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Canadian NDP party Sucks and or Rules

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by Bernnie Federko, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    New Politics?
  2. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

    well yeah. I didn't start a thread where it sucks or rules. Probably sucks more than rules.
  3. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

    If I want to be frank here. I think this guy should get a shot of it. But it looks extreme right in his own playground.

    Why is everyone so extreme.
  4. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    Ontario NDP platform proposes big spending on health care, social services
    Polls have put the NDP firmly behind their rivals heading into June 7 election

    Lucas Powers · CBC News · Posted: Apr 16, 2018 1:34 PM ET | Last Updated: April 16

    An NDP government would provide free licensed daycare for families earning less than $40,000 per year while most other families would pay about $12 per day for child care, the party said in its election platform unveiled on Monday.

    The pledge is one element of a wide-ranging platform that also includes significant new spending on health care and social services. The NDP plans to pay for its plans by running deficits, while also increasing the corporate tax rate from 11.5 per cent to 13 per cent, raising taxes on high-wage earners and introducing a new three per cent surcharge on luxury cars that cost more than $90,000.

    Several key pillars of the platform challenge similar commitments made by Premier Kathleen Wynne's government in the 2018 provincial budget, which will form the backbone of the Liberals' own platform.

    The NDP is releasing the plan, "Change for the Better," as it aims to attract voters disillusioned with the Liberals but wary of the free-wheeling style of Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford.

    "For too long, the people of Ontario have been forced to settle for less than what we know is possible," NDP Leader Andrea Horwath said in a speech to supporters at Toronto Western Hospital.

    "We've been told to switch back and forth, from the Liberals to the Conservatives and back again. As though the only choice is between bad and worse. And look where it's gotten us."

    The NDP's child care plan comes against a backdrop of sky-high prices for daycare in the province, particularly in the Greater Toronto Area. Fully licensed, not-for-profit daycare would be free for families earning less than $40,000 annually. The party says an average family would pay $12, however it could not specify the approximate earnings of a family that would pay that rate.

    Costs for individual families would be determined on a means-tested, sliding scale and the plan will be phased in over five years.

    The plan also includes a promise to create some 202,000 new child care spaces in Ontario, a nearly 51 per cent increase from what's currently available. According to the NDP, its child care strategy will cost $375 million in the first year alone, before jumping to more than a $1 billion the following year.

    By 2023, the price tag rises to more than $3 billion annually.

    The Liberals have said they will make full-day daycare free for children aged 2-and-a-half until they are eligible for kindergarten, as part of a $2.2 billion investment.

    "Our plan is not based on your little one's age. It's based on making sure everyone has childcare they can afford," said Horwath.

    Party focusing on health issues
    The NDP also wants to substantially expand drug and dental coverage, issues that featured prominently in the Liberal budget. Horwath previously outlined the two-part plan in March. It includes full dental coverage for all workers, including part-time and contract employment, as well as coverage for low-income children and retired seniors living without a pension.

    Similarly, the NDP is proposing to build 70 new public dental clinics and to put seven new dental care mobile buses on the road.

    The $475-million universal pharmacare plan will initially cover 125 of the most commonly prescribed drugs for everyone in the province, regardless of employment status or income. It will also cover many take-home cancer medicines and drug treatments often used by those transitioning to another gender.

    Among the most significant spending commitments in the NDP platform is a 5.3 per cent increase in yearly hospital funding at an initial cost of $916 million. Funding will then increase to match inflation each year.

    In all, the NDP says it would commit some $19 billion in funding for hospitals over a 10-year period, as well as create 2,000 new hospital beds.

    Party would run multi-billion dollar deficits
    In a speech to supporters, Horwath reiterated her promise to cut hydro bills by 30 per cent and return Hydro One to public ownership. While independent analysts have said buying back the electrical utility would cost the province billions, the NDP says it can avoid passing any costs onto taxpayers by using dividends for the purchase.

    Other key commitments in the platform include:

    • Conversion of all student debt into grants.
    • 15,000 new long-term care beds by 2023.
    • A new ministry of mental health and addictions.
    • 65,000 new affordable housing units.
    • Increases to rates paid by Ontario Works and Ontario Disability Support Program.
    • 15 per cent reduction to auto insurance rates.
    The party projects five consecutive deficits to pay for its plan, with a $3.3 billion deficit in 2018-2019 and a $1.9 billion deficit in 2022-2023.

    The platform was analyzed by former federal parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page, who says its costing of individual measures is "reasonable."

    To help pay for its promises, an NDP government would raise personal income tax on those earning over $220,000 by one per cent. Anyone making over $300,000 annually would see a two percent increase in personal income tax.

    The NDP is similarly proposing an annual "Housing Speculation Tax" targeted at foreign and domestic real estate speculators who don't pay any other taxes in Ontario.

  5. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

    ^ This Globe editorial is more accurate on some of the points: Globe editorial: The Ontario NDP goes all in with its election platform

    For example, the proposed personal income tax hike of 1% on earnings over $220k and 2% on earnings over $300k is described in the CBC article as "back to dollar one" hikes, which is obviously very different.

    While I like some parts of the NDP platform, it is a bit too left for my liking and the proposed deficits are too high. I think this platform may end up being helpful to the Ontario Liberals as it may be too left for those in the middle and for those who could not stomach voting for Doug Ford.
  6. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    None of these party platforms are any good at widening the tax base, IMHO.

    Running the province costs money. Figuring out how to pay for it is the job.
  7. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

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    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  9. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member


    Given that the NDP deficits target the lower classes, I believe its more likely these will have a stimulative effect - when the spending goes to the lower strata two things happen: costs go down (think of all the ER-related dental visits for instance, most expensive way to serve this populations dental needs) and economic activity goes up. Lower and middle classes spend all the stuff they get from tax reductions and from being able to spend less on daycare.

    So what kind of deficits do we want? Ones that come from tax cuts to the rich and corporations? Those ones don't seem to do as much.

    People look too much at the in-year deficit and dont work the math into what the deficit spending actually DOES in the economy the years after. Could be deficit spending gets us out of the hole quicker - austerity for instance hasn't been shown to be a big winner in this respect.
  10. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    This lightsabre stuff that the people are outrageous about is dumb.
  11. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

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    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  13. Mondieu

    Mondieu TRIBE Member

    Clearly, the millennial twatter that posted this only bothered to read the top third of the Wiki on Engels and Marx. ...but that’s fair because most of the folks spouting social conservatism clearly haven’t made it past Leviticus in the Bible.
  14. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

    Yep. That bus definitely needs more bling to be worthy of millennial repost. Chariot? lol
  15. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    Rave Bus Deluxe
  16. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

  17. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  18. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  19. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    Weak sauce from the PMO on resisting a by-election for Singh's riding
  20. Christ, why do politicians insist on doing this kind of shit - it's never a good look, conservative or liberal.
  21. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  22. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  23. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    Cracks in the anointed ones armour ...

  24. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  25. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

    Yep he's getting lambasted all around. All signs point to a Trudeau 2nd term.

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