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Disney: Still sucks
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el presidente Highsteppa
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They are. It makes for great psy ops warfare and propoganda for third world countries.
They were.
el presidente Highsteppa
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The documentary by Frontline I found a bit disappointing too, since they focused a lot more on the battle than the actual events and analysis that Bowden and U.S. officials had given when the dust settled. While it gave a better, honest face to those who were involved, it still sided very heavily with the Americans I found.
el presidente Highsteppa
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You have to remember that film and video games are fast becoming one of the top recruitment tools out there - far outweighing and leaving a greater impact than any 30 second commercials that get aired during a football game or any other male oriented event. Since Top Gun, they've poured TONS of money behind the films that portray the military in a positive light, or given them huge discounts (like renting out F-18's for something in the neighbourhood of $100/hour) in the making of the film. That's of course if they can see the script first and make "suggestions".
el presidente Highsteppa
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The military took a stab at reality tv with boot camp
There was also another show that was supposed to show the SOCOM side of the business (the people that sit in offices and troubleshoot around the world problematic areas and direct special forces into the frey) - but I don't know what happened to that show. I think that might be what you were talking about.
Well considering it was written orginally for the Philadelphia Inquire or whatever their big paper is can't remember right now. I can see how it was heavily sided with Americana. What the book did do a great JOB on was depecting what REALLY goes on in the US military as for how they covered it up treated their soliders and the lies that the american government spew to there people about such things including the manipulation of Clinton(Bill not Hillary). The read at the back is also very interesting with more stories from the soliders. I love the whle Delta Force stuff too in the book.
No what is Really fucked up shit is their manipulation of black people and their undrlying push to hold them down and use them as soliders.
funny story to share with you guys. I lived in California for a little over a year about 4 or 5 years ago now (wow time flys) And when deciding that America wasn't really a place I wanted to live (save that for another story) I hopped on the Bus to come home. Should be noted the only way to get to REALLY know people in a country is to travel with them i.e. Bus Train etc. Anyhow there was this guy who was in the army and on his way to see his daughter or something. So he's telling this story about be stationed in Germany and how there was no room on the base for them so the stayed at the Holiday Inn and got picked up and driven to the base in the morning and returned at night by BMWS. Well needless to say the many Americans on the bus thought this was great. Then I snickered and said Jesus do you know what Canandians would think if our soliders where having that done. They'd be screaming about our tax dollars being wasted. They didn't understand. Anyhow it wasn't the greatest telling of the story but you get the jest of it.
el presidente Highsteppa
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Not only that, but the complete omission of Mike Durant's (the only surviving Blackhawk Pilot) ordeal with his captors and how he went from martyr to heretic when he actually reported that his Somali captors treated him pretty well. The Frontline documentary was better in giving a more realistic and less fantastic depiction of what happened, but avoided the political analysis and criticism the book offered up. The book I thought for the most part was objective enough (either that, or I was just so completely hypnotized by Bowden's rather bland descriptions and lack of metaphores) to paint a fairly balanced picture of what happened and what went wrong. But Bowden seemed more interested in re-creating with accuracy what happened in Somalia than telling a good story, imo.
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windowlicker
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After the movie came out, Helfgott's family was appalled at how they had been portrayed on screen, prompting filmmakers to admit that certain facts had been 'embellished'. Also, though technically proficient, Helfgott wasn't that great of a pianist.
Noone really cared though- it certainly didn't stop Geoffrey Rush from winning an oscar
Booty Bits
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the thing about the story told in Shine was that the father truly believed that he was doing right by David. i thought it was an incredible relationship because of how much more complex it was than most tyrant dad/talented kid type relationships are portrayed in film.
that whole idea that survivors of the holocaust don't trust anyone outside of their family and will do anything to keep it together is completely true. i've seen it in my own family.
obviously no one outside of their family will truly know how it was in their house, but is the family claiming that the father was completely supportive of David's musical career? because if that's the case, then they did a disservice to his family.
that whole idea that survivors of the holocaust don't trust anyone outside of their family and will do anything to keep it together is completely true. i've seen it in my own family.
obviously no one outside of their family will truly know how it was in their house, but is the family claiming that the father was completely supportive of David's musical career? because if that's the case, then they did a disservice to his family.
Booty Bits
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that being said, i see a chasm of difference between embellishing aspects of the relationship between 2 real people and trying to pawn off a work of complete fiction as a true story. (Shine vs. Hidalgo)
windowlicker
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Helfgott's wife who never actually met his father yet she used him to 'reinforce' her portrayal of David as a tortured and oppressed artist, when his father actually was supportive of his career. He did oppose David leaving the home, but only b/c he was clearly mentally unstable and incapable of living on his own. In the end he signed the documents enabling David to leave and continued to correspond with him (contrary to his wife's claims that they were estranged).
I guess its a matter of opinion but to me, a crock is a crock.
I guess its a matter of opinion but to me, a crock is a crock.
Are you upset because we aren't feeding your propensity for blowing things out of proportion?
You blame the idiots (that's why I'm blaming you for this argument) of course. Your argument is like blaming McDonalds for making people fat. McDonalds doesn't make people fat. Stupid people eat unhealthily and become fat.
Film is almost always propaganda, the film makers are disseminating their views on events or ideas.
Just because you feel threatened in some way by Disney, and its Disneyfication of things, is no reason to get your panties in a knot.
So they change a story to make it fit their views, who gives a fuck? It's not like this is the documentary channel, or school. I don't hear you complaining about science being taught in school, even though science is just theory, not fact (for the most part, especially cutting edge stuff).
It is up to people to look at the information they are provided, and establish if it is factual or not. People don't take enough responsiblity for their own learning and actions.
People like you furthur that problem by blaming everyone else for everything you think is wrong, rather than doing anything about it.
Boss Hog
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Please clarify 'blowing things out of proportion.' Because if calling things to attention is automatically blowing them out of proportion I'd like to examine the path of logic you took to get there.
You're right. Because McDonald's doesn't manufacture, market to children, and promote their marginal health benefits. It's the people who are guilty of all that!
What am I saying. You're wrong. 50% wrong.
What are you talking about? I don't feel threatened. Here comes another chump who starts superimposing arguments on what another persons opinion didn't mean.
This isn't about "feeling threatened". It's about being frustrated with the amount of retelling of history that is going on in cinema lately, in LIGHT of other world events that are going on.
Am I the only one that realizes the importance of the time we're living in, and the impact these films make? Did you read the other posts in this thread? Are you a thinking person?
Hang out with me then, we'll go for some river otter and ketchup. I can tell you all about my long list of complaints. It will make you delighted.
Wrong. I blame morons like you who make arguments like the one you just made. Meanwhile, outside of bitching about it on Tribe (a vehicle, a by product of what I do outside in real life) I actually do go out and do things about it.
If you're going to continue this, drop the presumption or I'll start in with my very own brand of it. And it is ugly.