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Dont toot your own horn.

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by Dirty Girl, Jun 14, 2010.

  1. Dirty Girl

    Dirty Girl TRIBE Member

    Should the Vuvuzela be banned?
    Vuvuzelas might yet be banned from World Cup - Dirty Tackle - World SoccerBlog - Yahoo! Sports

    For those who don't ride on the crest of every Internet-football-hot-topic wave, the unrelenting foghorn-esque noise you have heard at World Cup games is produced by an instrument known as a vuvuzela -- a three-foot-long plastic trumpet traditionally blown throughout games to create an atmosphere. However, by pumping out sound up to 130 decibels -- 10 decibels above the human pain threshold -- they also are associated with causing hearing loss and communication problems on the pitch.

    Some 20 years after being introduced to the game in the early 1990s, the instrument came to prominence on the world stage during the 2009 Confederations Cup. TV stations were upset by the "goat being slaughtered" timbre, while players complained that they couldn't hear themselves think over the din. "It doesn't allow you to concentrate and it's unbearable," Spanish player Xabi Alonso said at the time. FIFA head honcho Sepp Blatter, however, pooh-poohed calls to ban the vuvuzela for World Cup 2010, insisting that we should not attempt to "Europeanize" the African tournament.

    [Photos: Wild fans celebrating all over South Africa]

    As expected, the vuvu has caused quite a kerfuffle at WC 2010 thus far. The drone has been giving TV networks and commentators grief, and FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke has reportedly toyed with the idea of handing out free earplugs in stadiums to avoid the barrage of lawsuits from the newly hard of hearing.

    World Cup organizing committee head Danny Jordaan addressed the issue Sunday, and refused to rule out a ban. From the AFP:

    "We have asked for no vuvuzelas during national anthems or during stadium announcements. I know it's a difficult question," he added, saying that "we're trying to manage the best we can.

    "We heard from the broadcasters and individuals and it's something we are evaluating on an on-going base.

    Jordaan told the BBC in an interview that he had to consider the option of banning the trumpets.

    "If there are grounds to do so, yes," he said, asked if a ban was an option.

    France captain Patrice Evra added fuel to the fire, claiming that the vuvuzela is the reason his side were so awful on Friday night:

    "We can't sleep at night because of the vuvuzelas. People start playing them from 6 a.m. We can't hear one another out on the pitch because of them."

    The vuvuzela is clearly much more than an irritating novelty; it's a divisive issue that is threatening the health of fans, affecting the quality of performances and ultimately putting people off of tuning in (will you honestly feel enthused to watch Slovakia vs. Paraguay knowing you'll have to endure 90 minutes of the sound of an angry beehive going through a blender?).

    [Video: A closer look at the vuvuzelas]

    Yet at the same time, Blatter is right (for once) when he says we should not impose Western values on South Africa. A ban would rob the tournament of part of its cultural identity, leaving thousands of locals perplexed: could you imagine being told by an international body that you could no longer drink beer at American football games, or fall asleep during baseball? The South Africans wouldn't take too kindly to having a national institution removed.

    As a compromise, perhaps the vuvuzela could be adapted so it isn't quite so loud? Or maybe it could be adjusted to produce a nice noise like the sound of John Mayer gargling honey?

    I just like to read the peoples comments under that article, they amuse me.
    so what do you think, should the vuvuzela be banned?

    personally i dont think its really fair to ban it, and I actually find the sound kind of soothing, however im not sitting next to one in the stands. But i do think the blow time should be abit more limited. I dont understand how there can constantly be someone blowing that thing for the entire time, there is never a moment of silence. never. dont these blowers run out of air.
  2. Sal De Ban

    Sal De Ban TRIBE Member

    ...and yet another reason why, regrettably, we need governments. welcome to toronto, G20!! :p
  3. ndrwrld

    ndrwrld TRIBE Member

    really ?
    REALLY ?
  4. Deus

    Deus TRIBE Member

    I don't mind them, because if that's what they do in South Africa then let them do it, but I miss hearing the cheers, the oohs, the aahs, and the boos.
  5. JEMZ

    JEMZ TRIBE Member

    I actually don't mind them, on my TV with my sound system it makes the stadium sound like a giant hornet's nest and adds a cool rhythem to the game.

    That being said, I cannot fathom how loud they must be when watching the England match and knowing there were 35,000 English fans who were in full voice and I could not hear a single song through their drone.
  6. alexd

    alexd Administrator Staff Member

    from bbc

    The one-note drone of massed plastic horns is the soundtrack to the 2010 World Cup. There'll be no ban, so is it possible to block out over-vuvuzealous parping?

    Loud enough for you? The incessant drone of vuvuzelas blown from start to finish of a World Cup football match can reach 130 decibels - louder than a referee's whistle or a chainsaw at full rip.

    While those in the stadium can revel in the atmosphere - and perhaps invest in the "vuvu-stop" ear plugs reportedly selling like hot cakes - fans outside the Rainbow Nation can be less forgiving.

    On TV or on radio, it can at times be a struggle to hear the commentary, let alone the familiar singing, cheering and jeering from the crowd. Complaints ring out from bar-room and barbecue, social media site and radio phone-in.

    A vuvuzela is tuned - to use the term loosely - at the B flat below middle C, and has a similar frequency to speech tones, says Trevor Cox, president of the Institute of Acoustics. This makes it particularly tricky for broadcasters to tune out, as to do so would dampen the commentators' voices - and not in a good way.

    Here's one solution...

    "I'm looking at its wave patterns and there are at least six very strong harmonics in there. It would sound really horrible to notch these out - if one coincides with the vowel sound e, you won't be able to hear the -es in the commentary. It would sound unnatural."

    To "notch out" is sound engineer speak for making a sound filter to block a certain frequency.

    Various online vendors claim to sell vuvuzela filters - such as a 45-minute MP3 noise-cancelling track to play during each half - and a German computer programmer has posted instructions online - in German - for building your own using a soundcard-equipped computer and specialist software. But buyer beware, says Professor Cox.

    Filtering out lower harmonics makes it much quieter, but the longer you listen, the more it appears to return because your brain is simply too good at extrapolating the sounds.
    - Chris Cannam, Centre for Digital Music, in comments section below

    "It's physically impossible to play a sound to cancel out another sound coming from your television. It sounds constant, but the noise is too random to be cancelled out. How can they know when England will fail to make a save and the vuvuzelas will go even more crazy?"

    So while broadcasters cannot simply block these frequencies for fear of disrupting words of wisdom from John Motson et al, sound engineers have been advised to dip certain frequencies when the massed horns are a-blowing particularly loudly.

    "They can also change the balance between crowd noise and the commentary box, as these have separate mics. But they wouldn't want to take out the crowd noise completely, because then there'd be no atmosphere," says Mr Cox, who is also professor of acoustics at Salford University.

    Viewer complaints

    The BBC has so far received 224 complaints about vuvuzela noise, a figure that may rise sharply once it broadcasts its England match (against Slovenia) next Wednesday.

    "We have already taken steps to minimise the noise and are continuing to monitor the situation," says a BBC spokeswoman. "If the vuvuzela continues to impact on audience enjoyment, we will look at what other options we can take to reduce the volume further."

    Fifa president Sepp Blatter says the vuvuzela is part of African footballing culture, and the organisers have ruled out a ban, instead urging fans to refrain from parping during national anthems and stadium announcements.

    But there is a silver lining. While insistent and incessant, a vuvuzela makes a dull sound free of the higher harmonics, which means it's not as piercing as it could be given its volume.

    "My advice? Get used to it - if you think it's annoying, you will get annoyed by it," says Mr Cox. "Embrace it, see it as a colourful part of the World Cup."

    And, failing that, there's always the mute button. The quirks of live subtitles can only add to the experience.
  7. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

    If you have a sumsung TV, you can EQ that shit out. There's instructions.

    I'm way used to it now. It's sort of growing on me. BUT, it's no substitute for signing, and chanting.
  8. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

    They only pause for a sip of beer.
  9. kirstenmeows

    kirstenmeows TRIBE Member

    I am actually grateful for this thread as I had no clue what a vuvuzela was. No, I'm not a fan of the 'footie', nor have I paid any attention to anything FIFA related. I kept hearing about these thingies, and was somewhat curious. but obviously not enough to google :p. Once again I have learned something new which is always a good thing, and can now happily go about my day. :)
  10. octo

    octo TRIBE Member

    were these things invented in africa? or did africans just take a liking to them and call them vuvuzelas? cause i bought one of the for the under 19 world cup and they weren't new to me at that time.
  11. bitchass

    bitchass TRIBE Member

    Why the need for a fancy name - its just a cheap plastic trumpet horn? These things have been around CFL and hockey games for decades. Although obviously not as many.
  12. solacevip

    solacevip TRIBE Promoter

    The people who are most upset are the announcers. Everyone around the world is turning down the volume. I have zero problems watching any sporting event without the announcers rambling on.

    Since folks are turning down the sounds of the horns.....they announcers are all vexed since they are turned down as well.

    My honest opinion? The sound for some reason reminds me of killer bees....which then makes me think of Wu Tang......

    Yeah...I'm gonna Wu Tang this soccer ball right through the fuckin' goalie.
  13. Zorro

    Zorro TRIBE Member

    This is the funniest part about all this. It's talked about like these are some ancient ritual and that they have been used for centuries by the people of South Africa, truth is it a a new thing, least decade, that they became popular, and it started with some Church using them to call people to the church. Now said church is thinking of suing?

    All very very strange.
  14. SJN

    SJN TRIBE Member

    I think my Dad bought me one at an Argos game about 25 years ago
  15. rawd

    rawd TRIBE Member


    vuvuzela until i die
  16. basilisk

    basilisk TRIBE Member

    And here I thought there was something very wrong with the television at this restaurant I walked into the other day... the entire place sounded like a bee's nest during the game! Vuvu-what?
  17. Deus

    Deus TRIBE Member

    lol @ vuvuzealous
  18. tripleup

    tripleup TRIBE Member

    Since when is South Africa "the rainbow nation" ?

    I thought they hated the gays.
  19. NCR

    NCR TRIBE Member

  20. acheron

    acheron TRIBE Member

    Isn't the play by play on subtitles? So put on some Tiesto on or whatever music fits and we're golden
  21. nikki.classics

    nikki.classics TRIBE Member



    All the noise, Noise, NOISE!
  22. diablo

    diablo TRIBE Member

    I like the drone. People were whining about the whistles and drums in the crowd at previous World Cups.

    In short, people need to man up and stop crying.
  23. AdamAnt

    AdamAnt TRIBE Member

    It's a real pain in the ass when listening to the game on Sirius.
  24. R4V4G3D_SKU11S

    R4V4G3D_SKU11S TRIBE Member

    I haven't actually heard the things, but from what I can gather, they are different sounding than the foghorn blowers we have here.
  25. Sal De Ban

    Sal De Ban TRIBE Member

    i wonder what kind of reaction you would get from pissing through a vuvzela onto his shoulder.

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