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Federal Election 2015

JamesM

TRIBE Member
Minority - Coalition government. Book it. Mulcair PM.

If you want my opinion, I felt I wanted to end it when Harper took over, but he wasn't that bad. Time for change. The senate reform debacle is the major error. Like wtf happened there.

NDP seems to have the legs.
 

JamesM

TRIBE Member
I could go on for miles, but lets let it stand pat. Let that stick, and get some new opinions are what's really required.

You know the ontario liberals are going to get buried for the next 20 years.
 

JamesM

TRIBE Member
I've been struggling with this.. But I really don't like the green party. They can go suck a bag full of dicks for being the worst offenders.

The most right wing kid turned [lawyer then] tree hugger, and just pretty much split the left vote.. drowning everyone in her university based feminism.

go away!

please stop!!!



There is 0 policy!!! Just a how you doin' ch33sech33sech33se:mad:
 
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JamesM

TRIBE Member
That's my opinion entirely. something which i'm completely open for debate.

conjecture.
 

JamesM

TRIBE Member
Seems like another run around with attack ads, and a high school popularity contest. I don't care anymore.
 

ndrwrld

TRIBE Member
Harperverted Politics.

We let him get away with so much and now that he sees his numbers falling, he's going to fuck us out of Millions just so he can have the upper hand at this.

I'm fucking disgusted at Peter McKay going on FB touting all this fucking money being doled out in his riding. Harper had 3 years to do good things out there...he's only doing it now.

Fuck Harper.
 

praktik

TRIBE Member
Long campaign seems risky for everyone - more time for gaffes, more time for everyone to trot the worst shit they've been holding onto in their war chests.... not sure the Conservatives were so smart, sure their spending advantage made this strategy seem attractive - but if you've been an incumbent for so long with all this whiff of scandal around and some upcoming senate scandal revelations that will be timed to occur DURING the campaign

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wouldn't you want a super SHORT campaign so you can go in, lock it down and get it over with??
 

Boss Hog

TRIBE Member
Stephen Harper’s Debate Strategy for the 2015 Elections

1. Cite only statistics that show the Conservatives had strengthened the country (ex. Employment is at a 10 year high – do not mention that it’s for part time jobs without benefits).

2. The economy is fully recovered and is stronger than it has been in decades (use the housing market as an example – do not mention oil revenues / subsidies or the manufacturing sector.)

3. Preface rebuttals with “let me be clear…” so that it’s understood that the opposing leader’s argument is misled or stems from a lack of comprehending the real issues.

4. Maintain the dismissive tone of a bored educator. This upholds an air of Prime Ministerial authority that will work even if you’re losing an argument. (Review some Margaret Thatcher footage.)

5. Science and numbers are generally not in our favour. Don’t acknowledge any of the other leader’s data. If necessary, dismiss it as skewed or inaccurate.

6. As often as possible, dismiss opposition arguments by turning away and addressing the Canadian people via the camera. (note: review historical monarchical speeches for tips.)

7. Use hands to often imply the shape of a box. Keep your constituent’s hearts and minds in that box.

8. Introduce new policies and tax breaks that cater exclusively to baby boomers and the wealthy, since they’re the ones that really keep the party in power (also a shout out to new immigrants.)

9. Nationalistic jingoism! Mention veterans a minimum of 3 times (if possible, imply opposition leaders have failed them or are against them.) If the opposition tries to pull up any data on actual Conservative veteran support, refer to #6.

10. The wars. This is why we pay for them. Use them as symbols of fortitude and ensure that it’s clear that the opposition doesn’t have the belly for finding new foreign interventions.

When all else fails, fixate on Justin Trudeau’s hair.

https://chriscontent.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/2336/
 
Long campaign seems risky for everyone - more time for gaffes, more time for everyone to trot the worst shit they've been holding onto in their war chests.... not sure the Conservatives were so smart, sure their spending advantage made this strategy seem attractive - but if you've been an incumbent for so long with all this whiff of scandal around and some upcoming senate scandal revelations that will be timed to occur DURING the campaign

like

wouldn't you want a super SHORT campaign so you can go in, lock it down and get it over with??
Short Campaign would hand it over to the NDP or Liberals.

The Conservatives are stalling and hoping that Mulclair or Trudeau will make a mistake and capitalize on it. They don't really have a shot at keeping power otherwise. Also, they need more time to figure out how not to get blame in the stagnating economy (technically a recession, but they refuse to acknowledge that).

Going to be kind of tough, considering that the media is pretty much not buying into Harper's conditions of engagement with the media for the last few years. Globe and Mail has already got them pegged as one of the worst economic government in quite some time - and that's just out of the gate.
 
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Bernnie Federko

TRIBE Member
I fucking despise Mulcair's decision to not participate in a TV debate without Harper also engaged. He's letting the Blu Meanie off the hook
 

praktik

TRIBE Member
Short Campaign would hand it over to the NDP or Liberals.

The Conservatives are stalling and hoping that Mulclair or Trudeau will make a mistake and capitalize on it. They don't really have a shot at keeping power otherwise. Also, they need more time to figure out how not to get blame in the stagnating economy (technically a recession, but they refuse to acknowledge that).

Going to be kind of tough, considering that the media is pretty much not buying into Harper's conditions of engagement with the media for the last few years. Globe and Mail has already got them pegged as one of the worst economic government in quite some time - and that's just out of the gate.
You might be right, but the longer you're in power - the more skeletons in the closet.

The longer the campaign - the more time for them to come out!

(this was my logic - assuming the campaign chest of secrets have potentially more damaging stuff for an incumbent vs minority parties who haven't had their hands in as much that can dirty them up)
 

ndrwrld

TRIBE Member
this new book about Harper is out mid august, and should solidify him not being re-elected, that is, if anyone reads it.
 
You might be right, but the longer you're in power - the more skeletons in the closet.

The longer the campaign - the more time for them to come out!

(this was my logic - assuming the campaign chest of secrets have potentially more damaging stuff for an incumbent vs minority parties who haven't had their hands in as much that can dirty them up)
This is what Harper is banking on - he's hoping that the NDP and Liberals will trip up and produce some kind of gaffe that they can capitalize on that will distract from the Senate, the faltering economy and the list of other failures under his watch. Also, I think he's hoping that there will be some kind of turnaround in the economy before the election.

But I get the sense that he's done - all the main players in his cabinet are gone - they've seen the writing on the wall. And I think that after Flaherty died that the heart and soul of the cabinet went with him, along with what little charisma they had with the public (I know, I know, saying that Flaherty had charisma is kind of funny, but he was probably one of the most respected faces out of the entire cabinet - however misguided and ignorant to how much of a fuck up he was with the Harris gov't in the eyes of the Canadian public).
 
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praktik

TRIBE Member
Its a super shallow bench, for sure.

Isn't Mackay looking a bit more astute than you'd give him credit for after the last few years before his recent retirement. Felt like Harper did a great job of being the Chretien to Mackay's Martin, except he won't step into the firing line til long after the Harper dust clears, is my guess.

What is the party without Harper really - on the national stage there isn't much else to go on. If the Harper brand gets dirtied, it won't be good for them - if he can stay teflon, maybe he can keep enough support to win out from the first past the post division of our vote. Though I guess there must be enough local MPs with the local cred to keep getting elected for them but no chops to step up nationally....Who's the next big star for them??
 
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KickIT

TRIBE Member
How much you wanna bet more Canadians will watch the Republican debate tonight over the Canadian one?
 
How much you wanna bet more Canadians will watch the Republican debate tonight over the Canadian one?
Well consider the shit show the Republican debate is going to be - it'll be like watching a couple of hours of wrestling speeches being made over foreign and domestic policy. And with 17 different candidates, half of them delegated to the kiddie table? The potential for fireworks is way more with the Republican debate than there is with the Canadian one.
 

alexd

Administrator
Staff member
I was really surprised at how well Elizabeth May did last night - it is no wonder the other parties want to keep her out of the debates. She was relaxed, smart, aggressive, and made sense.

Mulcair, who I had hoped would do well, looked absolutely lame with his pasted on smile as he describe the various tragedies and incompetencies of the Harper government. It made what he said less credible. I sure hope they are using different media trainers and advisers than the ones Olivia used in her mayoral bid, because those advisers and backroom people sunk her campaign.
 

Boss Hog

TRIBE Member
Yeah Mulcair's smile was a bit creepy uncle-ish, but I still thought he remained well calm and poised and stuck to the logical points of Harper's failures. Trudeau stammered a lot and didn't quite look ready for prime time. I imagine he'll polish up soon. May was great, she got in there and rebutted Harper on key facts. Harper himself looked like a drowning man trying to find something to grab onto. He kept saying the world economy is in a bad place - but refuses to see his connection to the effect of that in Canada.

So far so good. If there was a loser at all in the debate, it was Harper.
 

kerouacdude

TRIBE Member
well, I didn't think anyone shamed themself performance wise and all scored points, but within that context I thought Mulcair was the most disappointing even though the media seem to be seizing on the fact he got Harper to admit we're in a recession (big whup)
was surprised Coyne thought Mulcair did better than Trudeau. Yes, Trudeau was a bit jacked up and yippy puppy for the first 15-20 but I think that was to be expected. Strongest moment IMO was hammering the PM on not doing enough for veterans, "nickel and diming" to be specific ("THIS party, which wraps itself in the flag" was a great line). People are divided on JT's closing remarks and I think I know why - it was kind of U.S.-style sentimentality and a lot of people here just aren't comfortable with it. Personally, I liked it. Even before he mentioned his Dad I was hearing his voice in the speech pattern.
 
Wow, he's a Prime Minster and he's number wan! I wonder how much in savings there was in dropping the extra i.

From what I saw of the debates, it seemed much like what most of the media has been saying - no clear winner. But, then again, most of them seem to be feeling each other out to see where their strengths and weaknesses go.

Harper's going to have a tough fight ahead of him if the economy doesn't improve (which it likely won't), sooner or later he's going to have to acknowledge that we're on our way to a recession. The veterans point and the Senate point that he was confronted with he didn't do so great either - came off a bit dismissive. He's not going to be able to take that kind of position throughout the entire campaign and win over voters.

Trudeau had a nice shot at Mulcair with the Quebec issue - "what is your number" was a pretty memorable line. He's probably got the steepest learning curve out of everyone.

May made her presence known - but she's got a long way to go with her party building before she's a serious contender. She's got a lot of promise.

Mulcair seemed to be finding his footing and getting out from Layton's shadow nicely. He comes off well, was well coached, but needs to define himself a bit better with the NDP policies towards Quebec. Good to see that the "they're socialists!" bullshit doesn't stick.
 
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