Casual Fridays

[OutcastTO]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
Jeans and runners = not professional in my books.

how about thong and cowboy boots?

 

[Flashy_McFlash]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
Jeans and runners = not professional in my books.

What about vintage Jordans and a sock over the region? I mean, if I dress it up with a tie.

 

[OutcastTO]

^^ haha nice edit (beat ya to it!)

 

[Flashy_McFlash]

Originally posted by OutcastTO
^^ haha nice edit (beat ya to it!)

Well at least I specified man-thong, homo!

 

[Agent Smith]

Originally posted by LivingRoomPornstar
I'm sincerely interested to know why.

Unless you are in a position where nobody would see you throughout the day, then I agree... it doesn't matter how you look.

If you are interacting with people in a "professional" setting, however, even if they are internal to your own company, taking personal pride in your appearance and dressing in a tidy manner with "professional" clothes (which do not include jeans or runners in my opinion) makes a powerful statement. It improves credibility.

Ideally, people would be judged based on the quality of the output of their work alone. Unfortunately, this is not the reality.

 

[NemIsis]

Originally posted by OutcastTO
how about thong and cowboy boots?

Sounds good!

Anyway, Agent Smith.. Curious..
I have friends who are social workers, teachers, doctors.. and many of them wear jeans. Are they not professionals?

My GP wears jeans and runners. It was one of the reasons why I stuck with him after a year of changing doctors. He seemed much more approachable..

And then I have friends who work in the business world..in communication, correspondance ets, and don't see a client/rarely have a meeting and must wear a suit. Why?

I don't think this will cause the downfall of society as we know it ..

 

[Agent Smith]

Originally posted by NemIsis
Sounds good!

Anyway, Agent Smith.. Curious..
I have friends who are social workers, teachers, doctors.. and many od them wear jeans. Are they not professionals?

My GP wears jeans and runners. It was one of the reasons why I stuck with him after a year of changing doctors. He seemed much more approachable..

And then I have friends who work in the business world..in communication, correspondance ets, and don't see a client/rarely have a meeting and must wear a suit. Why?

I don't think this will cause the downfall of society as we know it ..

I'm not saying that people who wear jeans or runners make them any worse at their job. I do believe, however, that if they are in professional positions like the ones you mentioned (teachers, doctors, lawyers etc., social workers), I think their overall credibility is improved.

Edit: most quality private schools and corporate workplaces implement dress codes for their employees for this exact reason.

 

[NemIsis]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
Unless you are in a position where nobody would see you throughout the day, then I agree... it doesn't matter how you look.

If you are interacting with people in a "professional" setting, however, even if they are internal to your own company, taking personal pride in your appearance and dressing in a tidy manner with "professional" clothes (which do not include jeans or runners in my opinion) makes a powerful statement. It improves credibility.

Ideally, people would be judged based on the quality of the output of their work alone. Unfortunately, this is not the reality.

Sorry, you beat me to it..
I agree with you on a number of points.. But, not all 'professionals' have to wear the 'suit'. If you are in the business world it is a little different

 

[Krzysiu]

I like to think the image you present represents the quality of your work... "if you take time on your appearance, you take time on your job" frame of thinking. pants are always a good step in the right direction!


that being said, I've always been surrounded by middle aged women who are painfully obviously on the weight watchers fruit salad as a snack program wearing ugly sundress with cardigans and flipflops... I guess it means I don't have "career ambition"?

 

[LivingRoomPornstar]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
Unless you are in a position where nobody would see you throughout the day, then I agree... it doesn't matter how you look.

If you are interacting with people in a "professional" setting, however, even if they are internal to your own company, taking personal pride in your appearance and dressing in a tidy manner with "professional" clothes (which do not include jeans or runners in my opinion) makes a powerful statement. It improves credibility.

Ideally, people would be judged based on the quality of the output of their work alone. Unfortunately, this is not the reality.

I think we're in agreement there.

In certain industries it makes more sense to me that there be a more casual atmosphere. If I went to building where EA Sports game software was being developed, I think it'd make more sense if they were in sporty clothing.

 

[Agent Smith]

Originally posted by LivingRoomPornstar
I think we're in agreement there.

In certain industries it makes more sense to me that there be a more casual atmosphere. If I went to building where EA Sports game software was being developed, I think it'd make more sense if they were in sporty clothing.

I completely agree.

Although it was interesting to note the ups and downs in the dress codes of the high tech industry over the last 15 years. When things were booming in the 90s and the labour market was tight, many firms became really relaxed on their dress codes, allowing shorts and flip flops in many cases. As the bubble burst, however, the industry shifted to present a more professional image for itself. This included more stringent dress codes.

 

[NemIsis]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
I'm not saying that people who wear jeans or runners make them any worse at their job. I do believe, however, that if they are in professional positions like the ones you mentioned (teachers, doctors, lawyers etc., social workers), I think their overall credibility is improved.

Edit: most quality private schools and corporate workplaces implement dress codes for their employees for this exact reason.

I went to a quality private school. The teachers were dicks..lol.. Well, all except for our illustrious art teacher, who wore jeans..

Most social workers and teachers find that kids find them more approachable if they are not 'dresses to the T'..

Doctors and community nurses also find that people aren't so scared of them and feel more comfortable asking questions..

Lawyers..should wear 'suits'. I agree..

 

[Agent Smith]

Originally posted by NemIsis
I went to a quality private school. The teachers were dicks..lol.. Well, all except for our illustrious art teacher, who wore jeans..

Most social workers and teachers find that kids find them more approachable if they are not 'dresses to the T'..

Doctors and community nurses also find that people aren't so scared of them and feel more comfortable asking questions..

Lawyers..should wear 'suits'. I agree..

I think there are numerous dress possibilities along the spectrum between suits and jeans and runners.

Someone can easily sport khakis, a polo and leather shoes and still remain very approachable.

 

[OutcastTO]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
I completely agree.

Although it was interesting to note the ups and downs in the dress codes of the high tech industry over the last 15 years. When things were booming in the 90s and the labour market was tight, many firms became really relaxed on their dress codes, allowing shorts and flip flops in many cases. As the bubble burst, however, the industry shifted to present a more professional image for itself. This included more stringent dress codes.

Yup...however the worm is turning again...at least where i work. I worked at a start-up and Nortel during the tech boom and it was flip flop heaven....then for 3-4 yrs things tightened..and now that tech stocks are becoming more healthy, the dress code is laxing again and I for one am appreciative of this. I face clients rarely and when I do I dress appropriately.

 

[Agent Smith]

Originally posted by OutcastTO
Yup...however the worm is turning again...at least where i work. I worked at a start-up and Nortel during the tech boom and it was flip flop heaven....then for 3-4 yrs things tightened..and now that tech stocks are becoming more healthy, the dress code is laxing again and I for one am appreciative of this. I face clients rarely and when I do I dress appropriately.

Do you wear runners to work every day?

 

[LivingRoomPornstar]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
I completely agree.

Although it was interesting to note the ups and downs in the dress codes of the high tech industry over the last 15 years. When things were booming in the 90s and the labour market was tight, many firms became really relaxed on their dress codes, allowing shorts and flip flops in many cases. As the bubble burst, however, the industry shifted to present a more professional image for itself. This included more stringent dress codes.

TD professes to have the "comfort" approach to retail banking, and for 2 or 3 years we switched to business casual. I never wore anything more casual than just losing the tie, though. Now we're back to business professional, with the exception of fridays and saturdays. I usually still wear a tie if i have a number of meetings, as the majority of my book are demanding, high networth clients.

 

[Sunshyne Jones]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
Jeans and runners = not professional in my books.

depending on your job and the circumstances, you can look professional in great jeans and runners. or you can look like a slob. depends on the jeans and the runners imo.

 

[OutcastTO]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
Do you wear runners to work every day?

I do on fridays and maybe one other time during the week. But I mix it up. Somedays dressy, somedays pretty casual.

 

[Chris]

I look at dressing for work, like putting on my uniform I guess. Monday through Thursday its a suit, Friday is much more relaxed, as with most people depends if I have a meeting or not. In an emergency, I usually have a blazer on the back of my office door just in case.

 

[kate]

Every day is casual Fridays at my work-thank god! I have a resolution that if I can't wear jeans to where I work then I'm not working at the right place.

Obviously creative careers seem to have more leeway for dress style, which works for me. I don't work any harder or more professionally when I'm wearing a pair of black pants and pumps versus jeans-in fact I hate wearing office clothes b/c i feel like they don't really give you any way to express your personal style!

Today I'm wearing skinny leg black pants, ballet flats, a black and white striped sweater, and i consider this pretty dressed up. Hell, my boss came in in track pants after physio one day so I figure anything goes!

 

[NemIsis]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
I think there are numerous dress possibilities along the spectrum between suits and jeans and runners.

Someone can easily sport khakis, a polo and leather shoes and still remain very approachable.

Well, I'm a woman..so khakis, a polo and leather shoes would just get me laughed at!

I understand where you're coming from, but I think there is more gray area here.

Wish I could be more specific, but if I wore the type of clothing you are suggesting I would lose all credibility. It wouldn't suit me or the type of person I am. Plus, I would not be where I am, enjoying an incredible career and engendering much respect, if I did. May sound paradoxical, but it is what it is..

So, we agree to disagree.. But, I do agree with many of your points..

And yes, Sunshyne.. I do dress in fabulous jeans and runners!!

 

[Agent Smith]

Originally posted by NemIsis
Well, I'm a woman..so khakis, a polo and leather shoes would just get me laughed at!

I understand where you're coming from, but I think there is more gray area here.

Wish I could be more specific, but if I wore the type of clothing you are suggesting I would lose all credibility. It wouldn't suit me or the type of person I am. Plus, I would not be where I am, enjoying an incredible career and engendering much respect, if I did. May sound paradoxical, but it is what it is..

So, we agree to disagree.. But, I do agree with many of your points..

And yes, Sunshyne.. I do dress in fabulous jeans and runners!!

Cool. I get your point. You're awesome.

Edit: You're telling me that you would lose respect if you wore more dressy shoes than runners? Do you work for Nike or something? Sounds like a retarded explanation to me.

 

[LivingRoomPornstar]

Originally posted by NemIsis
Well, I'm a woman..so khakis, a polo and leather shoes would just get me laughed at!

I understand where you're coming from, but I think there is more gray area here.

Wish I could be more specific, but if I wore the type of clothing you are suggesting I would lose all credibility. It wouldn't suit me or the type of person I am. Plus, I would not be where I am, enjoying an incredible career and engendering much respect, if I did. May sound paradoxical, but it is what it is..

So, we agree to disagree.. But, I do agree with many of your points..

And yes, Sunshyne.. I do dress in fabulous jeans and runners!!

what do you do again?

 

[NemIsis]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
Cool. I get your point. You're awesome.

Edit: You're telling me that you would lose respect if you wore more dressy shoes than runners? Do you work for Nike or something? Sounds like a retarded explanation to me.

Naw.. LOL! I could wear something more dressy, but would so kill my feet! I'm constantly 'running' around haha.. I have flat feet and most shoes are painful. I wear runners, albeit nice ones, to clubs.. Did wear my knee length black boots once, and was in agony by the end of the night..

Nice try LivingRoom Pornstar

 

[Lovely N Amazin]

do you work for csis or something? and i too don't get it ... there are plenty of very dressy flat shoes.