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Emirates Airline vs. Air Canada (and now Europe too!)

Discussion in 'Politics (deprecated)' started by wakipaki, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. wakipaki

    wakipaki TRIBE Member

    Rebuke to Canada on 'frustrating' airline talks

    CBC News - Canada - UAE closes airspace to MacKay, Natynczyk

    Trade war declared on Gulf airlines

    As some of you may know, Air Canada has been aggressively lobbying Transport Authorities, at the airport agency and federal level for years not to allow Emirates and Ethihad airway (two UAE carriers) to get any more flights into Pearson and other Canadian cities than it currently has (3 times a week for each airline, i.e. 6 flights a week). Emirates wants to fly its A380 double decker every day into Toronto and also do twice a week to Vancouver and once a week to Calgary. There are a lot of interesting issues at play here, and if you read the blog comments at the bottom of the CBC article, there is the usual hate on for Air Canada, and red kneck borderline racism against the middle east that would be expected on such a forum.

    A couple of the issues:

    - Consumers at the end of the day are the ones getting hurt, Air Canada does not fly to Dubai or Abu Dhabi, if you want to get anywhere in the Gulf, South Asia or East Africa, your only current option on Air Canada is to fly to Europe (most likely Frankfurt) and transfer on to Star Alliance flight (most likely Lufthansa) whereas the Dubai flight opens up worlds of connection opportunities through the vast network operated by Emirates (Ethihad in Abu Dhabi), having flights evevery day to DXB creates more choice for consumers and increases the overall transport infrastructure / link of Canada

    - Air Canada cannot compete on quality, for anyone who's been on the A380 operated by Emirates you know what im talking about, brand new plane, staff that actually comes to your chair when you ring the bell, 1000 movies on demand, ergonomic seating, and an a la carte menu in economy!

    - Air Canada cannot compete on price, Emirates does not have to pay the same fees in Dubai International that Air Canada has to pay at Pearson

    - Lufthansa is terrible, i took the Frankfurt / DXB leg of the journey recently and there weren't even TVs, i.e. not even communal TVs that everyone had in the 80's

    - Air Canada claims non-competitiveness, protectionism, saying that Emirates airline is unfairly "subsidized" by its government, we all know this is relatively BS as Air Canada has had a terrible amount of Federal money poured into it over the last 20 years and has been responsible for shutting smaller carriers out of the market due to economies of scale ,

    - Air Canada claims that the Dubai route is unfair as most of the passengars (mostly from the Toronto South Asian community) aren't actually going to Dubai and are making a connection in DXB to somewhere in India (emirates flies to 20 places in South Asia, including obscurities like Peshawar etc..) and that there is no benefit to "Canadian Carriers"?! Where is the benefit to Canadian jobs when we go to Frankfurt and get on Lufthansa (or another Star Alliance member)?

    - Now the UAE is closing its airspace to the Canadian government in reaction!!! Its probably wrong to mix military / foreign policy with business, but to the UAE its all the same thing (its all foreign policy), so anyways, voila, and f*ck you Peter Mackay!
  2. acheron

    acheron TRIBE Member

    I had a feeling this would happen. Good one! All Dubai really has is it's almost perfect positioning as a hub... All the hasty construction of pretty buildings and landscaping is window dressing for the massive airport they're building. Air Canada needs some petard-hoisting of the first order.
  3. alexd

    alexd Administrator Staff Member

    Can con flight regulations may impress Canadian politricians, but they don't impress anyone else really. Like the government approved oligopoly of our cell phone and internet services, we end up paying more for less quality and shoddy service.

    If anyone has flown Emirates you'll know it is a superior airline to most carriers, especially to Air Canada.
  4. sheik rock

    sheik rock TRIBE Member

    Telecom jobs are very decent middle class jobs, many of which would go to the states if we didn't have a somewhat protected industry. If you think our cell and internet companies are shitty talk to some Americans, theirs are much worse.

    The high cost of cell phone service here is a function of us having a small, very distributed population. Your bill is subsidizing service in Moose jaw.
  5. alexd

    alexd Administrator Staff Member

  6. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    and our taxes pay for health care north of Pickle Lake.

    Get used to it.
  7. Dialog

    Dialog TRIBE Member

    This must be devastating for the tiny percentage of Canadians affected by this.

  8. alexd

    alexd Administrator Staff Member

    Where the hell is Pickle Lake?
  9. wakipaki

    wakipaki TRIBE Member

    lol like those that frequently internationally travel, considering we have one of the highest proportions of population born outside of the country, of any nation on earth!

    sorry we don't all live in pickle lake and go to the dominican once every 4 years

    (i know that comment was terrible, doing it to be funny)

    ps where's pickle lake
  10. wakipaki

    wakipaki TRIBE Member

    that's a nice story but not neccesarily true, the last time i drove accross canada (2 years ago) there was no cell phone service between sudbury and Sault Ste Marie and then all the way from Sault Ste Marie to Thunder Bay, then all the way to Winnepeg, its not as if the Canadian telcoms have delivered service to even the whole 200 km strip north of the American border

    fair enough on the Canadian telecom jobs protectionism, but there is no reason that you couldn't do spectrum auctions and require mind and management to be based in canada and even 51% canadian ownership if you wanted (and you could also claim that these provisions are for national security)
  11. Big Cheese

    Big Cheese TRIBE Member

    great post *thumbs up*

    p.s pickle lake is awesome, just let the cpl from the opp det. know where you'll be drinking and if you leave your truck out by the minnow, they'll totally give you a goodmorning wakeup call to go get your vehicle before most of the floats land in @ 10.
  12. sheik rock

    sheik rock TRIBE Member

    It has the advantage of being nice and also true. Which cell phone company were you with, because there are a fuckton of towers all along that route.

    How do you think the protectionism works now?
  13. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

  14. Wiseman

    Wiseman TRIBE Member

    Uhh.....the spectrum auctions did happen. And with ownership rules along the lines of what you just said.

    What was the point of your post again?
  15. alexd

    alexd Administrator Staff Member

  16. wakipaki

    wakipaki TRIBE Member

    that air canada is screwing me on flight options out of Pearson and that the Cons are a god dam joke, big Stevo talking about being economically conservative and then his transport minister refusing access to our airports!
  17. Hi i'm God

    Hi i'm God TRIBE Member

  18. AgentSanchez

    AgentSanchez TRIBE Promoter

    A couple hundred kilometers due north of Thunder Bay...
  19. kyfe

    kyfe TRIBE Member

    Exactly, I don't get it what you suggest is what already happens.

    Telcoms can no longer use the argument that they have to expand their cell network and the costs are massive. They've been building towers for the last 20 years it's no longer an excuse between Telus, Bell and Rogers the cell network does cover the majority of the more populated areas in Canada.

    The price we pay for Cell and Internet is criminal but the infrastructure is not the reason for high costs today.
  20. wakipaki

    wakipaki TRIBE Member

  21. sheik rock

    sheik rock TRIBE Member

    You realize every time there is a new technology they have to rebuild their networks from the ground up. Telus just spent 2 billion dollars to switch the HSPA from CDMA. All so people could have iPhones and faster data. Rogers is doing LTE next. Shaw has allocated a billion dollars to build their new network.
  22. wakipaki

    wakipaki TRIBE Member

    and of course that telecom investments would be amortized to high fees for 20 + years not be charged back to the consumer the year after they were implemented!

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