Originally posted by vveerrgg
where's all the trippy analogue blippy head fuck, synthesizer programming (not stabby filtered chords: chung chung che che chung chung) MIDI. Now its all, lets see how many layers of samples, patterns and house tracks we can lay into a track and call it MIDI, and the younger crowd eats it up and calls it MIDI, and it was all sold by Computers, or on their roster of Software, " Computer like circuit party record evil". And now trance has found its way into the genre, rolly polly chi chi chi chi chi chi chi hi hats... There's lots to blame, but I hold Computers mostly responsible for selling that shit. It literally makes me tearful to surf through dexrecords and satellite and listen to the MIDI. its been infected with complete and utter shit. Don't rag on my opinion because its only that but what do you guys about the state of techno music, not scene, clubs or dj's, but the MIDI music that is being produced today. Is it really MIDI? how do you define MIDI music?
Originally posted by vveerrgg
a computer has do-dads and keyboards and mice and monitors etc...
not a good example... but thats a computer.
I deal with none of that.....
QY700 without you I would have no friends to talk to my sampler.
Dude I am a nob lots of times for sure. But I am seriously stating a fact that needs to be acknowledged. You are arguing on the basis that computers suck, yet by the same time you post a sequencer picture of what you use, that is, infact, a computer. Ok sure it's not a Dell or Sony but all that means is it is an interface issue. The issue of subtle expressions and stuff does not change with hardware or a computer if you have a good interface. Now with that being said and also to support where it is I think you are coming from, I do agree that these programs that you make a beat by hitting a preset is what creates generic music. The simple reason why is because it is to easy to go in and grab a cookie cutter approach to producing, to sound like the "said" artist of the day. Bringing this full circle it comes back to the same relative problems that are the down fall of any art form. Lack of Vision, Meaning, passion, fundamentals, commitment, appreciation, etc.Originally posted by vveerrgg
1) Shamus. you're a nob sometimes.
If the interface for making music doesn't allow you to fully express yourself and adiquately explore the medium... you're being limited.
With the advent of Fruity Loops etc... it took the broad possible ways of making music and narrowed it down to loop based formats. Not new to techno.
But, it also took away the opporunity to be tactile with your music and explore in un-conventional ways. The result.
PRIME type music.......
I'm sure Shamus, you can rock on any hardware/software etc..... fine. You might be able to work in your head and not make repetitive & boring music. Congradulations.... here's a record contract.
2) Arther you said it right!
Mind you the question should be "Did the computer and programs like Fruity Loops kill techno?"
It's all about using the Technology that lets you express yourself to the limits of your understanding...... Computer or Midi.
But I still think that all the stuff Prime put out were like a million Fruity Loop sessions sampled from other ppls work.
I'm not too sad to see it ending.
Originally posted by Humanjava
Wolf Blass is not good wine I am sorry to tell you that. That swill is pure blahhhhh.
You would do a fair amount better witha Beringer or better yet a Cheateau La Clos De La Tour.