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Doug Ford, #jail2023

workdowntown

workdowntown

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It's remarkable how much of politics is about those elected agreeing to hold to precedent and restrain themselves from exercising all of the powers, all of the time.

If this latest Ford-as-Trump LARP teaches Ontario anything, it should be that the checks and balances are insufficient as they stand.
 
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Klubmasta Will

Klubmasta Will

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No, Doug Ford is not defying constitutional law

^ In this opinion piece, Professor Allan Hutchinson provides a possible winning argument for an applicant to strike down Ford's new override legislation.

First, although broad in sweep, s.33 explicitly does not apply to the democratic and voting rights in ss.3-6. The fact that Justice Belobaba found that the Ontario legislation denied “effective representation” might come to be significant and work to invalidate the override legislation.
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praktik

praktik

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workdowntown said:
It's remarkable how much of politics is about those elected agreeing to hold to precedent and restrain themselves from exercising all of the powers, all of the time.

If this latest Ford-as-Trump LARP teaches Ontario anything, it should be that the checks and balances are insufficient as they stand.
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I guess the feds have that "disallow" thing just hanging there for them too
 
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kyfe

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Bernnie Federko said:
Add Bill Davis (original signee to the charter) to Mulroney as another PC dissenter ...

Good read here

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This is probably one of the most important opinions on the matter, Davis actually was involved with writing the clause.
I think Dougie should listen to the real meaning
 
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praktik

praktik

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kyfe said:
This is probably one of the most important opinions on the matter, Davis actually was involved with writing the clause.
I think Dougie should listen to the real meaning
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Its a contrast with Scheer and the current fed "tories" who have just backed Ford.

Shows how far we've come as today's conservatives in Canada look South for their influence.

They used to look across the pond to a brand of conservatism born as a reaction to the French Revolution - the "Toryism" with roots in people like Burke/Oakeshott/many others. Deifenbaker was probably one of the last best examples of a true Tory PM - even Joe Clark was starting to get all American-ey and free-tradey and neo-liberal-ey (hes like a transition fossil really - with a very Tory temperament if not true tory politics...)

Nowadays its Judge Janine, Hannity and Trump that drive our conservatives. They look to race baiting, tax cut jingoism and corporate fellating now - its the Fox Newsification of the Canadian Right and it was happening long before Trump - he just put it up a notch maybe.
 
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Bernnie Federko

Bernnie Federko

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Scheer will likely be challenged after the next election (400 days from now) by Ford and Peter McKay for the PC leadership. I'm surprised he took this position. I'd love to have been in the room for the back and forth between his team on it.
 
wickedken

wickedken

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kyfe said:
This is probably one of the most important opinions on the matter, Davis actually was involved with writing the clause.
I think Dougie should listen to the real meaning
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The obvious question is that why didn't he "write the meaning" into the law when he had the chance? This would have completely avoided any ambiguity and need for interpretation from judges and tribe. Are we supposed to take his word on this now and disregard the possibility that decades of life would have changed the meaning for Davis? These "understandings" need to be written down to avoid the misuse we are seeing.
 
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kyfe

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wickedken said:
The obvious question is that why didn't he "write the meaning" into the law when he had the chance? This would have completely avoided any ambiguity and need for interpretation from judges and tribe. Are we supposed to take his word on this now and disregard the possibility that decades of life would have changed the meaning for Davis? These "understandings" need to be written down to avoid the misuse we are seeing.
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who would you believe? the guy that was there, involved and wrote the damn thing or the guy that wants to use the clause?

all laws are available for interpretation, you cannot possibly outline every potential situation that one may use the clause for and when they cannot. That's up to the government to vett it's usage and determine if it's in the best interests of the people.

Ford regardless of the interpretation of the clause is not doing what's in the best interests of all Ontarioans which to me is the greater issue
 
praktik

praktik

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wickedken said:
The obvious question is that why didn't he "write the meaning" into the law when he had the chance? This would have completely avoided any ambiguity and need for interpretation from judges and tribe. Are we supposed to take his word on this now and disregard the possibility that decades of life would have changed the meaning for Davis? These "understandings" need to be written down to avoid the misuse we are seeing.
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Now u just makin shit up - its uncanny though, your ability to do so
 
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