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Founder of DELTA Force Strongly Admonishes Bush admin. and US Policy

SellyCat

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Eric Haney, a retired Command Sergeant Major of the U.S. Army, was a founding member of Delta Force, the military's elite covert operations unit.

In a recent interview with LA Daily News, he tears the Bush administration to peices over its handling of Iraq, Abu Ghraib and the general Post-9/11 situation. Because he was involved in action related to these very subjects, he carries unique legitimacy and credibility. His words will confirm this.

LA Daily News said:
Q: What's your assessment of the war in Iraq?

A: Utter debacle. But it had to be from the very first. The reasons were wrong. The reasons of this administration for taking this nation to war were not what they stated. (Army Gen.) Tommy Franks was brow-beaten and ... pursued warfare that he knew strategically was wrong in the long term. That's why he retired immediately afterward. His own staff could tell him what was going to happen afterward.

We have fomented civil war in Iraq. We have probably fomented internecine war in the Muslim world between the Shias and the Sunnis, and I think Bush may well have started the third world war, all for their own personal policies.

Q: What is the cost to our country?

A: For the first thing, our credibility is utterly zero. So we destroyed whatever credibility we had. ... And I say "we," because the American public went along with this. They voted for a second Bush administration out of fear, so fear is what they're going to have from now on.

Our military is completely consumed, so were there a real threat - thankfully, there is no real threat to the U.S. in the world, but were there one, we couldn't confront it. Right now, that may not be a bad thing, because that keeps Bush from trying something with Iran or with Venezuela.

The harm that has been done is irreparable. There are more than 2,000 American kids that have been killed. Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed ñ which no one in the U.S. really cares about those people, do they? I never hear anybody lament that fact. It has been a horror, and this administration has worked overtime to divert the American public's attention from it. Their lies are coming home to roost now, and it's gonna fall apart. But somebody's gonna have to clear up the aftermath and the harm that it's done just to what America stands for. It may be two or three generations in repairing.

Q: What do you make of the torture debate? Cheney ...

A: (Interrupting) That's Cheney's pursuit. The only reason anyone tortures is because they like to do it. It's about vengeance, it's about revenge, or it's about cover-up. You don't gain intelligence that way. Everyone in the world knows that. It's worse than small-minded, and look what it does.

I've argued this on Bill O'Reilly and other Fox News shows. I ask, who would you want to pay to be a torturer? Do you want someone that the American public pays to torture? He's an employee of yours. It's worse than ridiculous. It's criminal; it's utterly criminal. This administration has been masters of diverting attention away from real issues and debating the silly. Debating what constitutes torture: Mistreatment of helpless people in your power is torture, period. And (I'm saying this as) a man who has been involved in the most pointed of our activities. I know it, and all of my mates know it. You don't do it. It's an act of cowardice. I hear apologists for torture say, "Well, they do it to us." Which is a ludicrous argument. ... The Saddam Husseins of the world are not our teachers. Christ almighty, we wrote a Constitution saying what's legal and what we believed in. Now we're going to throw it away.

Q: As someone who repeatedly put your life on the line, did some of the most hair-raising things to protect your country, and to see your country behave this way, that must be ...

A: It's pretty galling. But ultimately I believe in the good and the decency of the American people, and they're starting to see what's happening and the lies that have been told. We're seeing this current house of cards start to flutter away. The American people come around. They always do.
 

why not

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this whole iraq thing has actually made me respect these military men way more than i ever did before, because they all seem to be coming out and saying these things.
 

SellyCat

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why not said:
this whole iraq thing has actually made me respect these military men way more than i ever did before, because they all seem to be coming out and saying these things.
You know, they were saying them before too...there was a big scandal in the Pentagon because of how Rumsfeld bullied his plans and doctrines through the military--which is by definition extremely rigid. He adopted this "I don't believe you; show me" attitude whenever an officer would argue against his plans. The big deal was about using only 250,000 troops. Tommy Franks and those under him were horrified by this prospect, precisely because they knew they would not be able to conduct successful "post hostility stabilisation operations" (I think that's the term).

General Eric Shinseki, Army Chief of Staff, testified to congress that he believed the US would need several hundred thousand men to accomplish its mission. Rumsfeld then appointed his successor, well before Shinseki was scheduled to retire. "Selecting a successor for the current chief so far in advance is highly unusual," said the person who leaked the matter to the news. It made him a 'lame duck'

I always thought it looked embarassing that Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz talk to (and about) these professional officers as if their (R & W) capacity for strategic analysis was far superior. The Secretary of the Army said on Frontline "These are two men who do not suffer from a great deal of self-doubt." The Frontline episode called "Rumsfeld's War" is really excellent. You can watch the entire episode here.
 

Ditto Much

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PBS and Frontline are proof that at all times there was another view on the war and on the terrorist attacks. I always found it amazing how CNN and FOX sounded the same and both were 180 degrees from Frontline and PBS.
 
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SellyCat

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Today CNN is quite opposite to FOX when it comes to domestic, economic, social and political issues...but NOT concerning foreign policy or the general concept of America in the World.

I like Lou Dobbs a lot, cuz he's totally unrestraining about calling corporate America on its insane corruption and theivery from the population. BUT Dobbs also practices some really inappropriate rhetorical tricks of sophistry that damage his credibility. THe lef doesn't need a socialist Bill O'Reilly.
 

atbell

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^^^^
Don't you think it is a bit crule to bring out the big guns like that?

Shouldn't we be kind and just use nukes?

Think of all the roundhouses to the head that we would spare the world!
 

JAR

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I read Haney's book, Inside Delta Force.

Those guys are some seriously tough motherfuckers.
 

~atp~

TRIBE Member
Military critics are extremely powerful as a subversion to the armchair neo-conservative rationale. Many of the more superficial arguments are militaristic or based largely on violence, which depends entirely on the command structure of the American military. If you cannot depend on that violent appeal, then you are left only with ethical or academic arguments, to which many seem to have an aversion.
 
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judge wopner

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who teh fuck is eric haney,

everyone knows jack bauer invented Delta Force,
that and shoe laces, fettuchine and the modern combustion engine
 

SellyCat

TRIBE Member
Yeah, but your camels just got murdered by Israeli settlers and then your olive trees were uprooted by bulldozers for security reason.

Oh...and before I forget...they need to bulldoze your house so they can build the security fence right through it. Thanks.
 

praktik

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~atp~ said:
My camels' spit is tougher than Jack Bauer.
[takes a deep breath] Listen man, I know you're angry right now, so I'm going to pretend you didn't say that...
 

SellyCat

TRIBE Member
praktik said:
[takes a deep breath] Listen man, I know you're angry right now, so I'm going to pretend you didn't say that...
OH SHIT! <Jack Bauer comes crashing through the windows weilding two laser-scoped MP5s...and he's talkin mean!>
 
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