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Che Guevara anyone?

mondo

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How do you feel about the him?

Do you think if he were alive today, he could make a difference?

Can there be another?
 

OTIS

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I think he felt extremely displaced after the revolution, I mean Castro made him head of the friggin banking & commerce of Cuba for god sakes.. but in the end, I think ideology clouded his judgement and ultimately lead to his demse. Big respect for the movement that he still influences a spark in nowadays.
 

AdRiaN

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I wonder what Che would think about his image benig used to flog everything from t-shirts to lip balm?
 

OTIS

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Originally posted by AdRiaN
I wonder what Che would think about his image benig used to flog everything from t-shirts to lip balm?
I think that everytime I pass one of those shirt kiosks in the malls. The ironing.
 

kodos

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...and I was just thinking, he makes good shirts. Isn't he some famous revolutionary fashion designer?
 
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derek

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^^^

i think it was rage against the machine.

lol those shirts were tacky in the '80s when people wearin them didn't know who he was, and they are tacky now when people wearing them don't know who he was.

i have a pack of rolling papers with his picture on them for jokes. i only use them on special occasions (like saturday).

peace,

derek
 
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OTIS

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Originally posted by Ditto Much
Fidel more or less kicked him out, twice,
and he is a hero.



I love cuba
No he didn't it was for political reasons that Fidel separated himself from Che. Che desired to spark revolutions in other countries, but Fidel felt his dedication was to cuban nationalism. So when they parted ways, Fidel made sure Che wrote a letter that distanced himself from the administration of Cuba so that in case he got entangled in high profile political conflicts eslewhere, Fidel could read the statement and not be entitled to come to his rescue, or Cuba not be seen as an National accomplice in the conflict. Which is what happened when he was rumored to be stirring revolution in Bolivia. You make it sound as if Che was rejected and hated by Castro which is totally not the case.
 
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rejenerate

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Could someone explain to me the "legend" of Che Guavara? I've read a bit about him but I don't understand exactly what he represents to people and why he's so popular on t-shirts.
 

Ditto Much

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Originally posted by OTIS
No he didn't it was for political reasons that Fidel separated himself from Che. Che desired to spark revolutions in other countries, but Fidel felt his dedication was to cuban nationalism. So when they parted ways, Fidel made sure Che wrote a letter that distanced himself from the administration of Cuba so that in case he got entangled in high profile political conflicts eslewhere, Fidel could read the statement and not be entitled to come to his rescue, or Cuba not be seen as an National accomplice in the conflict. Which is what happened when he was rumored to be stirring revolution in Bolivia. You make it sound as if Che was rejected and hated by Castro which is totally not the case.
Che was Fidels right or left hand man depending on who you talk to. His revolution in Bolivia suffered from a lack of planning a lack of maps and a lack of strategic inteligance. However instead of hanging him the Bolivians did a fairly detailed funeral.

Thus the legend,

However I think there are some questionable things attributed to him in the list.
 

Eccentric (LRG)

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I <3 Cher...

oh wait.. you said che ?!!
Yea he's cool to. ;)

Actually I've read alot on the man.
I seriously think he's awesome. Too Bad, he's no longer around.
But he left a lasting impression, and has become a super icon for revolution/revolutionist.

Regenerate, He' was a socialist doctor who travelled around helping lepers and such. He met up with fidel and other communists. Joined their "party" ...turned Gurillia.... was eventually caught and killed.
Good man though.

oh and for useless info sake, he had bad asthema ;)
 

JEMZ

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Well I just returned home from Cuba and had many questions about Che that I needed answered. This is what I learned:

His name is Ernesto and he is actually Argentinian not Cuban (trivial but I still did not know these facts).

Che is massive, and I mean massive in Cuba. You guys joke about the Tshirts and all that crap back here... but in Cuba his face is everywhere. He is the face of the ideal Socialist in Cuba.

He is so revered because he is so unwaivering. "Che" meaning "that", actually comes from the people saying "there's that Guevara again" it is a term of endearment from the Cubans.

Lemme go off a bit because this has weighed very heavy on me since my return. Jen and I did a lot of travelling and meeting/conversation with the locals. Cubans are the most educated people I have ever spoke with. The country has a literacy rate of 100% and a suicide rate of 0%

Cubans have very little and what they do have they share equally and they are dedicated to Socialism. Cuba does not practice Stalinism, information is not repressed as much as one would think, but I truly belive after speaking with many Cubans that Cuba would die under Capiltalism... and the spirit of the people would be destroyed.

My father in law commented that Cuba is like a time warp. It is like 1959 has stood still in time there. Almost all technology pre- dates that revolution... but more importantly the attitude pre-dates 1959 also. Cubans are kind and patient. They are polite and laugh, they believe in religion and the family unit. They believe in education and community. They put safety first and they love baseball. They drive '57 Chevy's and they love strings and horns with their music.

In my wedding thread, I stated that I am humbled by my pre-desposed notions of Cubans, Cuba and their brand of Socialism. After visiting with these people I admire them so whole heartedly and feel that they without question still believe in the Revolution as victory and Che as their leader. I am sad that USA consistently tried to undermine the government of Cuba, just now there are now tighter embargos in Cuba and they cannot buy a bar of soap on the entire island... they survive though.

To make a long story long.... Che is the face of the political system Cubans adore. When I got off the plane I was greeted with a billboard that read "Socialismo o meurte", and they believe it. See it for yourself... they is no happier nation in the world than Cuba.
 
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Puma

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Originally posted by JEMZ
Well I just returned home from Cuba and had many questions about Che that I needed answered. This is what I learned:

His name is Ernesto and he is actually Argentinian not Cuban (trivial but I still did not know these facts).

Che is massive, and I mean massive in Cuba. You guys joke about the Tshirts and all that crap back here... but in Cuba his face is everywhere. He is the face of the ideal Socialist in Cuba.

He is so revered because he is so unwaivering. "Che" meaning "that", actually comes from the people saying "there's that Guevara again" it is a term of endearment from the Cubans.

Lemme go off a bit because this has weighed very heavy on me since my return. Jen and I did a lot of travelling and meeting/conversation with the locals. Cubans are the most educated people I have ever spoke with. The country has a literacy rate of 100% and a suicide rate of 0%

Cubans have very little and what they do have they share equally and they are dedicated to Socialism. Cuba does not practice Stalinism, information is not repressed as much as one would think, but I truly belive after speaking with many Cubans that Cuba would die under Capiltalism... and the spirit of the people would be destroyed.

My father in law commented that Cuba is like a time warp. It is like 1959 has stood still in time there. Almost all technology pre- dates that revolution... but more importantly the attitude pre-dates 1959 also. Cubans are kind and patient. They are polite and laugh, they believe in religion and the family unit. They believe in education and community. They put safety first and they love baseball. They drive '57 Chevy's and they love strings and horns with their music.

In my wedding thread, I stated that I am humbled by my pre-desposed notions of Cubans, Cuba and their brand of Socialism. After visiting with these people I admire them so whole heartedly and feel that they without question still believe in the Revolution as victory and Che as their leader. I am sad that USA consistently tried to undermine the government of Cuba, just now there are now tighter embargos in Cuba and they cannot buy a bar of soap on the entire island... they survive though.

To make a long story long.... Che is the face of the political system Cubans adore. When I got off the plane I was greeted with a billboard that read "Socialismo o meurte", and they believe it. See it for yourself... they is no happier nation in the world than Cuba.
Thats exactly how I feel about it.

They own nothing and they have nothing yet they are a lot happier then anywhere else I'v ben.

enjoy it while uncle Fidel is alive couse after that it's gona be MCDonalds and Burger king on every corner..
 

why not

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Originally posted by Puma
Thats exactly how I feel about it.

They own nothing and they have nothing yet they are a lot happier then anywhere else I'v ben.

enjoy it while uncle Fidel is alive couse after that it's gona be MCDonalds and Burger king on every corner..
when fidel dies, i think south america will make him into something like a saint - i wouldn't be surprised if his influence actually spreads afterwards.
 

rejenerate

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Originally posted by Eccentric (LRG)
Regenerate, He' was a socialist doctor who travelled around helping lepers and such. He met up with fidel and other communists. Joined their "party" ...turned Gurillia.... was eventually caught and killed.
Good man though.

I knew that much, because I read up on him...but I don't understand how/why he has an impact on North Americans...how that got started.
 

Boss Hog

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Regarding JEMZ comments.

I agree with you for the most, but I wonder how far under the surface of Cuban culture you got to peek. Although most people wouldn't dare speak out against Castro or the socialist regime, if you get them drunk and alone and talking, many will confess to you they are not necessarily Castro fans.

One person in particular that I spoke to, he couldn't say enough good things about Che. He said the sound of the name made the hair on his arms stand up with goosebumps. He got very emotional talking about him. But talking about Castro, his voice changed to a tone of subtle resentment.

Two other people I met, young adults, I had given a suitcase of clothing to. The first thing they did was check the labels. They want designer clothing. They want Coca Cola, McDonald's and Beverly Hills, these young people. Images of wealthy America come across on the TV to them and that's what they covet. They covet hip hop and bling bling. But they have to be careful about their envies.

So although on the surface they may appear to be the most undying happy nation in the world, I think there's a lot going on under the surface that would be called into question if the skin was peeled back. As much as Cubans love their '57 cars, you will notice many of them are patched together with parts that dont' even fit properly, from another model. Would they like newer cars and more money? A lot of them would.

They are not as "free" as you think. They cannot access the internet, and their emails are closely monitored for dissent. People's educations are paid for by the State, and my friend and his wife were licensed commercial pilots. But he was working in a restaurant because there were no pilot jobs to be had.

I think Cubans are happy because they know the value of family, and they know the value of things outside of monetary value, but I don't think it's entirely accurate to paint them as a people who represent some humble utopian society. They're not allowed to say anything or appear too unhappy with the way things are or they get in a lot of trouble, and this is the facade that is pointed out at the world.
 
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