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Canada sucks, I think I'll leave

Michkey

TRIBE Member
What societies have people visited/lived in that they feel are comparable/superior to Canadian society?

Essentially I'm pissed off about working my ass off and never getting ahead. It seems that most of my friends and other people I talk to are in the same boat. Might have something to do with 40-45% tax brackets (and for what, I ask you!).

Everytime I listen to the news I hear about the inefficiencies of our government, which is just icing on the cake!

I'm seriously thinking about simply picking up and moving someplace where efforts match rewards, government is focused on the common man, etc.

Does such a society exist? You tell me.
 

joey

TRIBE Member
not that i know of...

i think we have it pretty good here...
especially in the health care front.....

i want to move just to experience something different im not unhappy here...

im pretty sure ill raise a family here
 

LadyLinzee

TRIBE Member
It doesn't exist!

I'm afraid that place doesn't exist cutie! I've been travelling all over the world and I still have yet to find a place where the government doesn't ding you through the nose & every other oriface (is that how you spell that??) with taxes!

Out of all the places i've lived ... Canada is still the best all round! :) Come on .. it can't be that bad! :)

Linzee xx;)
 
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kurtz

TRIBE Member
I agree and disagree...

To say we pay a lot of taxes is quite true... but I find that taxes are the only way to implement a socialist/semi-Marxist political system... ie. Taking the fruits of the two leading economic theories and making it work. Besides, don’t you see your taxes being put to use? Although I think everyone will agree that they could be utilized a lot better for what we pay. But in theory, I'll exchange money for freedom any day....

However, I disagree with Canadian culture as being purely reactionary... I’m not voting for nationalism or anything, but Canada is rather pathetic culturally. We are so subdued by what others are doing that we never react or create ourselves... we are a lawn ornament in the wind.
 

cdp

TRIBE Member
Re: It doesn't exist!

Originally posted by LadyLinzee
I'm afraid that place doesn't exist cutie! I've been travelling all over the world and I still have yet to find a place where the government doesn't ding you through the nose & every other oriface (is that how you spell that??) with taxes!

Out of all the places i've lived ... Canada is still the best all round! :) Come on .. it can't be that bad! :)

Linzee xx;)
Well, in Brazil, you don't pay taxes. I mean, the whole country runs "under the table," and that's just a simple fact. And although there are tons of great things there...

Someone would have to live with an incredibly high crime rate. That's enough to scare most people.

charles
 
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Michkey

TRIBE Member
Re: It doesn't exist!

Originally posted by LadyLinzee
I'm afraid that place doesn't exist cutie! I've been travelling all over the world and I still have yet to find a place where the government doesn't ding you through the nose & every other oriface (is that how you spell that??) with taxes!
Thanks for recognizing the cuteness level.

But the level of taxes in Canada is quite high, if you really think about it: companies are taxed to bring product into Canada, retailers are taxed selling the product, we are taxed buying it.

But case in point: you can't tell me that the feds really deserve 40% of my income for mediocre services, can you? And another 15% on almost everything that I buy? Maybe if I were in Montreal where rents are far lower I would be singing a different song as well. A song that goes 'do-de-do-de-do, do-de-do-de-do', or some other such song.
 
Originally posted by mingster


Ha ha! lol.

On Canada....Werd.
I like it here and all, but I'm thinking soon time to get the fuck out.

Ming.
Defector

From the Ministry of you going to spill all our secrets to the evil empire.

Prime Minister Highsteppa
 
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Lit'l Jalapeno

TRIBE Member
2 weeks vacation?

I want to move to one of those countries in Europe where you get 5 weeks vacation when you start a new job right off the top (none of this 2 or maybe 3 week crap if you're lucky) and, in Switzerland anyways, you get a pay advance and a small bonus in order to take that nice vacation away to enjoy the rest of the world and not just the country you happen to live in. That just rocks my boat. Crabby, stressed-out Canadians who either can't take vacation cause they either can't afford it, only get 2 worthless weeks (meaning one really cause you need the other for Christmas) or are too damn busy in your lousy job to be allowed to take one at all. I hate work life here.
 

AshG

Member
well in costa rica you get taxed less (percentage-wise) the more you make.
something like 2% if you're in an in-demand profession.
 

Locke

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Trini
Canada is the place on the earth to live. barnone.

high taxes = safety in my books.
Would have to agree wholeheartedly on that one!

I want to move to one of those countries in Europe where you get 5 weeks vacation when you start a new job right off the top (none of this 2 or maybe 3 week crap if you're lucky) and, in Switzerland anyways, you get a pay advance and a small bonus in order to take that nice vacation away to enjoy the rest of the world and not just the country you happen to live in.

Yeah but remeber northern european coutries as well have some major high taxes, and goods are way more expensive there too.

I don't mind the high taxes if it means I am taken care of. And really if you want to get ahead you can, I think the feds made sure they have a balance between rewarding (or rather not severely punishing) success and a runaway higher class. I dig that more than the class struggle seen south of the border.
L
 

mandapanda

TRIBE Member
the grass is always greener on the other side.
as much as i wish i had british or german citizenship...i don't know if i would actually enjoy it if i had it. it's bloody expensive to live there, that's for sure. and so many other things suck. however, i would still jump at the chance to move to either place even knowing all the bad things. then i could complain about how much better canada is.

sweden sounds fun too. even though supposedly loads of money goes to taxes, it's not like you don't get anything in return for it.

i basically just want a country with some culture! and more appreciation of arts and support of the fashion industry (like france)

k i'm done
 
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swenard

TRIBE Member
Re: 2 weeks vacation?

Originally posted by Lit'l Jalapeno
I want to move to one of those countries in Europe where you get 5 weeks vacation when you start a new job right off the top (none of this 2 or maybe 3 week crap if you're lucky) and, in Switzerland anyways, you get a pay advance and a small bonus in order to take that nice vacation away to enjoy the rest of the world and not just the country you happen to live in. That just rocks my boat. Crabby, stressed-out Canadians who either can't take vacation cause they either can't afford it, only get 2 worthless weeks (meaning one really cause you need the other for Christmas) or are too damn busy in your lousy job to be allowed to take one at all. I hate work life here.
My cousin lives in Germany and they get 5 weeks right off of the top.You can start today and take 5 weeks vacation tomorrow if you want!
 
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silver1

TRIBE Member
Re: Re: It doesn't exist!

Originally posted by Michkey


But case in point: you can't tell me that the feds really deserve 40% of my income for mediocre services, can you

Have you ever stayed in a hospital over night in the states or got a prescription there? And lets not even talk about surgery.

Or how about 3k CDN a semester of University vs. 20K USD.

Or how about paying 30£ for a CD while earning about 20 - 30K £/year. Or paying 1£ for a litre of gas.

Just some points.

Cheers
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
I think people (like me) who don't use the health care system should get a fat chunk of money each year.

Or at least a free visit or two to the dentist instead.

Last time I saw a doctor: 1998

Last time I saw a dentist: 1986
 

acheron

TRIBE Member
Canada, like any country, is a package deal. You pay the taxes (and accept our ways and means), you get to live here.

Don't like it? Get the fuck out!

Canadians do have it pretty good - we're not taxed to death, we don't have high crime, and we have political freedom. The climate's more than acceptable, and the people are nice, too.

Arguments that start with "I don't like it here, I'm leaving!" should only end with, "don't let the doorknob hit your ass on the way out."

If you can find a country with a better overall package, and I mean the whole enchilada, then GO, dammit! Pack your bags, sell your furniture and just get the hell out.
 

Sukebe Jiji

TRIBE Promoter
Re: Re: Re: It doesn't exist!

Originally posted by silver1


Or how about 3k CDN a semester of University vs. 20K USD.

Or how about paying 30£ for a CD while earning about 20 - 30K £/year. Or paying 1£ for a litre of gas.

Just some points.

Cheers
The cost of going to university in the states is quite misleading though...for example, if you go to a university in your home state the tuition drops exponentially. Additionally, American schools offer huge scholarships, both academic and athletic, and financial aid packages. The Ivy League schools use a system called "Need Based Financial Aid". Basically, in this system, the university will look at your own personal financial situation and configure a package that you can afford.

One of the most taxing aspects of American schools is putting up with American dumb asses doing Canadian accent imitations. ;)

Also in my experiences I have found Canadian salaries to be a lot lower on average than those in America, Britain etc etc...what is minimum pay in Britain for example? I heard it was around 10 quid an hour or something?

All this aside however, I love Canada and I can certainly see myself returning to settle down in the fertile lands of the Golden Horseshoe. Ironically there is no better way to regain your love of Canada than to leave it for a little while. In the words of Chicago, or is it Foreigner(??), "Everybody needs a little time away/I heard ya say/From each other/Even lovers need a holiday/Far away from each otheeeeeeerrrrrr"

;)
 
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