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basketballjones

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lol I grabbed your ass and invited you into a threesome? Are you insane?
nope, we smoked some hash in your apt while sunny/crazyshoes/janiecakes and others were at the bar
sunny told me before you showed up you and janie were in an open relastionship and you told me the same
 
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basketballjones

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have you forgotten all those threesomes with basketballjones, Brad Pitt, the Toronto raptors and the ghost of Margaret Thatcher? I'm hurt
are you going to say you and hal9000 arent in an open relationship?
why would that be the first thing i am told when i met hal, jane i met before hand at a jungle jam at the gov

oh wait. because you say it didnt happen then no one should care.


do you even remember hal? or you jane?
do you remember grabbing my junk in the orange room with sunny before sunny's bf was told they didnt have his coat and i walked into the coat room and got it. i also told you that i loved your smile because it was like sunshine in the rain...remember that janie. your hand was on my ass the whole time
as for hal
you stood behind me massasging my shoulders as i brewed hot knives in your apartment, i had gogtten 3.5 grams from glych and gave you about 1 gram after we smoked in your apartment
 
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Hal-9000

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no, no I remember the hot knives, ya fucking dummy. And our discussion about the abundance of biker hash in the 90s, which led exchanging tales about the Greys from Keswick.

Trying to make a point about possibly baseless sexual assault allegations by fabricating one of your own is strange approach.
 

basketballjones

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what in the actual fuck
it was a monday and the bar was on bloor i believe
yes we did talk about biker hash, the fact there was no operation big enough for it to be processed here. you were indeed massaging my shoulders and we were dancing around like dudes will do when kniving. i remember us falling into a heap laughing when we came outside and saw an old lady trying to force a grocery cart accross the parking lot
i believe i was being groomed for a 3some with your woman. you plied me with alcohol and drugs in your residence i was lucky to escape
after reading your posts it seems we dont feel the same about sexual assault.
 
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Hal-9000

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So first I grabbed your ass, now I massaged your shoulder, is the next version going to be me forcing you to blow me?

Like I said, really bizarre way to make your point.
 

basketballjones

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that is the grossest shit I have ever read
whats gross about it?
that it happened or that someone you are associated with did it>?
first, him massaging my back as we dance to jungle is not sexual assualt in my books(though his jumping around made it hard to smoke the knives)
2nd dont mess with the dude who is holding the knives while they are burning
 

basketballjones

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So first I grabbed your ass, now I massaged your shoulder, is the next version going to be me forcing you to blow me?

Like I said, really bizarre way to make your point.
i would say rather you spanked my ass as the bassline hit and we started the knives.
answer this
was i in your apt
did we do illicit drugs
are you in an open relationship
 
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basketballjones

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i cant count the amount of times crazy shoes grabbed my junk or tried to kiss me
was that sexual assualt..? nope. he was hoping based on my friends that he would be the guy who could get me to switch teams
 
Well, this thread....took a turn.

The thing about the Christie Blachford's article is that it doesn't take into account that this was rumoured for years, and has now been compared to the Rob Ford crack tape. Journalists knew about this for a long time, but refrained from commenting due to actual concrete evidence of anyone coming forward before the incident coming to light. It also doesn't take into account that anyone that has had this happen to them are usually silenced in order to keep party unity, or "for the greater good". It doesn't apply to just one side of the political spectrum - it's a party uber alles ideal. And it's not just women being silenced either - people's careers are at stake and the mentality before was that you kept quiet or you could be held as the accountable party for blowing the election, affecting the perception of the party, whatever the cause du jour is to justify bad behaviour. The party comes first, and fuck the morals of the witnesses or the victims - the party is the bigger ideal. Blachford ignores that completely.

That's not to say the allegations are true, but if the rumours have been floating around in the political and media circles for a while and have never been addressed, the media is going to make up for lost time - and likely have incomplete files/stories that now all of a sudden have a key piece fall into place. The difference between Rob Ford and Patrick Brown, in the eyes of the media - is their image. They're both conservative, but while Rob Ford's public image was sloppy and his bad behaviour didn't seem too out of character for his transgressions, Brown's was a lot more cleaner cut, eloquent and a lot more disciplined, which makes this a bit more complicated in figuring out what really happened and what caused the accusers to come forward at this time.
 
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won't happen.
He came up second place (11%) out of the poll conducted by The Star.

I'm pretty sure it would be political suicide for the PC's if they did go with him, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that Brown might have gotten mutinied on this by a back bencher, after he put an end to the culture warrior bullshit. It's a long shot of a theory, but this is a party that turns pretty quick on it's own - see: John Tory, Tim Hudack and some of the peeps from the Harris era.

I really hope they don't succumb to going back to the populism bullshit.
 
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Bernnie Federko

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Did Progressive Conservatives just give away the game?
By opting to hold a leadership race the party will pit Tory against Tory and bleed resources when they should be focused on the Liberals, Martin Regg Cohn writes.

Never underestimate the ability of the Progressive Conservative opposition to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

First, we give you Vic Fedeli, 61. Possibly the province’s next premier.

Then we take him away, so we can play.

A day after the party’s public self-immolation, with ex-leader Patrick Brown publicly tarred and feathered for alleged sexual transgressions, Fedeli seemed — for a few hours Friday — like the phoenix rising from the ashes to transmogrify the Tories.

The unanimous choice of his fellow MPPs to lead them into the June 7 election, he would bring stability and predictability to a party recovering from the perils of a puerile leader. If, that is, the Tories would only let him take them all the way to power with a formal campaign barely three months away, and the pre-election homestretch already underway.

Such was the state of play Friday afternoon, when caucus emerged united behind Fedeli as their fully-fledged “leader” — no mere interim, they insisted. Elected MPPs sent a strong message to the party executive that there was no time for infighting, that it was too late to target one another in a leadership race before pivoting to their real enemy, Premier Kathleen Wynne.

But the party executive balked. Acquiescing to pressure from outside candidates who aspire to be premier with the party leading in most polls, PC president Rick Dykstra emerged late Friday to kick off a formal leadership vote within weeks.

That left Fedeli as the unencumbered leader for just a day, or more precisely, an afternoon. Permanent leader still to come, just in time for June 7.

Too bad, for Fedeli might have been the best thing to happen to the PCs after 14 long years in the political wilderness. And a welcome change from Brown, 39 — a full-time professional politician since his university days.

By contrast, Fedeli’s a grownup who held a job outside politics. He’s run a wildly successful business that made him a multi-millionaire. He’s overseen a city that made him a wildly popular, two-term, dollar-a-year mayor.

He’s a son of the North who’s travelled the world. He’s happily married, seriously funny and amusingly media-friendly.

Oh, and he’s had on-the-job training at Queen’s Park, as the top cabinet critic on the opposition front benches. First as energy critic, cutting his teeth on the gas plant boondoggles; and more recently baring his teeth over the province’s finances as budget critic.

True, he’s an old white guy in a suit, with grey hair to boot — and a fondness for cowboy boots and denim shirts. Colour him avuncular.

He’s calm in a crisis and respectful to a fault. Qualities that would stand him in good stead as he tries to right the good ship Tory lest it drown in tears of sorrow or waves of insinuation and recrimination.

Back in 2014, after the party’s last electoral debacle, Fedeli first sought the leadership yet never gained traction — overtaken by the early frontrunner, Christine Elliott, and outhustled by the eventual winner, Brown. This week, by contrast, he had a posse of supporters led by the younger and newer dynamos in caucus such as Todd Smith, Michael Harris, Bill Walker and Lisa MacLeod.

Today, in 2018, the campaign to dislodge Fedeli as premier-in-waiting, and put caucus in its place, was led by the two most ambitious aspirants for the leadership job — former Postmedia and CivicAction chair Rod Philips, and lawyer Caroline Mulroney (better known as the daughter of a certain former prime minister). The two rivals compared notes Thursday, issuing twin statements decrying the elitism of those who would dare to appoint a leader in a crisis situation. Watching from the sidelines was Doug Ford, brother of the former mayor and son of an ex-Tory MPP, who has publicly mused about his Ford Nation followers taking over the party.

They carried the day Friday.

In an ideal world, a leadership race is a democratic ideal worth aspiring to. But in the real world of the provincial party’s upheaval, a last-minute vote seems like a charade chasing a chimera.

In today’s Ontario, PC leadership conventions are far from the democratic idea or idyll we imagine. The timing is tight, pitting Tories against one another and bleeding resources when they should be mounting a coherent opposition against the governing Liberals and laying the groundwork for their own march to power.

As Brown demonstrated with his 2015 shock-and-awe campaign that took over the party — replete with sign here, pay later membership tactics — a leadership race is easily gamed, hijacked, manipulated and defrauded by relying on recruitment with no money down.

In short — especially when time is short — a leadership campaign can be utterly undemocratic. No politician will dare say this publicly, for fear of being branded elitist, but most will confess privately that leadership conventions and even local nomination meetings lend themselves to mass recruitment campaigns that distort both demography and democracy.

The Tories have made their choice, and it is a call to arms. First against themselves, and only then against the governing Liberals.

We give you the new, improved, confused, Progressive Conservatives.
 
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