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wickedken
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The most hilarious article ever published by the NYTimes
Golden quotes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/us/more-federal-agencies-are-using-undercover-operations.html
"small teams of undercover officers dress as students at large demonstrations outside the courthouse and join the protests to look for suspicious activity, according to officials familiar with the practice."
"the director of the F.B.I., was forced to defend the bureau’s tactics after it was disclosed that an agent had posed as an Associated Press reporter in 2007 in trying to identify the source of bomb threats"
" Drug Enforcement Administration stoked controversy after disclosures that an undercover agent had created a fake Facebook page from the photos of a young woman in Watertown, N.Y. — without her knowledge — to lure drug suspects."
"But the agency said in a statement that senior officials “are not aware of any investigations where special agents have ever posed as attorneys, physicians, members of the clergy or members of the press specifically to gain information from a privileged relationship."" (emphasis added)
"undercover work has become common enough that undercover agents sometimes find themselves investigating a supposed criminal who turns out to be someone from a different agency, law enforcement officials said. In a few situations, agents have even drawn their weapons on each other before realizing that both worked for the federal government."
btw saturday night is the new friday night.
Golden quotes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/us/more-federal-agencies-are-using-undercover-operations.html
"small teams of undercover officers dress as students at large demonstrations outside the courthouse and join the protests to look for suspicious activity, according to officials familiar with the practice."
"the director of the F.B.I., was forced to defend the bureau’s tactics after it was disclosed that an agent had posed as an Associated Press reporter in 2007 in trying to identify the source of bomb threats"
" Drug Enforcement Administration stoked controversy after disclosures that an undercover agent had created a fake Facebook page from the photos of a young woman in Watertown, N.Y. — without her knowledge — to lure drug suspects."
"But the agency said in a statement that senior officials “are not aware of any investigations where special agents have ever posed as attorneys, physicians, members of the clergy or members of the press specifically to gain information from a privileged relationship."" (emphasis added)
"undercover work has become common enough that undercover agents sometimes find themselves investigating a supposed criminal who turns out to be someone from a different agency, law enforcement officials said. In a few situations, agents have even drawn their weapons on each other before realizing that both worked for the federal government."
btw saturday night is the new friday night.
praktik
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praktik
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Cointelpro was put in the official record too... Came out of Senate hearings after watergate
Lots if crazy /silly stuff too like the example in the modern story about two undercover agents pulling weapons on each other. The counterculture was literally riddled with provocateurs
Lots if crazy /silly stuff too like the example in the modern story about two undercover agents pulling weapons on each other. The counterculture was literally riddled with provocateurs
praktik
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Another sovereign citizen loses in court - will this be the time the rest of the movement realizes their legal theories are bunk?
What's interesting about this particular one is he's the guy who minted his own coin "The Liberty Dollar", which you may remember from not so long ago if you are a fellow follower of the Kook-o-sphere
Federal Judge in North Carolina Upholds Liberty Dollar Founder’s Conviction
What's interesting about this particular one is he's the guy who minted his own coin "The Liberty Dollar", which you may remember from not so long ago if you are a fellow follower of the Kook-o-sphere
Federal Judge in North Carolina Upholds Liberty Dollar Founder’s Conviction
ndrwrld
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sorry, didn't know where to put this...
House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research - Salon.com
unbelievable.
House Republicans just passed a bill forbidding scientists from advising the EPA on their own research - Salon.com
unbelievable.
praktik
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Why Do People Believe in Conspiracy Theories? - Scientific American
Shermer drops some skeptic on conspiracies
Shermer drops some skeptic on conspiracies
praktik
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Conspiracy theory psychology: People who claim to know the truth about JFK, UFOs, and 9/11.
The typically excellent Will Saletan from Slate (quoted recently in the Israel/Palestine thread) turns his attention to the psychology of conspiracy theory...
The typically excellent Will Saletan from Slate (quoted recently in the Israel/Palestine thread) turns his attention to the psychology of conspiracy theory...
ndrwrld
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praktik
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Very interesting read of an ex-NFL player and his journey into - and out of - 9/11 conspiracy theory:
Here's Why 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Still Thrive In America
"Because I felt I had reached my own conclusions, based on my own research, my position was that much more unshakable. Contrast the respect with which many conspiracy theorists treat their audience with the government's posture, which is to offer as little information as possible. Whatever I read in the media afterward, I viewed through the prism of "Loose Change." (Indeed, surveys consistently show that people who believe in conspiracy theories are paradoxically far more informed about an issue than those who don't. If you've ever debated a climate-change denier, you've seen this phenomenon firsthand.)"
"I got deeper and deeper into the conspiracy world than I'd like to admit -- to the point that my good friend Steve Boucher was calling me out in a 2010 interview with Yahoo. It was partly the accumulation of it all that made me start doubting where I was headed. To listen to Alex Jones, everything is a conspiracy, every tragedy a false flag, every explanation a coverup. I began to wonder.
I think the moment the conspiracists finally lost me came when they started proclaiming that President Obama was the Antichrist, essentially sent to America, presumably from Kenya, by an evil cabal to destroy U.S. sovereignty and establish a global government. Obama has done plenty that I've disagreed with, as my Twitter feed will attest, but the Antichrist?"
Very high level of introspection from this guy - very happy he made his way out of the rabbit hole, not many do...
Here's Why 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Still Thrive In America
"Because I felt I had reached my own conclusions, based on my own research, my position was that much more unshakable. Contrast the respect with which many conspiracy theorists treat their audience with the government's posture, which is to offer as little information as possible. Whatever I read in the media afterward, I viewed through the prism of "Loose Change." (Indeed, surveys consistently show that people who believe in conspiracy theories are paradoxically far more informed about an issue than those who don't. If you've ever debated a climate-change denier, you've seen this phenomenon firsthand.)"
"I got deeper and deeper into the conspiracy world than I'd like to admit -- to the point that my good friend Steve Boucher was calling me out in a 2010 interview with Yahoo. It was partly the accumulation of it all that made me start doubting where I was headed. To listen to Alex Jones, everything is a conspiracy, every tragedy a false flag, every explanation a coverup. I began to wonder.
I think the moment the conspiracists finally lost me came when they started proclaiming that President Obama was the Antichrist, essentially sent to America, presumably from Kenya, by an evil cabal to destroy U.S. sovereignty and establish a global government. Obama has done plenty that I've disagreed with, as my Twitter feed will attest, but the Antichrist?"
Very high level of introspection from this guy - very happy he made his way out of the rabbit hole, not many do...
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praktik
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Interesting to see the change in Dylan Avery!!
"The young filmmaker whose video helped start me down this path has since gone through his own evolution. In an interview earlier this year, Dylan Avery, director of "Loose Change," was asked whether he really thought the Bush administration planned the 9/11 attacks. "In 2005 or 2006, if you asked if the Bush administration planned the attacks, I would have said, ‘F**k yeah,'" he said.
But today he's no longer convinced. "I don’t think Bush could plan a bowl of cereal," he said."
"The young filmmaker whose video helped start me down this path has since gone through his own evolution. In an interview earlier this year, Dylan Avery, director of "Loose Change," was asked whether he really thought the Bush administration planned the 9/11 attacks. "In 2005 or 2006, if you asked if the Bush administration planned the attacks, I would have said, ‘F**k yeah,'" he said.
But today he's no longer convinced. "I don’t think Bush could plan a bowl of cereal," he said."
praktik
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Onion does it again, hilarious!
9/11 Truther Vows Not To Rest Until Everyone Knows He An Asshole | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
9/11 Truther Vows Not To Rest Until Everyone Knows He An Asshole | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
praktik
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This is one of the best things I have ever read on conspiracy matters - a devastating critique of Illuminati theories and especially those versions propogated by Alex Jones.
You will not find a much better capturing of the traditional activist left critique of conspiracy thinking!
New World Order or Business as Usual? -- An Open Letter to Supporters of Infowars and Alex Jones
The rest goes into some amazing detail - you are seriously hurting yourself if you have any interest in these matters and DON'T follow through to read the whole essay!
You will not find a much better capturing of the traditional activist left critique of conspiracy thinking!
New World Order or Business as Usual? -- An Open Letter to Supporters of Infowars and Alex Jones
Many of you have visited the Films For Action website and asked us why we have not posted any Alex Jones documentaries or included Infowars, Prision Planet, Natural News or other like-minded sites on our list of recommended independent media.
Unfortunately, we feel it would be irresponsible to promote Alex Jones, his websites, or any of his films. His films were always overly sensational and hyperbolic, but over the years the assertions he makes in his films and on his radio show have gotten increasingly outlandish and unsubstantiated. There are nuggets of truth and important perspectives hidden in the films, but they are buried under so many wild claims, tabloid style rhetoric, fear-mongering, and misleading conclusions that sifting the valid points from the misinformation would take more time than most folks have the patience for. See this, this, this, this, and this, for a handful of examples.
Most skeptical people will have written off his ideas (and anything associated with it, including, likely, this site) long before the film finishes.
We believe the goal of the alternative media is to eventually become the mainstream media - a media for and by the people, rather than a media for and by corporate interests. The alternative media that we imagine is one that has the potential to be welcomed into the homes of virtually everyone. We want to demonstrate the best of what the alternative media is and could be.
This means presenting information in a credible fashion, and not promoting misinformation or misleading meta-narratives about our world. It means following diligently the ethical principles and standards of the best journalists.
Infowars appeals to a certain niche conspiracy audience, but beyond this niche, it is not of much use for reaching people 'beyond the choir' - in fact the presentation and substance of Infowars is quite alienating and off-putting to most people. Right now on Infowars minded sites and Facebook pages, they are focusing their attention on occult messages being placed in the movies The Dark Knight Rises and The Hunger Games that allude to the latest two gun massacres being pre-planned events staged by the New World Order. Stuff like this has become conspiracy porn for a growing audience, which we find quite troubling, as focusing on these types of dead ends keep people distracted from doing anything that could effectively end the systems of power these websites claim to decry.
We must regretfully conclude that Alex Jones does more harm to the movement than good. Having become familiar with Alex Jones and Infowars-type sites over the last 7 years, watching most of his films and studying the claims he has made, it is not a decision we have made unfairly, or without thorough research.
Considering that every single good point that he makes is being said by someone else, there is simply no reason to include his films on our site. He simply lacks credibility, for good reason, and when your trade is the dissemination of information, credibility is all you've got. We know Alex Jones has quite a strong base of followers, and if you are a fan of him, we would like to ask, what is more important: promoting Alex Jones and Infowars-packaged information, or achieving the goals that (despite the outlandish rhetoric) we basically share in common?
We believe the majority of Infowars activists are people who sincerely want to create a better world, and would like to direct their energies and precious time towards efforts that can make a real difference. And like other movements for justice and sustainability, we both aspire to end the structural systems of power and hierarchy in the world so that we can create a world that is just, sustainable and genuinely democratic.
Towards this goal, we encourage you to add several diverse types of information sources to your news diet. A diet solely made of Infowars and Natural News type sites - or any source of a single overall viewpoint - we believe is just as unhealthy for the mind as a diet of pure corporate media. Despite the many grains of truth and good points made by sites like Infowars, they cater to the same tactics employed by the mainstream media - cultivating a climate of fear and division. Instead of a flu-outbreak or terrorism alert, it is fear about the next false flag attack, or the next plot to steal our guns, or the next step in the all-powerful, all-controlling plot to build a totalitarian one world order.
I have received letters from people who digest Infowars regularly and they write to us afraid of nuclear attacks on Dec 21, 2012 by the NWO. They have become gripped by fear and paranoia, and it frankly angers me to see these sites psychologically damaging people - people who simply have a sincere desire to know what's going on in the world. These people I have spoken with have become debilitated by fear. They have not become more empowered. Just the opposite. They have adopted a victim-mentality which may keep them sharing posts and reading about this stuff, but in their real-lives, in terms of what they actually do, things go on exactly as before.
Beyond, perhaps, buying more guns and storing up survivalist gear, how many Infowars supporters make an effort to directly improve their lives or the lives of their community? (This is a cliche, admittedly, but one that the advertisements on Infowars clearly promotes).
When you look at the attention that Alex Jones spends on superfluous information over a long-enough time span, the measurable effect of Alex Jones' activism is a pacifying force. Yes, thousands of his followers share his films and articles. Several have created Facebook pages or alternate websites to spread Infowars ideas. Activist offshoots like We Are Change have held protests and have confronted the elites with questions on film. But after over 10 years of "exposing" the NWO, how exactly have the core systems of power changed at all? Most importantly to you, how have these efforts changed your life? How has the quality of your job improved? Is your life more stressful or more joyful? Do you look forward to Monday morning or do you dread it? These are all important, practical questions to ask when our goal is to actually create a better world for ourselves and future generations.
Unfortunately, we feel it would be irresponsible to promote Alex Jones, his websites, or any of his films. His films were always overly sensational and hyperbolic, but over the years the assertions he makes in his films and on his radio show have gotten increasingly outlandish and unsubstantiated. There are nuggets of truth and important perspectives hidden in the films, but they are buried under so many wild claims, tabloid style rhetoric, fear-mongering, and misleading conclusions that sifting the valid points from the misinformation would take more time than most folks have the patience for. See this, this, this, this, and this, for a handful of examples.
Most skeptical people will have written off his ideas (and anything associated with it, including, likely, this site) long before the film finishes.
We believe the goal of the alternative media is to eventually become the mainstream media - a media for and by the people, rather than a media for and by corporate interests. The alternative media that we imagine is one that has the potential to be welcomed into the homes of virtually everyone. We want to demonstrate the best of what the alternative media is and could be.
This means presenting information in a credible fashion, and not promoting misinformation or misleading meta-narratives about our world. It means following diligently the ethical principles and standards of the best journalists.
Infowars appeals to a certain niche conspiracy audience, but beyond this niche, it is not of much use for reaching people 'beyond the choir' - in fact the presentation and substance of Infowars is quite alienating and off-putting to most people. Right now on Infowars minded sites and Facebook pages, they are focusing their attention on occult messages being placed in the movies The Dark Knight Rises and The Hunger Games that allude to the latest two gun massacres being pre-planned events staged by the New World Order. Stuff like this has become conspiracy porn for a growing audience, which we find quite troubling, as focusing on these types of dead ends keep people distracted from doing anything that could effectively end the systems of power these websites claim to decry.
We must regretfully conclude that Alex Jones does more harm to the movement than good. Having become familiar with Alex Jones and Infowars-type sites over the last 7 years, watching most of his films and studying the claims he has made, it is not a decision we have made unfairly, or without thorough research.
Considering that every single good point that he makes is being said by someone else, there is simply no reason to include his films on our site. He simply lacks credibility, for good reason, and when your trade is the dissemination of information, credibility is all you've got. We know Alex Jones has quite a strong base of followers, and if you are a fan of him, we would like to ask, what is more important: promoting Alex Jones and Infowars-packaged information, or achieving the goals that (despite the outlandish rhetoric) we basically share in common?
We believe the majority of Infowars activists are people who sincerely want to create a better world, and would like to direct their energies and precious time towards efforts that can make a real difference. And like other movements for justice and sustainability, we both aspire to end the structural systems of power and hierarchy in the world so that we can create a world that is just, sustainable and genuinely democratic.
Towards this goal, we encourage you to add several diverse types of information sources to your news diet. A diet solely made of Infowars and Natural News type sites - or any source of a single overall viewpoint - we believe is just as unhealthy for the mind as a diet of pure corporate media. Despite the many grains of truth and good points made by sites like Infowars, they cater to the same tactics employed by the mainstream media - cultivating a climate of fear and division. Instead of a flu-outbreak or terrorism alert, it is fear about the next false flag attack, or the next plot to steal our guns, or the next step in the all-powerful, all-controlling plot to build a totalitarian one world order.
I have received letters from people who digest Infowars regularly and they write to us afraid of nuclear attacks on Dec 21, 2012 by the NWO. They have become gripped by fear and paranoia, and it frankly angers me to see these sites psychologically damaging people - people who simply have a sincere desire to know what's going on in the world. These people I have spoken with have become debilitated by fear. They have not become more empowered. Just the opposite. They have adopted a victim-mentality which may keep them sharing posts and reading about this stuff, but in their real-lives, in terms of what they actually do, things go on exactly as before.
Beyond, perhaps, buying more guns and storing up survivalist gear, how many Infowars supporters make an effort to directly improve their lives or the lives of their community? (This is a cliche, admittedly, but one that the advertisements on Infowars clearly promotes).
When you look at the attention that Alex Jones spends on superfluous information over a long-enough time span, the measurable effect of Alex Jones' activism is a pacifying force. Yes, thousands of his followers share his films and articles. Several have created Facebook pages or alternate websites to spread Infowars ideas. Activist offshoots like We Are Change have held protests and have confronted the elites with questions on film. But after over 10 years of "exposing" the NWO, how exactly have the core systems of power changed at all? Most importantly to you, how have these efforts changed your life? How has the quality of your job improved? Is your life more stressful or more joyful? Do you look forward to Monday morning or do you dread it? These are all important, practical questions to ask when our goal is to actually create a better world for ourselves and future generations.
The rest goes into some amazing detail - you are seriously hurting yourself if you have any interest in these matters and DON'T follow through to read the whole essay!
praktik
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Sandy Hook dead-ender has his day in court - arguing that there was a "fake" photo on the day proving the criminal conspiracy to kill over 20 kids in a hoax to, steal our guns - and umm, distract the population and stuff....
CASE DISMISSED
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/connecticut/ctdce/3:2014cv01881/106786/8
Which will probably just be more fodder for these, perhaps the saddest and lowest form of conspiracy theorist in modern times. Not too much worse than a Sandy Hook dead-ender manipulating this tragedy for their own fantasies...
CASE DISMISSED
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/connecticut/ctdce/3:2014cv01881/106786/8
Which will probably just be more fodder for these, perhaps the saddest and lowest form of conspiracy theorist in modern times. Not too much worse than a Sandy Hook dead-ender manipulating this tragedy for their own fantasies...
A new study suggests this year’s flu vaccine has offered little or no protection in Canada against becoming sick enough to require medical care.
That’s even less protection than was seen in a study done in the United States that was released earlier this month.
The U.S. study suggested that the vaccine lowered a recipient’s risk of contracting the flu and getting sick enough to need medical care by 23 per cent.
That’s well below the 50 to 70 per cent effectiveness estimate that is often given for flu vaccine.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news...p-ineffectiveness-of-this-years-flu-shot.html
That’s even less protection than was seen in a study done in the United States that was released earlier this month.
The U.S. study suggested that the vaccine lowered a recipient’s risk of contracting the flu and getting sick enough to need medical care by 23 per cent.
That’s well below the 50 to 70 per cent effectiveness estimate that is often given for flu vaccine.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news...p-ineffectiveness-of-this-years-flu-shot.html