information gathering. Warranty cards = same thing.
Those companies that require you to give your personal information to validate your warranty can be instructed to never use your information for marketing - and they must comply - however, most people do not have the cash to punish an offending company at law... companies know this and they also know that most people are too meek and profligate with their personal information to be able to do anything or to care about who has their info.
As was said before, Smirnoff is not an electronic music promotion company. They sell booze. Anyone who thought they were in for a non-commercial, non-marketing experience is a fool!
Contests are _always_ methods of marketing information gathering. Warranty cards = same thing.
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Zoo is sooo right, you people I hope will not attend the next smirnoff experience cause you don't diserve too.
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Raves are gone the Vibe is gone get over it people they have in Europe. Are you people going to be like those hippies stuck in the sixties always talking about how it used to be. The Vibe does't exsist anymore and nomatter what you do it will never come back it is gone. Stop living in the past!
Zoo great post and you are totally right!
Zoo great post and you are totally right!
If they brand the event to that degree and then make you a market research subject/mark the least they could do is make the event free - they can afford it after all.
And why should you be subjected to market research interviews and hounded to that degree? Even in market research groups the people get paid real $$ not gift certificates. That quantitative data that they are collecting from you will be sold and resold for huge $$.
The least Smirnoff could have done is do a free event. They pay the DJ and hound you with these clipboard people AND expect you to pay them? If you say Nick Warren is worth $25, maybe so, but he is here nearly every month anyway and he doesn't come at the price of selling your soul and demographic information to United Distillers and Vintners and Starcom when he regularly visits TO.
If we stand for this market research stuff at parties now and accept it like sheep we will be guarantying it will happen in the future. Read the fist few chapters of NoLogo. Welcome sponsorship I say, but draw the line in the sand now, before its too late.
Its OK to give the fuckers hell for encroaching on our scene and pissing on it with market researchers. That is, unless you think its a pleasant addition to partying.
What doesn't Starcom know about us is obvious (you will love their website too http://www.starcom.com). Maybe telling Smirnoff directly by calling UDV and telling them to stop harassing you is a first step.
I tell you, if we accept it now, we will set the future style for all these types of things. Its time guide them, not let them guide you.
Some of you seem so eager to accept this from an event brand sponsor/ad agency. Its sad. We are not so desperate I hope that we will blindly accept what the give us for the sake of paying hard earned $$s to see Nick Warren or whomever. Corporate sponsorship is so new that we as partiers can really set the tone if we do it now.
Hell, even if it was my favorite DJ (Danny Tenaglia), and they called me up do do a survey, I would ream them out. Then I would call the brand manager at UDV (somebody get his name and we will send him a petition) Then Starcom's top banana in that order. I would make lots of noise, but especially by email.
Something must be done, now, before they get out of control. Either that, or just make sheep noises: ba ba baaaaa.
And why should you be subjected to market research interviews and hounded to that degree? Even in market research groups the people get paid real $$ not gift certificates. That quantitative data that they are collecting from you will be sold and resold for huge $$.
The least Smirnoff could have done is do a free event. They pay the DJ and hound you with these clipboard people AND expect you to pay them? If you say Nick Warren is worth $25, maybe so, but he is here nearly every month anyway and he doesn't come at the price of selling your soul and demographic information to United Distillers and Vintners and Starcom when he regularly visits TO.
If we stand for this market research stuff at parties now and accept it like sheep we will be guarantying it will happen in the future. Read the fist few chapters of NoLogo. Welcome sponsorship I say, but draw the line in the sand now, before its too late.
Its OK to give the fuckers hell for encroaching on our scene and pissing on it with market researchers. That is, unless you think its a pleasant addition to partying.
What doesn't Starcom know about us is obvious (you will love their website too http://www.starcom.com). Maybe telling Smirnoff directly by calling UDV and telling them to stop harassing you is a first step.
I tell you, if we accept it now, we will set the future style for all these types of things. Its time guide them, not let them guide you.
Some of you seem so eager to accept this from an event brand sponsor/ad agency. Its sad. We are not so desperate I hope that we will blindly accept what the give us for the sake of paying hard earned $$s to see Nick Warren or whomever. Corporate sponsorship is so new that we as partiers can really set the tone if we do it now.
Hell, even if it was my favorite DJ (Danny Tenaglia), and they called me up do do a survey, I would ream them out. Then I would call the brand manager at UDV (somebody get his name and we will send him a petition) Then Starcom's top banana in that order. I would make lots of noise, but especially by email.
Something must be done, now, before they get out of control. Either that, or just make sheep noises: ba ba baaaaa.
Did anyone in this thread mention that it should be how it "used to be?" Who said that?
What's more annoying than people talking about the good ol' days is people talking about people talking about the good ol' days.
Stop trying to be one of those "the scene is dead, move on" people. We're talking about Smirnoff. Not how parties "used to be."
acheron
TRIBE Member
Why would Smirnoff make the event free? Then no one would show up, thinking it was some kind of lame PR event.
Besides, they have a balance sheet and they have to recoup their costs like anyone else. It's business. Smirnoff is hardly in the business of throwing away money. Rave promoters are in the business of throwing away money, definitely. All those times I heard about Liquid or Syrous or whoever losing their shirt to put on a party and they were pissed because they didn't get enough people in the door, whatever - the reality of the scene now is that people have grown up and realized that there's a reason touring bands like U2 _need_ corporate sponsorship for their tours (and don't think that people like Danny Tenaglia or Nick Warren aren't talent with agents and promoters and lawyers and etc...) - because it's fucking expensive to put on one show let alone a whole tour. Money is necessary to put on a show.
Homegrown and grassroots equal a loss on the books. Always because of the infrastructure necessary to follow the rules. It costs money to provide security and health services and food and drink and to pay for the talent and transportation, load in and load out, PA, lights, etc. All of this boils down to $25 and up for a ticket and if you don't like it, don't go - but people still do no matter what... Get used to it. Like someone else said, Europe's already grown up and figured this out - sponsored tours are the way to be. And it works. Everyone has a good time. It was fun when it started when it was in a loft space or on Gunns Road or Cherry St. or wherever. I went to my share but they were ALWAYS sketchy and ALWAYS halfway between dangerous and amazing. It never lasts. As soon as the gays and blacks left it ceased being cool and the children moved in. Then parents got angry and started calling politicians and the police and there you go. Here we are. The scene has noone to thank but itself for its own destruction. But is it destroyed? Why can't you have a good time at a corporate event? You make your own fun. Now you get to do it at a corporation's expense - and yours of course - but now we can use the events to affect corporate culture. Think about it.
Besides, they have a balance sheet and they have to recoup their costs like anyone else. It's business. Smirnoff is hardly in the business of throwing away money. Rave promoters are in the business of throwing away money, definitely. All those times I heard about Liquid or Syrous or whoever losing their shirt to put on a party and they were pissed because they didn't get enough people in the door, whatever - the reality of the scene now is that people have grown up and realized that there's a reason touring bands like U2 _need_ corporate sponsorship for their tours (and don't think that people like Danny Tenaglia or Nick Warren aren't talent with agents and promoters and lawyers and etc...) - because it's fucking expensive to put on one show let alone a whole tour. Money is necessary to put on a show.
Homegrown and grassroots equal a loss on the books. Always because of the infrastructure necessary to follow the rules. It costs money to provide security and health services and food and drink and to pay for the talent and transportation, load in and load out, PA, lights, etc. All of this boils down to $25 and up for a ticket and if you don't like it, don't go - but people still do no matter what... Get used to it. Like someone else said, Europe's already grown up and figured this out - sponsored tours are the way to be. And it works. Everyone has a good time. It was fun when it started when it was in a loft space or on Gunns Road or Cherry St. or wherever. I went to my share but they were ALWAYS sketchy and ALWAYS halfway between dangerous and amazing. It never lasts. As soon as the gays and blacks left it ceased being cool and the children moved in. Then parents got angry and started calling politicians and the police and there you go. Here we are. The scene has noone to thank but itself for its own destruction. But is it destroyed? Why can't you have a good time at a corporate event? You make your own fun. Now you get to do it at a corporation's expense - and yours of course - but now we can use the events to affect corporate culture. Think about it.
OK Alex, now I like Tribe magazine, and I do agree with you on many of your points, but come on man, wisen up please.
Your arguments are almost funny, in how illogical they are.
First, your main point seems to be sheep, and how anyone who supports the Smirnoff Experience is one.
You then follow that up by trying to 'herd' everyone in your direction, I believe with mention of a petition. Now if that isn't sheep-like, I don't know what is....
'Hey everyone, don't follow 'them'....follow me' sounds like your motto. Don't be their sheep, be mine.
How about this...Everyone just follow what YOU believe in as an individual. If you don't support Smirnoff, don't fucking go to their parties, give out your phone numbers, and then bitch about it. It is that simple.
Remember the episode of the Simpsons where the advertising takes over...what was the solution...'Don't look at it and it will go away'.
What you are trying to do Alex is to take it away from the people who may have enjoyed this party,
and yes, there seemed to be thousands of them.
I agree that the 'vibe' sure is not the same as an undergound event. So if it wasn't up to your standards, then don't fucking go, period.
Pretty simple, isn't it. find a party that is what you like, and hit it. Or better yet, throw one your damn self. Maybe you'll get that good ol' vibe that is found day and night on this tribe board. all the positivity on here is astounding.
And by the way, it seems to me Alex, that this site is 'sponsored', often times by mega-corporations, but it's all right at the level that you think, right? I guess that;s it, 'draw a line in the sand everyone, where Alex says the line is'. It's okay for him to make money off sponsorship but if it's a real big company like Smirnoff, it's not okay.
Sheep. Hey, 'Tribe' is really just another way to refer to a herd of sheep, is it not? Hmmmmmmmm.
So Alex, please let us decide for ourselves what we support. And just for the record, I am anti-establishment and I am a socialist, and all that so when you try to bash me as a corporate-loving asshole, sit back Alex, think about where you are coming from, and take your rebuttal to a higher philosophical level man. One that promotes indivduals having the ultimate say on what is acceptable to them.
Or just write your petition to the big, mean, monster, Smirnoff, rather than drinking what you like at a party that you like, with friends who you like in an atmosphere that you like.
I guess that wouldn't leave any of you with letter to write the next day though. Fuck, and you talk about sheep alex.
Please....
Your arguments are almost funny, in how illogical they are.
First, your main point seems to be sheep, and how anyone who supports the Smirnoff Experience is one.
You then follow that up by trying to 'herd' everyone in your direction, I believe with mention of a petition. Now if that isn't sheep-like, I don't know what is....
'Hey everyone, don't follow 'them'....follow me' sounds like your motto. Don't be their sheep, be mine.
How about this...Everyone just follow what YOU believe in as an individual. If you don't support Smirnoff, don't fucking go to their parties, give out your phone numbers, and then bitch about it. It is that simple.
Remember the episode of the Simpsons where the advertising takes over...what was the solution...'Don't look at it and it will go away'.
What you are trying to do Alex is to take it away from the people who may have enjoyed this party,
and yes, there seemed to be thousands of them.
I agree that the 'vibe' sure is not the same as an undergound event. So if it wasn't up to your standards, then don't fucking go, period.
Pretty simple, isn't it. find a party that is what you like, and hit it. Or better yet, throw one your damn self. Maybe you'll get that good ol' vibe that is found day and night on this tribe board. all the positivity on here is astounding.
And by the way, it seems to me Alex, that this site is 'sponsored', often times by mega-corporations, but it's all right at the level that you think, right? I guess that;s it, 'draw a line in the sand everyone, where Alex says the line is'. It's okay for him to make money off sponsorship but if it's a real big company like Smirnoff, it's not okay.
Sheep. Hey, 'Tribe' is really just another way to refer to a herd of sheep, is it not? Hmmmmmmmm.
So Alex, please let us decide for ourselves what we support. And just for the record, I am anti-establishment and I am a socialist, and all that so when you try to bash me as a corporate-loving asshole, sit back Alex, think about where you are coming from, and take your rebuttal to a higher philosophical level man. One that promotes indivduals having the ultimate say on what is acceptable to them.
Or just write your petition to the big, mean, monster, Smirnoff, rather than drinking what you like at a party that you like, with friends who you like in an atmosphere that you like.
I guess that wouldn't leave any of you with letter to write the next day though. Fuck, and you talk about sheep alex.
Please....
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WoW! It's great to see so many different opinions!
But remember promoters you can not advertise in the upcoming section without a TRIBE LOGO on your Flyer!
Is that right Alex!
But remember promoters you can not advertise in the upcoming section without a TRIBE LOGO on your Flyer!
Is that right Alex!