• Hi Guest: Welcome to TRIBE, Toronto's largest and longest running online community. If you'd like to post here, or reply to existing posts on TRIBE, you first have to register on the forum. You can register with your facebook ID or with an email address. Join us!

boxing making a come back?

octo

TRIBE Member
i used to be a casual boxing fan.
i'd go out to bars once in a while to watch big fights.
even if i didn't watch a fight i'd know it was happening and i'd be curious to know the results and analysis.

my interest waned as i hung out less and less with the guys i'd watch fights with. but i've found myself watching more fights lately. seems like i'm part of the trend.

i remember how devestated i was when Felix Trinidad got embarassed by Winky Wright. sounds like Trinidad and Roy Jones Jr are going to fight. Not sure how i feel about that. not sure i want to see a couple of guys who are past their primes slap eachother around for a paycheque. at the same time though, it's the fight that never happened.

i'm going to try to convince a couple of buddies to go to Rama on Saturday for the Steve Molitor fight.

Boxing picks itself up off the TV canvas
Email story
Print
Choose text size
Report typo or correction
Email the author
License this article

Jan 18, 2008 04:30 AM
Chris Zelkovich

Reports of boxing's death have apparently been greatly exaggerated.

There are signs of life in the old fight game and while it's not quite as hot as the mixed martial arts flavour of the day, it's definitely on the way up.

It's on the rise in the U.S., where HBO generated a staggering $181 million in pay-per-view revenue on two Floyd Mayweather fights. Mayweather's December bout with Ricky Hatton produced the largest TV revenue since the days of Tyson and Holyfield.

It's also on the rise in Canada, thanks to a major resurgence in Quebec and the success of IBF junior featherweight champ Steve Molitor in Ontario. Boxing has shown enough life that TSN, CBC and French-language SRC have increased their commitments to the sport.

``Boxing may have bottomed out two years ago, but it's on its way back," says TSN president Phil King, whose network will show its third Molitor fight live tomorrow night at 9:30. ``We're happy with what Molitor has done and we'd like to give some air time to the Quebec fighters."

Right now, that's the domain of the CBC, which has dipped its publicly-funded toe into pro boxing's waters for the first time. Two bouts involving Quebec boxers averaged about 120,000 viewers, good audiences for tape-delayed events on Saturday afternoons.

And while those audiences pale in comparison with what SRC attracted – more than 700,000 viewers for one fight – the CBC is on board for more.

``Basically we wanted to see if there was an appetite for it," says programming head Terry Ludwick. ``At this point, it looks like there is."

TSN is bullish on Molitor, whose two Rumble at Rama bouts have averaged a solid 143,000 viewers.

``Molitor is a good kid, a good story," says King. ``He wants to fight at home even though he could get more money abroad."

While nothing is definite, King says TSN would like to show more Molitor bouts and more boxing.

A lifelong boxing fan, King believes the sport is definitely on the rise.

That's because after years of no-name bouts, the big names are risking their records and fighting each other out of necessity.

``In any sport, if you don't have the top teams playing in a championship you're not going to get much buzz," King says. ``For years, boxing didn't have that.

``Suddenly, you get a lot of great fights in the past year and boxing's back on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

``There's some buzz and it snowballs."

And having home-grown stars such as Molitor, Joachim Alcine and Jean Pascal can only help.
 

silver1

TRIBE Member
Boxing's bread and butter is PPV.

PPV buys are driven by the boxing stars. This past year unless your name has been De La Hoya or Mayweather, the PPV numbers have been abysmal.

The problem is that no new stars have emerged in the boxing world to drive new growth. Golden opportunities on the last two big PPVs (DLH vs. Mayweather and Mayweather vs. Hatton) were squandered by not having contenders featured, instead using non-ranked scrubs.

The article talks about 120,000 - 143,000 people watching it for free on TSN or in Quebec. How many of those same people would pay $40-$50 a pop to watch it on PPV. My guys is very little.
 

Colm

TRIBE Member
When was the last time there was a good heavy-weight match up? I don't think there has been since the mid'90s, which is why I haven't seen a boxing match in years.
 

Musical Rush

TRIBE Member
Not only is Mayweather a runner inside the ring,he's even a bigger runner out of it.He's called it quits cus he knows he would get the beating of his life if he went up against Cotto,Paul Williams,or Antonio Margarito .

This weekend should be a good one June 28th. Manny (pac man)Pacquiao(46-3-2-35KO) moves up in weight to face David Diaz.(34-1-1-17 KO).This will be an all out war.


July 26th it's another war Cotto vs Antonio Margarito .
 

joey

TRIBE Member
boxing is dead...

d.e.a.d.

like tommy said, you make get x amount of people watching on tsn or what not but how many people are going to pay?

its just not exciting..
a clinch in boxing is a break up..
clinch in mma and youre just getting started..
 

redeyes

TRIBE Member
Boxing isn't dead, the heavyweight division is dead. The smaller guys fighting from the featherweight to the welterweight division have really kept boxing going strong. Guys like Manny Pacquiao, Israel Vazquez, the Marquez brothers, Juan Diaz, and yes, Floyd Mayweather have carried the sport on their backs. Since 2005, there has been some mega fights with huge PPV numbers. Pacquiao versus anybody, ODLH verus Mayweather, Vasquez versus Marquez (which is arguably the best trilogy of all time) have all had huge PPV draws. And later this year, we're supposed to see ODLH versus the winner of Cotto/Margarito. If Cotto wins, it's going to be RIP for Oscar.

And Joey, what you said about the clinch makes no sense to me. A clinch in boxing does equal a separation from the ref which means we will see more action. In MMA, a Thai clinch is pure action, but i just love it when Tim Sylvia gets the underhooks and presses his opponent against the fence for five minutes.

And musical rush, yes, saturday is going to be a fire fight!!!! I see PAC winning in an 8th round KO. David Diaz is brave, tough, and easy to hit which means he's taylor made for PAC. All the reports coming from PAC's camp say he's adjusted very well to moving up in weight classes. Also, there's a another dude fighting on the undercard, his name is Humberto Soto, he a bad motherfucker!!! If soto wins, i'd love to see him fight pac especially considering the brutal beating soto put on Pac's little brother Bobby.

WAR PACMAN!!!!!
 

kerouacdude

TRIBE Member
joey said:
boxing is dead...

d.e.a.d.

like tommy said, you make get x amount of people watching on tsn or what not but how many people are going to pay?

its just not exciting..
a clinch in boxing is a break up..
clinch in mma and youre just getting started..
I'm actually glad you referred to his old quote, which I meant to reply to at the time.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Boxing, to its detriment, has ENTIRELY been driven by PPV and pay cable because it's been off over-the-air networks for the past decade. That devotion has been what's driven the sport. Had a generation of young guys had the proper entree to the sport, PPV numbers for the mid level fights would be fantastic. Still, the notion that outside of Oscar and Floyd the numbers are "abysmal" is completely wrong - Cotto and Pacman fights do well as did Barrera and Morales in the very recent past.

I'm always bemused when people in Ontario make the argument the sport's dead - first of all the commission has all but killed the sport here and the population is mostly white guys have been reared on the notion that hockey fights are what hand to hand combat should look like. Anywhere there's a good sized percentage of Hispanics and blacks it's certainly not dead. Hell, it's still quite popular in Europe, certainly more than here in Canada.

As far as the clinches, whatever. Boxing's a lot more dense than UFC, I expect some people to be turned off. I feel like a whole lot of time UFC gives the appearance of action without a whole lot of actual action due to all the other trappings and the shortness of the fights, so the bad fights don't seem as bad, even though they are. Boxing's a lot more bare - when it's bad, it's really bad coz it doesn't have those trappings and the fact you have to go 12 rounds to prove your mettle.
 
Last edited:

redeyes

TRIBE Member
Flashy_McFlash said:
Whatever happened to Prince Naseem? Is he still around/fighting?
he's retired. he never recovered mentally from the beating Barrera put on him. He fought once after the loss to Barrera and he looked terrible. It was quite obvious the his skills were on a major decline. The Prince spent some time in jail recently stemming from a bad car accident which he caused.

peace
 

redeyes

TRIBE Member
^^No. Boxing was in serious trouble prior to the rise of MMA. I think the rise of MMA woke up boxing promoters. Now boxing promoters are more inclined to give the fans the fights they want to see. This could explain all the great fights that have taken place since 2005.

peace
 

kerouacdude

TRIBE Member
diablo said:
The rise of MMA killed boxing.

End of.
Actually it's helped inadvertently for the reason redeyes said
plus sports broadcasters and news organizations can't exactly give reams of attention to a whole load of MMA fighters, even the guys with 7-4 records and the like, and ignore boxers who are much more accomplished.

You simply can't justify not giving future Hall of Fame fighters like Pacquiao and Cotto any attention at all and having reams of hours available for MMA scrubs.

The argument "it's more popular" or "boxing's a bit shady so why bother" don't really wash if you fancy yourself a sports network. Having worked in media I can tell you a lot of it before MMA really rose in prominence came down to guys not knowing boxing and not taking the time to educate themselves more so they continued to ignore it. It's a little bit harder now to ignore it and justify it.

I mean, fuck, I recently saw a loving, hype-into-overdrive profile of some douche from Leamington or somewhere who calls himself Hands of Stone. He should be fucking arrested for that.
Hands of Stone is Roberto fucking Duran, a legend who fought because he was beyond dirt poor and had to survive. It's not some douche from Leamington who fights because he likes to bust heads.
 
Last edited:

Musical Rush

TRIBE Member
redeyes said:
he's retired. he never recovered mentally from the beating Barrera put on him. He fought once after the loss to Barrera and he looked terrible. It was quite obvious the his skills were on a major decline. The Prince spent some time in jail recently stemming from a bad car accident which he caused.

peace
I agree..
At the same time I think it had a lot to do with the fact .Now that he wasn't the champ anymore,he couldn't hand pick his dead beat opponents.He would only fight the guys that would make him look good.Now that he isn't the champ, in order to another shot at the belt.He would have to get through the big names first.Goes to show ya the guy had no heart he was all show and no go.

Another name to look out for in the welterweight is Andre Berto,he's only 5.8 1/2 so his height might be his only down fall.He's 22-0 19 KO's.He just won ,one of the belts Mayweather left behind the WBC title.hmmm Cotto is only 5-7 so maybe the height thing won't be a problem lol
 

Musical Rush

TRIBE Member
Diaz got the beating of his life.Pac-Man the champ.The first fight was a great one too finished as a draw.The heavy weight fight was a joke,lasted 57 secs.3rd fight... that was a nasty cut.They just left the guy sitting there bleeding while trying to decide the decision,foul or no foul.Turned out to be a foul the bleeding guy wins.

I should be a sports writer.We would save a lot of ink.
 

moose-meat

TRIBE Member
kerouacdude said:
I mean, fuck, I recently saw a loving, hype-into-overdrive profile of some douche from Leamington or somewhere who calls himself Hands of Stone. He should be fucking arrested for that.
Hands of Stone is Roberto fucking Duran, a legend who fought because he was beyond dirt poor and had to survive. It's not some douche from Leamington who fights because he likes to bust heads.
Amen to that. Roberto Duran. Awesome.
Won me a lot of money prior to the re-match with
Ray "jab and run chicken shit" Leonard. Hated that Yankee bastard.

I think Duran won some money for his wedding for knocking out a horse with his bare fist. Pretty impressive for a lightweight.
At least thats how the legend goes.
 

wayne kenoff

TRIBE Member
the sweet science > MMA

MMA's good, don't get me wrong. but it doesn't have the history, the glamour or the prestige of boxing.

I think a big factor in how boxing is suffering in North America is that boxing is being dominated by non-Americans right now, with a few notable exceptions (mayweather, delahoya). Just look at the heavyweight division. I bet it's never been more popular in Russia. I, for one, like the fact that boxing is a truly international sport.

The fight I want to see is Calzaghe Pavlik. Not sure if it'll happen.
 

Musical Rush

TRIBE Member
My dream fight would to see Mayweather jr get the beating of his life from the Pac-man,or from Cotto.There is so much $$$ out there for Mayweather jr he could afford the plastic surgery he'll need after.
 

kerouacdude

TRIBE Member
Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito

Two guys who literally knock people out with bodyshots and walk forward through punches without blinking.

Fight's big in the US but I guess we're here in Toronto where the idea of fighting is white guys who leave openings you can drive a Mack Truck through while throwing achingly slow punches that land on other white guys who never move their heads out of the way and fall easily to the ground.

If you want to watch a great scrap and shake your head in amazement and what can be endured, you honestly won't be disappointed.

If it's not for you no need to threadcrap.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/fightcred/index?page=cotto_margarito
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2008-07-23-cottomargarito_N.htm
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB121686597695179909-lMyQjAxMDI4MTI2NDgyNjQ1Wj.html
 

KodiaK

TRIBE Member
apparently the Manny Pacquiao fight on HBO recently only did 200k ppv buys.
ouch.. his previous fights did double to triple ppv buys.
 

kerouacdude

TRIBE Member
^^
Dad says it was an awesome, gruelling fight
ESPN says it was A Fight for the Ages
So you can fuckin' blow me...i don't come into your threads and be a shitstabber...anyone else who saw the fight, share your thoughts...
 
Top