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DJ Mix CDs, bad principle?

Chiclet

TRIBE Promoter
So I went to a meeting tonight to organize a charity event and suggested a means of increasing revenue as giving mix CDs for a small donation.

The questions of the legality and prinicple came up from one of the members.

If this is bad prinicple, then wouldn't just having DJs play an event be wrong?

I know it's a grey area, but do you think it's bad? Is there a legal, feasible way for EDM DJs to fully legally perform or distribute the music they play? Seeing as how most of us barely make enough to cover the cost of the music alone?

If you don't think it's bad prinicple, how would you explain it to someone who doesn't listen to EDM?
 

Old Yeller

TRIBE Member
i don't really understand waht you are trying to say.

but djs are protected generally as long as they put "promo only not for resale" on the disc or cases.

if you need discs copied or printed, maybe i can do it tho!
 

physix

TRIBE Member
^ is that the case in Canada?

because "only for promo use" doesn't exempt
people in the US...

you record something
you hand it out
you just distributed something
regardless of if payment is made or not.


so, is it different in canada...? or is
this just a similarly misunderstanding
of copyright law?


but Djs would be protected with their
Djing at events because the VENUE
should be paying some sort of fee to
the music agencies (like we have
ASCAP and BMI in the US, i'm not
sure about canada)... so THAT's how
you can NOT feel bad about having
djs at an event.
 

basilisk

TRIBE Member
It's a grey area, but the fact is that almost all labels are cool with it if you throw in a track list with enough info so that people can find out more about the music if they wish.

If DJs can't spread mixes, then where are the gigs coming from, and what kind of motivation would they have for buying as much music as they do, and then how would the labels get by, and the artists get paid? It's all a big interconnected web that depends on a deregulated sort of approach to "the mix"... I question charging $20 for a mix CD, but when you've got a cover kickin and you're sellin them for $10 I say who cares?

Especially if it's for charity, jeebus.
 

basilisk

TRIBE Member
I'm still waiting for some clown to really rip into me for distributing mixes as wave files with bittorrent, actually.
 

AshG

Member
Originally posted by physix
^ is that the case in Canada?

because "only for promo use" doesn't exempt
people in the US...

you record something
you hand it out
you just distributed something
regardless of if payment is made or not.


so, is it different in canada...? or is
this just a similarly misunderstanding
of copyright law?


but Djs would be protected with their
Djing at events because the VENUE
should be paying some sort of fee to
the music agencies (like we have
ASCAP and BMI in the US, i'm not
sure about canada)... so THAT's how
you can NOT feel bad about having
djs at an event.
you're right on all counts.

that little "for promotional use only" line always makes me laugh - it provides no protection whatsoever.

generally its just an accepted thing in the underground music community, but by no means is it legal.
 

basketballjones

TRIBE Member
egads man....everyone run.....if u r GIVING stuff away the police will be onto u in seconds...since we live in a crime free country and all......if u state that it is a free cd and are making NO money whatsover...im pretty sure that the 5-0 will be onto u in 0 seconds flat....now if u were to shoot someone and then jam a cd into the wound,,,,david miller will usher in a free cd/shoot out focus group and u will be given 10 million dollars to rehabilitate yourself and any other charity cd givers.....
 

zoo

TRIBE Member
technically you need a license for every track you use in your mix intended for sale

but of course, this isn't feasible for every joe shmoe dj mix out there

so we use tracks in our mixes without license

now for Global Underground or Fabric to use unlicensed tracks, would be a punished crime
 

basketballjones

TRIBE Member
HEY!!!!!!!!
my name happens to be Joe Schmoe....u now owe me loot......

if u dont pay me X amount of dolla's...my legal team of Ernst and JUlio Gallo will be on u like a bum on a bottle of listerine
 

why not

TRIBE Member
when complaining about having to license tracks to do legal mixes, remember that licensing and compilations are what generally make more money for the artist who wrote the track than the vinyl ever will.
it might seem annoying that it's not legal to sell your own mix CDs, but without that bit of protection it would be very hard for many electronic musicians to make a living on it.
 

basilisk

TRIBE Member
Sure, but there's a diff between GU and spending the cash to print up a couple hundred of your own and make back maybe five bucks.

I sort of doubt labels/artists take small amounts - if you're going to ask at all it'll probably be some regular fee they'd also be throwing at the big boys, making the whole thing pointless.
 

why not

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by basilisk
Sure, but there's a diff between GU and spending the cash to print up a couple hundred of your own and make back maybe five bucks.

I sort of doubt labels/artists take small amounts - if you're going to ask at all it'll probably be some regular fee they'd also be throwing at the big boys, making the whole thing pointless.
someone i know was looking into how to do small runs legally, and they said it actually wasn't that costly or complicated.

however, i'll believe it when i see it.

small labels won't really care, you're right, but it's still not legal, therefore few stores will sell them anymore, and selling them for charity might not fly with the charity.
 

physix

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by basketballjones
egads man....everyone run.....if u r GIVING stuff away the police will be onto u in seconds...since we live in a crime free country and all......if u state that it is a free cd and are making NO money whatsover...im pretty sure that the 5-0 will be onto u in 0 seconds flat....now if u were to shoot someone and then jam a cd into the wound,,,,david miller will usher in a free cd/shoot out focus group and u will be given 10 million dollars to rehabilitate yourself and any other charity cd givers.....
yeah, but if you become extremely popular....
and RIAA got really desperate, they COULD
target you... who cares about the cops.


i fear businessmen.
 

physix

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by miss riot
EDM? Emergency Dance Maneouvers? New coinage? Me out of the loop?

by more than 10 years apparently. ;)


edm came in as soon as 'electronica'
went out...

(about 3 months after it was coined, by my figures)
 
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