Fashion Fuck off at the Guvernment

[headwinds]

So I was in the lineup at the Guvernment and I overhead a bouncer asking a group behind me to leave the line because they were wearing sneakers and phat pants. After hearing this, I confronted the bouncer and left the lineup too. I went to the very comfortable Easter Bloc party.

Can someone set the record straight: was this the rule of a prejudiced bouncer or a prejudiced club?

cant dance in slacks and docs,
headwinds.

 

[JayIsBored]

why were you in that lineup in the first place?

 

[Mr_Furious]

I think this is the rule of a prejudiced bouncer. As far as i know the Guvernment hasen't had a dress code on Saturdays for quite some time now....I mean, you don't even have to be wearing a shirt....

 

[headwinds]

I was entertaining friends who were specifically looking for trance. I had hyped up the Acid House Party, but once we found out that it was cancelled, we couldnt find any other Saturday night trance alternative. So I brought them to see Mark Oliver but I've only been to the Guvernment once before and had no problems except of course blandness.

Once again, nice kaleidoscope of peeps at Embyrus...and some booty-shakin naughtiness in the breaks room.

headwinds.

 

[Musical Rush]

If you have trouble again check out AREA 51 on Saturdays 577 King st west all trance only 7$

 

[girl friday]

I think it's just specifically running shoes that they don't like cause you can wear jeans etc oh and hats too but only of the cowboy type I believe

 

[D-Cypher]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by girl friday:
I think it's just specifically running shoes that they don't like cause you can wear jeans etc oh and hats too but only of the cowboy type I believe

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^^^that's so gay.....guverment sux!

 

[JayIsBored]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by girl friday:
hats too but only of the cowboy type I believe

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lol toooo funnny!!!!

 

[Casper]

me and two friends got turned away at Turbo on saturday for wearing sneakers,
peace

 

[AdRiaN]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">was this the rule of a prejudiced bouncer or a prejudiced club? </font>

Probably a bit of both. I just wish the club would be more clear about its dress code, or lack thereof. They used to be very specific -- no runners, no jeans, no ballcaps. Some bouncers still enforce these rules hap-hazardly (I've heard of people being turned away while wearing the exact same outfit from previous weeks).

Nonetheless, I think showing up wearing sneakers and phat pants is never a good idea. It's not a rave. The club management and its patrons specifically don't want to attract ravers. The GUV is rammed packed every Saturday night, they can certainly afford to be selective.

Why even take the chance? At least bring a change of clothes/shoes just in case.


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AdRiaN

 

[Heinz57]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Casper:
me and two friends got turned away at Turbo on saturday for wearing sneakers,
peace</font>

The last time I went to Turbo, there was a dress code... at the front door...

but if you circled around to the back door... absolutely no dress code... i got in with jeans, running shoes, and a hat.. as did most the people i was with..

Which all seems pretty retarded to me, because the two entrances lead to the exact same place...

It was kinda fun walking through the dress code hip hop/r&b upstairs while i was dressed all raggedy...

 

[Chris Hughes]

I am not surprised that so many so called bouncers are getting shot in the head.
Its shit like this that really makes me boil.
If these fucking idiots would leave their pimple infested egos at home, we might all enjoy ourselves at every party and not have to worry about what the hell everybody wears.
Just for the record I usually dont wear big pants and runners to a club like guvernment but I dont see the big deal with it.

 

[feisty boy]

^^^^^whoa, ease up.

people deserve to get shot and killed because they don't let you in with sneakers??
bouncers have pissed us all off, but don't treat dress codes as justification for murder!!

 

[ADT]

im sure places like that choose who they do or dont dress code selectively....

 

[Guest]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chris Hughes:
I am not surprised that so many so called bouncers are getting shot in the head.
Its shit like this that really makes me boil.
If these fucking idiots would leave their pimple infested egos at home, we might all enjoy ourselves at every party and not have to worry about what the hell everybody wears.
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You're an idiot!

 

[deep]

He has a pertinent point. I've worked as a bouncer before. Generally a lot (not necessarily all) of the guys who stay into bouncing for long periods of time have the same type of psychological build - get off on the use of power, resort to intimidation and threats to resolve conflict, emotional interaction typically limited to macho tough-guy bullshit. The bully mentality runs deeper than you think.

Especially when we're talking about highly visible clubs and metropolitan areas where the rates of violence are higher (and hence you have people buying into the macho tough guy thing a lot more).

The dress code bigotry is just an extension of the general abuse of power that leads to frustration and retaliation on the part of the patrons. It's just another point on the spectrum. Turning away someone on the grounds of not liking the way they look is a lesser evil than shaking down partiers and selling the drugs back to them and getting shot for that but still the same kind of abuse of power.

Murder is murder, yes, and most of the time these guys are just trying to do their job. But it just takes one asshole to create a bias in party goers that further exacerbates the risk of later conflict and tension. Case in point, headwinds and anyone he tells this story to is likely to carry some kind of bias towards the staff at guvernment. This kind of stuff tends to build on itself.

But even as a former bouncer I can tell you that it shouldn't surprise people when someone constantly getting bullied snaps and empties a clip into some bouncer's face. I never had to threaten anyone once as a bouncer. Generally if you treat people with respect they will act with respect back to you, especially when it happens so rarely in the party scene. If they don't comply even then there are more reasonable methods of dealing with the situation than violence / intimidation. But unfortunately this fact is totally oblivious to many bouncers. Add to that chemicals, stupidity and a healthy dose of macho bravado on the part of partiers as well and you have a tense situation.

 

[feisty boy]

^^^well deep, you've broken it down nicely and it makes sense when analyzed like that.

but i still think it's messed to treat it as trite as chris did, as in "if a bouncer doesn't let you in because of your shoes, he shouldn't be surprised to get a bullet in the face"

 

[deep]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by feisty boy:


but i still think it's messed to treat it as trite as chris did, as in "if a bouncer doesn't let you in because of your shoes, he shouldn't be surprised to get a bullet in the face"</font>

Which is very true. Unfortunately the idiots who usually cause shit are the ones with the least amount of emotional depth / intelligence and something stupid like that is enough of a "diss" to their manhood such that they gotta prove how fucking cool they are.

Also I think that when people generally commit acts of violence in club and party situations it is when they are the most irrational / emotional. You don't really get a lot of the cold, calculated, premeditated shit. Anytime shit goes down it's usually heat of the moment kind of stuff. Which is usually the stuff that is really fucking stupid when you think of it in retrospect.

 

[deep]

One thing that I remarked many times when I did work as a bouncer was that it seemed like a lot of the guys had the same mentality / personality as the people who would typically cause shit in the clubs, they were just on the opposite side of the line of power.

 

[dj_jake_the_snake]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deep:
One thing that I remarked many times when I did work as a bouncer was that it seemed like a lot of the guys had the same mentality / personality as the people who would typically cause shit in the clubs, they were just on the opposite side of the line of power.

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*stands up and cheers* well said. that's exactly what i've found. Almost all the bouncers I know who are big and good at there job and all that are getting out of it and going back to school. The ones who stay in it for a long time seem to have a complex to hurt others and get away with it.

 

[RuffRyda]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dj_jake_the_snake:
*stands up and cheers* well said. that's exactly what i've found. Almost all the bouncers I know who are big and good at there job and all that are getting out of it and going back to school. The ones who stay in it for a long time seem to have a complex to hurt others and get away with it.

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good point as well, my buddy used to be a bouncer until he went back to school and now he's a police officer for metro. now he just has to deal with the real idiots of society

 

[headwinds]

How can you dance without sneakers? Not very well. You get crowd of clones (the scene from Ants springs to mind with all those workers dancing identically). Why wear your work clothes when you're goin out to forget about work? What's wrong with variety?

My pants - although wider than most - were very functional and durable clothes that wouldnt split unlike the ultra tight fuck-me zebra skins that some of the women were wearing. This must be a bit frustrating for stores like Ultra Ego and Oddessey that carry clothes perfect for dancing but cant get them in the dance clubs (ok they can but not every night).

I just wouldnt want to be in club where
others would consider my presence offensive. That's the impression that this bouncer gave me. It was a strange form of raver racism.

Anyways, Deep...its nice to know that some bouncers are articulate and care for the people they are hired to protect...bouncers are a necessary evil...but we shouldnt stereotype all them...they're not cops...thank god....although I've encounted some with that policing mentality...and others, like Deep has expressed, are totally gentle giants!

headwinds.

 

[deep]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by headwinds:

How can you dance without sneakers? Not very well. </font>

Well, see, that's your problem. You don't need sneakers to stand in one spot locomoting only to pinch some girl's ass. And besides since it is the guvernment you can always remove articles of clothing if they become bothersome. hahahah

 

[angelic]

Quote: "Was this the rule of a prejudiced bouncer or a prejudiced club? "

It is hard to determine where the problem begins here...Awhile back, I helped with guest list at the Orange Room in the Guv. From my experience, the bouncers are not fond of fat pants and sneakers. In fact, I have heard them refer to such individuals as "E"-tards and other such wonderful names, when their back is turned.

It was my impression that they didn't Understand. I wonder if perhaps they had gotten too accustomed to seeing the average Government goer dressed the SAME as everyone else. I swear, I watched everyone walk by every night, and they are all carbon copies of each other.

With regards to searching patrons, they definetly got alot of free drugs for themselves, that is for sure.

But, you know the funniest part? Some of those bouncers had been friends with the bouncer who was shot there. I would have thought that they would be more cautious in their dealing with the club goers.

Who knows.

 

[judge wopner]

i guess as a club owner, say for the guv, they have a certian policy which is intended to attract a certain clientele... in this case its ginos. while there are discrepencies in the enforcement of the dress code, generally you have to assume a night at the guv is gonna be a bit dressier.

im not a fan of it either but you have to respect the policy makers perspective. every club cant be like turbo or b-side.

i get sick of being at a place like b-side sometimes cause i feel like checking out the ladies at say Fluid who are all dulled up... just for a change. theres beautiful girls in jeans and in skirts, its all about variety i guess.

were lucky t.dot has the variety to suit different peoples tastes. even if it includes tacky fur boa's, cowboy shoes, zebra skin and lots of jewlery.... ha!