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Ephedrine.......

TaCk OnE?

TRIBE Member
I think I remember there being a big stink around here about ephedrine going off the shelves.

well, for those who're interested it's still being stocked at GNC under it's apropriate catatorgy, nasel degongestant.

meh, just a heads up.

the TACKtical ONE.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Ephedrine has a bad rap because of idiots with pre-existing conditions taking it, or people taking it in large doses, or combining it with things such as yohimbine (stupid, stupid)...

Here's a little bedtime reading that shows it is very safe when used properly (the last one is very interesting... study done on rats showing that ephedrine made them live longer *LOL*... BY THE GOVERNMENT!!).... 5 people died last year from ephedrine in the States... all of them mixed it with other shit... an estimated 200 million doses were taken in that year... 400 people died from ibuprofen (Advil) in the same year...

Chen KK, Schmidt CF. Ephedrine and related substances. Baltimore, The Williams & Wilkins company, 1930.

Weiner M. Weiner's Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine. Mill Valley, CA, Quantum Books, 1990.

Mahdihassan S, Mehdi FS. Soma of the Rigveda and an attempt to identify it. Amrerican Journal of Chinese Medicine 17(1-2): 1-8, 1989.

Astrup A, Buemann B, Christensen NJ, Toubro S, Thorbek G, Victor OJ, Quaade F. The effect of ephedrine/caffeine mixture on energy expenditure and body composition in obese women. Metabolism: Clinical and Experimental. 41(7): 686-688, 1992.

Breum L, Pederson JK, Ahlstrom F, Frimodt-Moller. Comparison of an ephedrine/caffeine combination and dexfenfluramine in the treatment of obesity. A double-blind multi-center trial in general practice. International Journal of Obesity 18: 99-103, 1994.

Astrup A, Breum L, Toubro S, Hein P, Quaade F. The effect and safety of an ephedrine/caffeine compound compared to ephedrine, caffeine and placebo in obese subjects on an energy restricted diet. A double blind trial. International Journal of Obesity 16(4): 269-77, 1992.

Dulloo AG, Miller DS. The Thermogenic Properties of Ephedrine /Methylxanthine Mixtures: Human Studies. International Journal of Obesity 10: 467-481, 1986.

Astrup A, Toubro S, Christensen NJ, Quaade F. Pharmacology of thermogenic drugs. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 55(1 Supplement): 246S-248S, 1992.

Astrup A, Toubro S. Thermogenic, metabolic, and cardiovascular responses to ephedrine and caffeine in man. International Journal of Obesity 17 Supplement 1: S41-S43, 1993.

Astrup A, Lundsgaard C, Madsen J, Christensen NJ. Enhanced thermogenic respo nsiveness during chronic ephedrine treatment in man. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 42: 83-94, 1985.

Dulloo AG, Miller DS. The Thermogenic Properties of Ephedrine /Methylxanthine Mixtures: Human Studies. International Journal of Obesity 10: 467-481, 1986.

Horton TJ, Geissler CA. Aspirin potentiates the effect of ephedrine on the thermogenic response to a meal in obese but not lean women. International Journal of Obesity 15(5): 359-366, 1991.

Buemann B, Marckmann P, Christensen NJ, Astrup A. The effect of ephedrine plus caffeine on plasma lipids and lipoproteins during a 4.2 MJ/day diet. International Journal of Obesity 18: 329-332, 1994.

Astrup A, Toubro S, Cannon S, Hein P, Madsen J. Thermogenic, metabolic, and cardiovascular effects of a sympathomimetic agent, ephedrine. Current Therapeutic Research, 48(6): 1087-1100, 1990.

Astrup A, Toubro S, Christensen NJ, Quaade F. Pharmacology of thermogenic drugs. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 55(1 Supplement): 246S-248S, 1992.

Nishikawa T, Kimura T, Taguchi N, Dohi S. Oral clonidine preanesthetic medication augments the pressor responses to intravenous ephedrine in awake or anesthetized patients. Anesthesiology 74(4): 705-710, 1991.

Dullo AG, Seydoux J, Girardier L. Tealine and thermogenesis: Interactions between polyphenols, caffeine and sympathetic activity. International Journal of Obesity, May 1996, 20(Supplement 4):71 (abstract 08-178-WA1).

NTP technical report on the toxicology and carcinogenesis studies of ephedrine sulfate (CAS no. 134-72-5) in F344/N rats and B6C3F1 mice (feed studies) National Toxicology Program. U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, National Institutes of Health; Springfield, VA. Series title: NIH publication; no. 86-2563. Series title: Technical report series (National Toxicology Program (U.S.)); no. 307, 1986. (This NTP Technical Report 307 can be obtained by calling The National Toxicology Program @ (919) 541 -3419.)
 

teknikal

TRIBE Member
i've never taken ephedrine before, but i know that A LOT of university students rely on it for studying.

it's pretty bad. i know a girl who can't study now, unless she takes ephedrine.
 
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AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
Ephedrine

Yeah, I'm sure when Health Canada asked stores in Canada to "pull ephedrine products from your shelves", they didn't expect everyone to just start selling it from behind the counter instead. Hopefully the authorities do not catch wind and institute an ACTUAL ban on ephedrine as opposed to the current voluntary measures.
 
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416

TRIBE Member
I think ephedrine is icky.

I find it makes you feel like crap the day after you take some. Like your body is made of cement.

Yuck.
 

alexd

Administrator
Staff member
My heath Food store guy told me only the large-dose tabs have been pulled. The ban relates to tablets containing more than 8 mg per tablet. The store guy said that they used to carry tabs with 25 mg in each.

He said most companies are reformulating their products for the new rules and their products will re-appear on the shelves in the 8 mg dosage.

He said people will just take more of each to get the same dosage.
 

swenard

TRIBE Member
^^^^^^^^^

Are you serious?

I know a girl here at my work, taking diet pills. She has lost alot of weight.

I know they are bad for you. But, they do such a good job.

shawn
 
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Chris

Well-Known TRIBEr
hmmm poor Ephedrine, got such a bad rap by such silly people. If your going to jump into taking these substances I have no problem with it, so long as your making an INFORMED decision of the costs and benefits of them.

The ECA stack is by far one of the best "legal" ways of shedding fat when used properly (diets, training, etc). Not too mention an amazing stimulant for those off days in the gym.

It is produced under the name "Ripped Fuel" (Twinlabs), "Xenadrine" (Cytodine), "Dymetadrine Xtreme" (AST), and "Metabolite" (Metabolite is not a full ECA stack, but it does contain Ephedrine in herbal form. Its far cheaper to just buy the components though.


The way ECA works:
"The ECA stack is a fairly potent central nervous system (CNS) stimulant. The components work together synergistically; in other words, their combined effect is much greater than the effect of the individual components alone. The effects of the stack are: thermogenesis (creation of heat), which causes the body to burn more calories; increased fat burning and muscle sparing through the stimulation of beta-receptor sites; and a decrease in appetite.

The dosage for ECA:

20 mgs of ephedrine and 200 mgs of caffeine are the central ingredients.

Aspirin is supposed to add to the stack's effectiveness by decreasing the body's natural resistance to the stimulant effects. The more I've researched, however, the less I'm convinced that it is necessary or helpful. In fact, there's some evidence to suggest that aspirin can suppress testosterone--not ideal for building or preserving muscle. I can only say from personal experience that aspirin seems to make little or no difference.

The stack can be taken 2-3 times a day, depending on one's tolerance. The first dose is usually taken in the morning, and subsequent doses are spread out over 4-6 hours. The ECA stack should never be taken late in the afternoon (after 3-4 p.m.) as this will cause insomnia, guaranteed.

Much of the stack's effectiveness is in its appetite suppressant effects. If you consume more calories than you use, your body will not use fat as fuel--period. Diet is the single most important factor in whether or not you get lean. You may lose a marginal amount of fat due to the increased number of calories burned (through thermogenesis), but don't expect to sport washboard abdominals just by taking a few pills. The ECA stack is a supplement, not a magic bullet."



For more information regarding ECA try
http://www3.netrition.com/eca-article.html
 

Hi i'm God

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by swenard
^^^^^^^^^

Are you serious?

I know a girl here at my work, taking diet pills. She has lost alot of weight.

I know they are bad for you. But, they do such a good job.

shawn
Meh I havent had any bad side effects yet*twitch, twitch* Basically they cut my apitite, give me TONS of ephy energy and speed up my motabolisom. Unfortunitly all that equals rancid breath but I keep that manged...
 

Jennika

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by PosTMOd
Ephedrine has a bad rap because of idiots with pre-existing conditions taking it, or people taking it in large doses, or combining it with things such as yohimbine (stupid, stupid)...

before you go calling people who have had pre-existing conditions "idiots", from what I have read many times people don't know they have a pre-existing heart condition until after they experience a negative effect/reaction to effedrine. Also, I have a bottle of energy pills that I bought at Noah's that contain effedrine, and I followed the instructions (not taking large doses) exactly and had a really bad reaction to it.

I also have a friend who used it to lose weight, stuck to the instructions on the bottle exactly, and yes she lost weight but over time she became incredably bitchy and developed sleeping problems and than when she went off it she gained back all the weight and more really quickly (and no, she doesn't overeat, just her metabolism got fucked up). She now swears she will never touch the stuff again.

Yes, people have to educate themelves before consuming anything, but you can't go around saying that everyone who has a bad experience with effedrine is an idiot.
 

swenard

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Hi i'm God
Meh I havent had any bad side effects yet*twitch, twitch* Basically they cut my apitite, give me TONS of ephy energy and speed up my motabolisom. Unfortunitly all that equals rancid breath but I keep that manged...

What are they called?


I might be interested in inquiring about them.
 

ivezs

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by poker face
Actually it is funny how you can buy straight ephedrine but they pulled Hydroxycut off the shelves!
What?!! They took Hydroxycut off the shelves? I was considering buying this on the advice of a personal trainer at my gym. I don't need to lose weight but I'm trying to add definition....and he recommended this for fast results....not that I'm lazy or anything I work out every other day...I'm just really impatient.....has anyone used this product with good or bad results?I wonder if it can still be ordered from a web site or maybe a mail order? Anyone know?
 
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Chris

Well-Known TRIBEr
Remember almost all diet drugs fail to produce weight loss after six months of use. All that diet drugs have been shown to do so far is increase the amount of fat and some lean mass loss (muscle mostly) during the three to six month window of weight loss your body allows, but they have not been shown to extend this window. Your body is a highly adaptive machine, and it adapts quickly to both the effects of your diet and to the effects of diet drugs, which is what makes long-term weight loss extremely difficult. Keep in mind that the body is a highly, highly adaptive machine. This is why long term, permanent weight loss requires much more thought than the simple "eat less and exercise" approach.

Some of our most infamous diet drugs are as follows,
-anorectic drug phentermine, better known as "phen-fen"
-thyroid hormone, T3
-anorectic drug mazindol
-latest diet drugs Meridia and Xenical
-and of course Albuterol or Clenbuterol

just to name a few:)
 

Chris

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by ivezs


What?!! They took Hydroxycut off the shelves? I was considering buying this on the advice of a personal trainer at my gym. I don't need to lose weight but I'm trying to add definition....and he recommended this for fast results....not that I'm lazy or anything I work out every other day...I'm just really impatient.....has anyone used this product with good or bad results?I wonder if it can still be ordered from a web site or maybe a mail order? Anyone know?
See above information on ECA, same principals at Hydroxycut, but much, much cheaper!
 

Hi i'm God

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by swenard



What are they called?


I might be interested in inquiring about them.
there called Kwik Burn. But apperently there are better ones out there. It also has Guarana in them the same stuff in Rev.
 

poker face

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by ChrisD

-thyroid hormone, T3
-anorectic drug mazindol
-latest diet drugs Meridia and Xenical
-and of course Albuterol or Clenbuterol

just to name a few:)
Steriods!

I hear T3 is deadly if taken wrong

Hey chrisD what do you think of cutting gel?
 
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