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DND, Harper gov't trolling Wikipedia over fighter jets?

Discussion in 'Politics (deprecated)' started by Subsonic Chronic, Jul 31, 2010.

  1. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    This is kind of funny...

    Wikipedia jet edits traced to Alberta

    By David Pugliese, Postmedia News July 31, 2010

    The mystery of who at the Defence Department has been altering information on a Wikipedia website critical of the Conservative government's decision to spend billions on a new stealth jet is centred on the busiest fighter base in the country.

    Defence Department information technology specialists haven't yet been able to determine where the computers being used to alter the Wikipedia site are located, according to department officials in Ottawa.

    But using a readily available search engine on the Internet, the Ottawa Citizen has tracked the locations of the three computers to CFB Cold Lake, Alta. The base is expected to be a major centre for the Joint Strike Fighter the Harper government wants to buy.

    Nine attempts were made July 20 and 21 to alter the online encyclopedia's entry on the Joint Strike Fighter, including the removal of any information critical of the Conservative government's plan to spend at least $16 billion on the new fighter aircraft.

    Defence Department computers were also used to insert insults, aimed at Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff, into the Wikipedia Joint Strike Fighter page.

    Ignatieff has questioned the proposed purchase. Quotes from news articles outlining opposition to the arms deal by University of British Columbia professor Michael Byers, a former NDP candidate, were also removed.

    Wikipedia recorded the alterations as having come from three computers registered to Defence Research and Development Canada's Ottawa offices and has labelled the alterations as vandalism.

    Defence Research and Development Canada spokesman Martin Champoux confirmed the Internet Protocol addresses for computers used to access the Wikipedia site were registered to DRDC.

    But he added that other Defence Department computers are associated with those addresses as well.

    Software that provides the locations of particular computers based on their IP addresses showed that the three computers in question are at CFB Cold Lake.

    The attempts to change the webpage, made during government work hours, stopped when Wikipedia administrators temporarily locked down the entry on the new plane. That allowed only recognized editors to work on the page.

    That particular Wikipedia site is popular, with more than 78,000 page views in the first three weeks of July.

    Last night, a Defence Department spokeswoman said DND is still investigating the incident and, at this point, does not have any further details.

    A DRDC spokeswoman said that the organization does not have staff or computers at Cold Lake.

    Meanwhile, after the Wikipedia JSF site was re-opened for editing by the wider public, new attempts were made to remove information critical of the Harper government's decision on the fighters.

    Those are linked to a downtown Calgary location.

    The Harper government wants to purchase 65 Joint Strike Fighters. But opposition members of Parliament point out that the military just months ago received the last of its modernized CF-18 fighters, which are supposed to keep flying until at least 2017.

    Read more: Wikipedia jet edits traced to Alberta

    Here's the wikipedia page in question:

    Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

  2. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

    not surprised at all. Everyone knows the cons have hired some PR company to troll every single newspaper user groups.

    The cf18 jet crash too was a little too convenient, then the cf-18's sent out to intercept the Russian Bomber. With the tagline that our forces should be up to date enough, to intercept 50 year old airplanes.
  3. KodiaK

    KodiaK TRIBE Member

    what i dont get is why everyone is up in arms over this.

    Didnt canada put quite a bit of money into funding the JSF program to begin with?

    so what's the damn problem in replacing ancient ass old planes (if im not mistaken, they are not even super f18 hornets) with some high tech kick ass shit?
  4. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    My issue with the new planes is that once we have them, we'll want to use them. And then we'll end up signing up to future dumbass American-led missions because we have the capability and because America knows we'll have the capability and NOT using them in such missions could incur penalties in bilateral relations.

    We ended up in Afghanistan because we saw it as a balance to not going into Iraq.

    We ended up in Kandahar because we saw it as a balance to not saying yes to missile defence.

    We'll end up somewhere else with these planes because we'll see it as a tradeoff against another decision the Americans won't like.
  5. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

    putting money into the american war machine as a sorry thank you card. sounds about right.
  6. gak

    gak TRIBE Member

    But we were in Afghanistan more than a year before the Iraq War started so how could it be a trade off?
  7. atbell

    atbell TRIBE Member

    Troll programs can be set up easily enough using public software. A co-worker of mine set up a routine to catch all instances of our company name that ended up being "published" on line.

    That program (I think it is google based) is how I found out that my comments on the financial crisis were being addressed by the Federal Reserve. My co-worker came to me and showed me a .pdf of my comments which was re-released on-line before the meeting. The best part of that was reading an article by Alan Greenspan on the front of the Financial Times which recomended the same things as I did - only 3 months behind me ;)

    What I find interesting is how groups who are trolling for issues of interest to them choose where / how to react. Some of the more 'popular' topics, like say watching for comments about Steven Harper, have got to be returning hundreds of sights a day.
  8. atbell

    atbell TRIBE Member

    Sure, replace them ... to defend against ....???

    The closest thing to a credible threat is Russia and that's a pretty far stretch right now. That said, thinking that buying a few planes would register on Russian stratigic thinking is a laugh. If Russia decides to push Canada they will do it and no military option exists to resist. Thus the importance of political 'defenses'.

    We'd probably be better served investing half of the money in a 'new plane' fund for ten - twenty years and using the other half to spur the economy or improve international relations (which Harpers great at destroying). By the time the 'new plane' fund matured fighter developments would be expected to be well beyond what we'd get today for that money.
  9. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    I completely agree atbell - but an alternative that would still serve a conservative political goal, and one Harper highlighted for a time and insisted was a priority for him, would be taking half the fighter money and using it for even greater presence defending our interests in the Arctic. Further, this is also "defense" spending. And beyond all of that, the national interest is that much clearer - the threats gathering and more present - so I don't see why extra money to the Arctic beyond the bump we had already would be in any way a poorer strategic decision than buying a bunch of new fighter jets.

    Then take the other half and build some frickin transit in Toronto..;)
  10. atbell

    atbell TRIBE Member

    LOL -TTC ... trivial fact: Did you know that the Vancouver transit system runs trains without drivers and has no ticket collectors but employs transit police to circulate and catch non-ticket holders. Yet the TTC has two people per subway and a ticket collector... any of which could be collecting more than 100,000 a year!

    The artic push is very evident in Harpers military fetish. The new Navy comercials are one part of it and then there was a full on public Navy display in Ottawa between the National Arts Centre and the Chateaux Laurier all summer.
  11. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

    lately on the globe, there's been some partisan comments that miraculously make the thumbs up massive. total bs.

    avg lately is 600 thumbs up, yay for election. 5 thumbs down. then out of nowhere a 2000 thumbs up for some bottomfeeding remark about how iggy stinks.

    ya know.
  12. Sleepy Giant

    Sleepy Giant TRIBE Member

    Here we go again. Didn't the $500M cancellation lesson teach them anything?!?!
  13. Hi i'm God

    Hi i'm God TRIBE Member

    Cancel fee this:

    *middle finger*
  14. Big Cheese

    Big Cheese TRIBE Member

    what gets my arms up n' flailing is that it was an impending operational requirement to acquire the chinooks for our overseas deployment. which is why it was rushed... why the tories didn't release all the numbers for winterization modifications is beyond me since firstly, it would have covered their ass (within a political context) and secondly the dnd community very well knew that the next block that we would purchase and subsequently have delivered would take longer then what was in the papers... politics ftw :rolleyes:

    i mean we pretty much stole the initial ones comming off the factory line from the us army so we could get them to where we needed them. in the air and over the sandbox. the rest got lined up in the pipe (as they should) so it would be interesting to see how the report came to the conclusion that it'll take like what was it, 3 to 5 years after the purchase date to be delivered?

    and why isn't anybody mentioning the fact that Cyclone purchase got bumped back due to airframe and engine modifications by the company? and now iggy wants to scrap the lightnings for a "truly competitive bid"?

    hey fuckface Ujjal Dosanjh, post up some numbers. lets see whats out there. what other companies and different airframes can we compare and contrast against the f-35? we got into the JSF program from the get go (which was a good call in the longrun) so why the bullshit? we've already extended the lifetime of the powerplant once and twice for the airframe/weapon package of the cf 118. there is no other 5 gen fighter aircraft else out there that is cost effective and or as capable (for our airforce). wtf

    again, the dnd have to piss and moan to replace and update equipment to keep our forces current. i truly feel that military spending shouldn't be a top canadian priority, but it ought to be when we need to spend, purchase and train our armed forces so they can continue to fulfill their obligation to serve and protect canadians and our national interests. the last 20 years have been a shitshow and only within the past few have we really stepped up and begun to provide the right tools to the right people. the liberals kill this and iggy loses a vote in his riding. the end.

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