Cruel and Unusual Punishment

[tommysmalls]

That American woman who had post-partem depression was found guilty (no surprise) but they rejected her plea of insanity - instead, she'll be locked behind bars for the rest of her life, starting with an indefinite term in solitary confinement!!.

I guess she got spared from being sentenced to death row, where 2 of the 8 women were guilty of killing their kids.

Anybody else think that there's something wrong here??

here's the link: http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/15/yates.prison/

 

[Klubmasta Will]

seems like a just punishment. what would you do with her?

 

[Evil Dynovac]

You think the mother should be on death row?

I don't know. Freaked out mothers isn't my first choice of who needs to go to the gas chamber.

Life in solitary is pretty intense. Her life is over man.

 

[Bass-Invader]

living in a box alone for the rest of your life would probably suck more than dying.

 

[The Peej]

Life in solitary is pretty intense. Her life is over man. [/B][/QUOTE]


Yeah... her kid's lives are prety much over too... seeing as how she ended their lives...

The Peej ( sorry this ever happens ever anywhere, happy to be alive )

 

[Klubmasta Will]

she's in solitary confinement because it's such a high-profile case. if they put her in the general population, someone may knock her off.

the article says that they may try to integrate her in with the other prisoners in a few years.

 

[madnezz]

I think she needs help, not just prison.

adios
Laura

 

[Klubmasta Will]

Originally posted by madnezz
I think she needs help, not just prison.

you're probably right, but who's gonna pay for it? psychiatrists are expensive and the u.s. is having enough trouble finding food and shelter for people who have NOT killed their own kids.

i don't want to sound callous but i'd bet that 99% of these wackos can point to something in their past that makes what they did "not their fault". at some point, we have to be content with locking them away and try our best to fix the rest of society.

 

[madnezz]

Originally posted by Klubmasta Will
the u.s. is having enough trouble finding food and shelter for people who have NOT killed their own kids.

hahahahhahaha fair enough *grin*

adios
Laura

 

[tommysmalls]

Originally posted by Klubmasta Will


you're probably right, but who's gonna pay for it? psychiatrists are expensive and the u.s. is having enough trouble finding food and shelter for people who have NOT killed their own kids.

well hold on here - the government will be paying for her food and shelter now that she's in prison

...and let me get this straight - their locking her in a tiny box "for her protection" ????

how humane

the way i see it, the only people that are at risk are her children - she brought them into this world, and then she brought them out of this world - sure its tragic, but in this case i think the justice system is equally tragic

like madnezz said - she needs help, not solitarty confinement.

 

[kodos]

harvest the organs

 

[Klubmasta Will]

Originally posted by tommysmalls
well hold on here - the government will be paying for her food and shelter now that she's in prison

food and shelter in a prison does not cost nearly as much as psychiatric treatment and care. proper doctors are incredibly expensive - probably 20-50 times the cost of simply incarcerating someone.

...and let me get this straight - their locking her in a tiny box "for her protection" ????

how humane

hey dude, don't roll your eyes unless you can offer up a better solution. it's easy to say "she needs help".

if you criticize, you should offer up a *practical* solution - i.e. who is going to foot the bill for being so generous to convicted murderers?

 

[HMP]

Originally posted by tommysmalls


well hold on here - the government will be paying for her food and shelter now that she's in prison

...and let me get this straight - their locking her in a tiny box "for her protection" ????

how humane

the way i see it, the only people that are at risk are her children - she brought them into this world, and then she brought them out of this world - sure its tragic, but in this case i think the justice system is equally tragic

like madnezz said - she needs help, not solitarty confinement.

well put, both of you. a mental hospital is a jail all the same. i can't imagine the pain that would drive a mother to kill her own children. devastating.

 

[jebac]

nothing can justify the murder of 5 children, especially if it was their own mother that murdered them... how sick is that

this woman should have been executed, but the sentance she has now is just as good...

-jebac

 

[kyfe]

I agree with Will, as inhumane as prision is, her death would be imminent in prision, you warm & fuzzy's can chat all day about how inhumane jail, deathrow or asylums are all you want. When it's time for them to be let out we'll suggest they move nextdoor to you and check your double standards then... I think we live in a society when people can do almost anything and get away with it if they have enough money... to me that's inhumane but it's justice and she should pay some price....

Kyfe

 

[tommysmalls]

Originally posted by Klubmasta Will


if you criticize, you should offer up a *practical* solution - i.e. who is going to foot the bill for being so generous to convicted murderers?

i'll offer a practical solution - don't lock her up in a tiny box for 23 hours a day - do you think that her fellow inmates would kill her for her crimes??

how many female inmates get killed in captivity in america per year?

 

[tommysmalls]

Originally posted by Klubmasta Will


if you criticize, you should offer up a *practical* solution - i.e. who is going to foot the bill for being so generous to convicted murderers?

i'll offer a practical solution - don't lock her up in a tiny box for 23 hours a day - do you think that her fellow inmates would kill her for her crimes??

how many female inmates get killed in captivity in america per year?

 

[Bass-Invader]

Originally posted by tommysmalls


i'll offer a practical solution - don't lock her up in a tiny box for 23 hours a day - do you think that her fellow inmates would kill her for her crimes??

yes. It happens often.

 

[tommysmalls]

^^^ to clarify - i agree to an extent with imprisonment - but solitary confinement is the part that i find cruel.

 

[voytek]

Originally posted by I_Cum_Blood
the broad needs to be tied down and cut up - SLOWLY.

our society is far to bent on screaming victim and mental anguish. it seems that we lost sight of something - SHE KILLED HER FUCKIN KIDS! and when the oldest made a run for it she chased him down and drowned him.

screw her.

to make your point more valid, you may want to use visual aids:

if solitary confinement means having her own hi-tech cell, then she's getting off easy... if soiltary confinement means "the hole", (which I don't think it does, since I saw Murder in the First) then she'd be better off dead...

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[Klubmasta Will]

Originally posted by tommysmalls
i'll offer a practical solution - don't lock her up in a tiny box for 23 hours a day - do you think that her fellow inmates would kill her for her crimes??

how many female inmates get killed in captivity in america per year?

1. it's not "a tiny box". sure, the dimensions are small but that's because it's a prison cell. she'll have all the same amenities (light, fresh air, a bed, a toilet, etc.) as other people in prison cells, only she won't have a cell-mate.

2. the article says that she must be secluded from the rest of the population - temporarily - because of a number of factors, the most prevalent factor being her notariety.

she is NOT an ordinary inmate. not even close. she's the lead story on every newspaper, news broadcast and news website in the country. who knows how the rest of the prison population will react to her?

if they put her in general population DESPITE warnings from experts that the other inmates may try to knock her off, the state government would be opening itself up to a multi-million dollar lawsuit by the yates family.

 

[tommysmalls]

Originally posted by Bass-Invader


yes. It happens often.

wild - i had no idea!

 

[janiecakes]

Originally posted by Klubmasta Will

she'll have all the same amenities (light, fresh air, a bed, a toilet, etc.) as other people in prison cells, only she won't have a cell-mate.

i see what you're saying, but that sentence makes it seem like the only difference between yates and the rest of the prison population is no cellmate. being locked in your cell 23 hours a day (except for visits w/ psychiatrists and stuff) is a huge difference.

also, 'temporarily' is actually a few years, according to the article.

i think that people are reacting to the term 'solitary confinement'. i think it's called 'protective custody' in canada, and it's common practice for inmates who have committed crimes like child rape, or inmates who've become informants (or gained notoriety like this case). they do it when they think that releasing an inmate into the general prison population will mean that they'll get injured or killed by other inmates.

 

[Bass-Invader]

Originally posted by tommysmalls


wild - i had no idea!

dah-mer

 

[Plato]

^^^now now, he hasnt been charged wiuth anything other than abduction yet.

gotta give the bastard the benefit of the doubt.

fucking bastard.

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