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praktik

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This is all way less fun than the possibility it escaped and is being covered up.

Americans all up in a tizzy about it - the media seems to have really built it up the past week.

Feels like Americans kind of WANT it to be the lab pretty badly now. Even Redfield has some CYA I think tipping him in that direction, not like the CDC covered itself in glory.

Whatever the americans do find, especially if it's a lab, we'll want to see the Europeans and other Asian governments lining up and saying the American analysis is credible.
 

praktik

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This is all way less fun than the possibility it escaped and is being covered up.

Just thought it was kind of funny for the rando twitter guy all hot for the lab origin to be like - Oh ya - what do YOU know?

(to the experienced scientist in the field reminding us of the probability of zoonotic vs lab origin)

And the guy he's talking to basically runs an institute in the field doing direct science in virology

Twitter Pwned

 
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Americans all up in a tizzy about it - the media seems to have really built it up the past week.

Feels like Americans kind of WANT it to be the lab pretty badly now. Even Redfield has some CYA I think tipping him in that direction, not like the CDC covered itself in glory.

Whatever the americans do find, especially if it's a lab, we'll want to see the Europeans and other Asian governments lining up and saying the American analysis is credible.

Yeah, cause it kind of glosses over the lie of American exceptionalism and how they let a half million die because of their own incompetence and arrogance.
 

praktik

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Yeah, cause it kind of glosses over the lie of American exceptionalism and how they let a half million die because of their own incompetence and arrogance.
And the china thing. Like lets not forget there's some kind of weird China thing in US politics.

Look the lab origin is a non-zero chance, it's just less likely than zoonotic - that's all. The chance it was manipulated on purpose by the Chinese is the least likely of all lab hypotheses (more likely lab hypothesis: a real zoonotic jump that was *facilitated* at a lab from a real animal reservoir, and left the lab due to human folly, not planning)

But I think no matter what happens a portion of Americans will always believe this was lab origin, like with HIV right, a certain segment of population still believes THAT even though we can trace it's genetic history back to the beginning of the 20th century, when no lab existed on the planet with the tools and techniques to manipulate HIV!
 
The U.S. seems to be having trouble casting the Chinese in a traditional scapegoat role that they had reserved for Russia during the cold war - problem is, their "adversary" is holding most of the U.S. debt and embraces economics rather than borderline ignore it like the USSR tried to. Russia and the U.S. were never this economically dependent on each other like the U.S. and China are.

And I'm getting the sense that China is getting tired of being cast as the bad guy and starting to flex their economic muscle and do some damage to the U.S. economy if the U.S. doesn't smarten up.
 
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alexd

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The U.S. seems to be having trouble casting the Chinese in a traditional scapegoat role that they had reserved for Russia during the cold war - problem is, their "adversary" is holding most of the U.S. debt and embraces economics rather than borderline ignore it like the USSR tried to. Russia and the U.S. were never this economically dependent on each other like the U.S. and China are.

And I'm getting the sense that China is getting tired of being cast as the bad guy and starting to flex their economic muscle and do some damage to the U.S. economy if the U.S. doesn't smarten up.
This shift to China as the dominant world power will be very messy.
 

kyfe

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This shift to China as the dominant world power will be very messy.
the shift happened a decade or two ago, just nobody was paying attention of the totality. It's still ongoing but China own a big stake in every major industry/commodity globally.
 
the shift happened a decade or two ago, just nobody was paying attention of the totality. It's still ongoing but China own a big stake in every major industry/commodity globally.

I think we've entered a new phase of the shift - on a social/cultural front

John Cena might have tanked the F9 sequel being screened in China - for saying that Taiwan was a country and was one of the first ones to see it screened. The public is not accepting his apology (his apology was in Cantonese no less) and is responding with hostility. The film Monster Hunter was made particularly with the Chinese market in mind, but got blocked from being screened because of a joke involving wordplay on the word Chinese - which has crippled it's projected box office return and any hopes of a sequel. BTS has an extremely rocky relationship with the Chinese Government and the Chinese general public for past things they've said. Lady Gaga is a persona non grata after having met with the Dali Lama.

These aren't considered small slights with each of the artists involved- most of these people command huge followings (some in China particularly) and are being shut out of the largest developing market in the world. Chinese film screens will only screen a certain number of western films (usually 10 a year), and aren't afraid to end the contract on the slightest provocation - it's part of the reason Disney is very desperate to bend over backwards to appease the Chinese government. They know their future fortunes depends on them and that pleasing them is the key to accessing that fortune.

China is starting to make moves on influencing the media and dictating the terms of what's acceptable to them and what isn't. Anything that isn't, doesn't get a chance to be seen/heard in China and will likely be at a huge economic disadvantage.
 
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praktik

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A really excellent walk through of the key points of evidence marshalled to push the lab origin narrative in american media lately - in a nutshell?

Nothing from the last month really advances the case forward concretely - and many points made have been exagerrated by certain forces online and in media to be more lab favourable than they really are:


He quotes an excellent source @ the bottom of it all which is a good summation - essentially the US media and even weirdos like Glenn Greenwald are *way out* over their skis on this one:

"If the question is “are both hypotheses possible?” the answer is yes. Both are possible. If the question is “are they equally likely?” the answer is absolutely not. One hypothesis requires a colossal cover-up and the silent, unswerving, leak-proof compliance of a vast network of scientists, civilians, and government officials for over a year. The other requires only for biology to behave as it always has, for a family of viruses that have done this before to do it again. The zoonotic spillover hypothesis is simple and explains everything. It’s scientific malpractice to pretend that one idea is equally as meritorious as the other. The lab-leak hypothesis is a scientific deus ex machina, a narrative shortcut that points a finger at a specific set of bad actors. I would be embarrassed to stand up in front of a room of scientists, lay out both hypotheses, and then pretend that one isn’t clearly, obviously better than the other."
 

praktik

TRIBE Member
A really excellent walk through of the key points of evidence marshalled to push the lab origin narrative in american media lately - in a nutshell?

Nothing from the last month really advances the case forward concretely - and many points made have been exagerrated by certain forces online and in media to be more lab favourable than they really are:


He quotes an excellent source @ the bottom of it all which is a good summation - essentially the US media and even weirdos like Glenn Greenwald are *way out* over their skis on this one:

"If the question is “are both hypotheses possible?” the answer is yes. Both are possible. If the question is “are they equally likely?” the answer is absolutely not. One hypothesis requires a colossal cover-up and the silent, unswerving, leak-proof compliance of a vast network of scientists, civilians, and government officials for over a year. The other requires only for biology to behave as it always has, for a family of viruses that have done this before to do it again. The zoonotic spillover hypothesis is simple and explains everything. It’s scientific malpractice to pretend that one idea is equally as meritorious as the other. The lab-leak hypothesis is a scientific deus ex machina, a narrative shortcut that points a finger at a specific set of bad actors. I would be embarrassed to stand up in front of a room of scientists, lay out both hypotheses, and then pretend that one isn’t clearly, obviously better than the other."

Linked @ the end, a wortwhile video - might keep tabs on this one as other shows might be interesting too!

 
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Bernnie Federko

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I think we've entered a new phase of the shift - on a social/cultural front

John Cena might have tanked the F9 sequel being screened in China - for saying that Taiwan was a country and was one of the first ones to see it screened. The public is not accepting his apology (his apology was in Cantonese no less) and is responding with hostility. The film Monster Hunter was made particularly with the Chinese market in mind, but got blocked from being screened because of a joke involving wordplay on the word Chinese - which has crippled it's projected box office return and any hopes of a sequel. BTS has an extremely rocky relationship with the Chinese Government and the Chinese general public for past things they've said. Lady Gaga is a persona non grata after having met with the Dali Lama.

These aren't considered small slights with each of the artists involved- most of these people command huge followings (some in China particularly) and are being shut out of the largest developing market in the world. Chinese film screens will only screen a certain number of western films (usually 10 a year), and aren't afraid to end the contract on the slightest provocation - it's part of the reason Disney is very desperate to bend over backwards to appease the Chinese government. They know their future fortunes depends on them and that pleasing them is the key to accessing that fortune.

China is starting to make moves on influencing the media and dictating the terms of what's acceptable to them and what isn't. Anything that isn't, doesn't get a chance to be seen/heard in China and will likely be at a huge economic disadvantage.

China can't keep everyone enslaved there, they're less than a century removed from their most recent Revolution. Only a matter of time before the volcano erupts.
 
Meanwhile in Alberta, Jason Kenney shows this late in the game he still doesn't get it.


The man who blamed the NDP for the forest fires in his province a few years ago, still saying that judging him over how he handled the pandemic is "unfair" and even when he's breaking the rules, he insists he isn't.

Gotta love the place is named "Sky Palace"
 
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