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Don't Forget To Vote! & the aftermath

skin deep

TRIBE Member
global respect?? can you point to me the global respect? haprer got the g8 AND g20 to Canada
the libs raided ei and slashed funding to provinces and also the military to get balanced budgets(in one of the best economic times ever to boot!), and what transparency???
they got CAUGHT and CHARGED stealing tax payer money, ffs, give your head a shake man

harper hasnt been the best pm, but he has been a fuckload better than the other options

yeah, all the libs need is for a leader the cons cant show ads about...good call
G8 summit hosted in Canada under Chretien: G8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

G20 summit didn't exist under Liberal rule: G-20 major economies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not even going to get into your other statements as I'm sure you'll be able to come up with some incorrect argument off the top of your head without researching it.
 

workdowntown

TRIBE Member
This just in: BBJ still a partisan retard that can only respond to legitimate criticism of the Cons with "WELL WHAT ABOUT THE LIEBERALS??".

Dude, you're a fucking joke and your minority interest party are too.
 

I_bRAD

TRIBE Member
doesnt matter that there has been zero spending on jets, or jails and those kinds of things need to be updated kind of like a computer or a federal party or they fall apart and become obsolete
Yeah, but Dad went out and replaced the old minivan with a Ferrari. Now we can't get groceries and the oil changes are 3 grand, but the neighbours sure are impressed.
 

JamesM

TRIBE Member
did anyone hear about this phone call brohaha ?

Ignatieff didn't call to congratulate the PM, and the tories were in a big huff about it. apparently...

Ya man.... Harper spends 15 million on dragging your name through the mud, now call me biatch and gimme some love! lol..

he did call him today.... but c'mon.. Did this need to become an issue ??

still no call from Duceppe.. dun dun dun..
 

JamesM

TRIBE Member
Rex Murphy: Liberal party may spend a long time out in the cold

It was the greatest vote-harvesting instrument of its kind. People who knew elections swore there had been nothing like it before. It was called invincible, invulnerable. And for election after election it was the despair of opposition parties and the nightmare of their successive leaders.

No one lasted very long against this mighty Liberal Party of Newfoundland, and the all-time champion of electoral victories, its indomitable leader — the Horowitz of the Dropped Writ — Joseph R. Smallwood.

As I watched the unravelling of the current federal Liberal party under Michael Ignataieff, I kept returning mentally to the glory days of the Smallwood Liberal party so many years ago. The scale of Mr. Ignatieff’s loss on Monday night was analogous to the shock the Liberal party felt when the near-messianic Smallwood was finally knocked off by Frank Moores — with some considerable help from John Crosbie — way back in the ’70s.

Mr. Ignatieff didn’t simply lose the election Monday night. He led a real General Custer charge. It is going to be a long time before the once-great Liberal party returns to the field in any real strength. Since the losses began under Paul Martin and the Tories moved to dominate the centre, they cannot claim to be even a shell of what they once were.

When Smallwood — finally — lost power in March, 1972, it took only months for the great machine he had ridden to six consecutive victories, and which had scoured Newfoundland of any coherent Conservative support since 1949, to fall into disrepair and decay.

From invincibility to a joke in a matter of less than a year. It went through a passel of “leaders” for nearly two decades. Leadership conventions became almost a habit — each new leader for a while proving more ineffectual than the previous. It was a long walk in the wilderness for a party once both dreadfully feared and wildly admired. It was a shock to everyone that the party which had defined Newfoundland politics could fall so far, so fast and tumble into a kind of painful and yet jokey irrelevance.

I will not strain the comparison. Newfoundland in the early ’70s is not Canada in 2011, but there is a real moral to be drawn from the example. Nothing wilts or decays faster, nothing loses the shine of charisma more easily, than a political party (once successful and feared) after a brutal loss. During Smallwood’s tenure the great daydreams of his cabinet ministers was that one day he’d leave, and one of them would ascend, naturally and painlessly, to the “eternal” Liberal throne. They thought, as we say today, “the brand” was beyond taint or decline. It immediately suffered when serious people no longer regarded it seriously. No one of any stature, with a couple of honourable exceptions, wanted to lead it.

I thought I saw subtle signs of that process even on election night. Is Justin Trudeau going to be as eager to ascend to leadership now that the vehicle of his ambition is in so tattered and battered a state? It’s one thing to take over a state-of-the-art political operation, quite another to inherit an also-ran that couldn’t even defeat the perpetual Ms. Congeniality of Canadian politics, the New Democrats.

This party is no longer a stylish, smoothly-revving sports car. It’s now a battered 15-year-old clunker. It has been routed utterly, ripped from its own great history of victory. This takes from it the aura of success, that almost genetic component of the Liberal party for most of the last century, which was part of its unshakable appeal even when it did — occasionally — fall from government. Many of its top candidates have lost their own seats, and its battered state will make recruiting a new leader from the outside difficult, just as the Newfoundland Liberals found almost 40 years ago. It will take courage, great industry and much time to restore it to even a fraction of its former glory.

In Newfoundland, it was roughly 20 years before Liberals could announce they were contesting a general election without the electorate breaking out in tears or laughter, or sometimes tears of laughter. For the sake of Canadian politics, I hope the federal party has a quicker repair. The Liberal party — and even its enemies should concede this — is a necessary element of our political heritage and our political present. But it should not underestimate extent of its wounds, and the immense, Herculean efforts that will be required to bring it back to serious contention again.

National Post
 

Boss Hog

TRIBE Member
I've been hearing a lot of comments about the 20 year old member of the NDP party.

Really, what's the problem? Yes she lacks the political longevity of a career politician, but she's going to learn pretty quickly. More importantly, she represents a contingent of new or first time young voters out there who are part of a demographic that often feels disengaged and underrepresented in parliament. Is it a bad thing for young Canadians to see someone who's 20 years old sitting in parliament? I think it's a powerful symbol.

Some people are complaining about a 20 year old pulling down that kind of salary... but she WAS elected by her riding. I think if nothing else it represents the shift that we need. I don't expect miracles from her. But I like it because seriously, the baby boomers have strong armed the vote for too long.
 

derek

TRIBE Member
even more mature candidates entering parliament for the first time are wet behind the ears.

also, she's in the opposition, so screw-ups won't gain the same recognition they would if it she was in the ruling party. they'll need a ton of coaching for sure.

she did get elected. if she doesn't perform, she probably won't next time.
 

basketballjones

TRIBE Member
Interim. Until the Leadership contest (which he has agreed not to run in).

Way to read the headline and not the story.
i did read the story yesterday. what story did you get that i didnt in all of the 4 papers?
he was not elected he was appointed, and no, he has not stated he wont run. he just said it isnt in the rules which we know the libs always stick by :rolleyes:.

either way, rae is some more of the same old same old.
 

basketballjones

TRIBE Member
^still dont see the facts im supposedly missing
a) he was appointed with no leadership convention
b) he has not stated he wont run for leadership, he has simply said it wasnt in the rules....one of the rules they tossed out the window is NOT having a leadership convention by october to VOTE in a new leader(i guess that rule doesnt count or something)
 

JamesM

TRIBE Member
^still dont see the facts im supposedly missing
a) he was appointed with no leadership convention
b) he has not stated he wont run for leadership, he has simply said it wasnt in the rules....one of the rules they tossed out the window is NOT having a leadership convention by october to VOTE in a new leader(i guess that rule doesnt count or something)
They've evaluated at the top level and appointed Rae as interim leader and made a decision to defer permanent selection to the end of 2012.. I do not see an issue with this..

But I'm with you.. Rae as permanent leader is suicide.. Like they learned nothing about how the tory war machine works. They need time to seek out someone proper.
 
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basketballjones

TRIBE Member
They've evaluated at the top level and appointed Rae as interim leader and made a decision to defer permanent selection to the end of 2012.. I do not see an issue with this..

But I'm with you.. Rae as permanent leader is suicide.. Like they learned nothing about how the tory war machine works. They need time to seek out someone proper.
so they tossed their own rule out the window as per usual.
 
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