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Black Sabbath

I-Drop

TRIBE Member
so.. who are the sabbath fans on the board...

topic 1> sabotage? how many years ahead of its time? an influence on electronica?

topic 2> sabbath vs radiohead? similarities? differences? position in rock in thier respective eras?

topic 3> sabbath represents an artistic movement that took 'popular' music and essentially demented it into a negative spiritual and personal message, where there movements before sabbath which had a similar message/goal?

where there metal head skidz before the 1900s?

ex.. those crazy bastards who used to wear dark freaky shit round the campfire and listen to the heaviest beats 10000 years ago? like in conan :p
 
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CUZO

TRIBE Member
Personally I think F/X on the 4 album was Iommi's attempt to get some techy trance thing goin. Maybe the Technical Exctacy album was their true attempt. All I know Laguna Sunrise is the best downtempo song ever....pure mornin' trance.
 

derek

TRIBE Member
Interesting...I've alway been a fan of Sabbath, what with the cool vocoded vocals. Deep Purple also come to mind as an influence on electronic music, and off course Pink Floyd.

I was a head-banger until about '84.

Bangers 1000 years ago...yeah definelty the Kurgins or the Norse.

Cheers,

Derek
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
I did a sort of "remix" of a Black Sabbath tune...

Wonder if I can find it somewhere... it's kind of shitty, but funny...
 
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416

TRIBE Member
Whoa!

I'm not really too deep, thoughtful, or intelligent, so I can't comment on those topics too much.

But I'm totally still into Sabath. I managed to get tickets for that last reunion dealy they did at skydome a couple years back.

Ozzy was all old and decrepid and shit, but it didn't really matter, it was still really freakin sweet.
 

Hal-9000

TRIBE Member
topic 2> sabbath vs radiohead? similarities? differences? position in rock in thier respective eras?
"Ironman" as precursor to "Paranoid Android"?

"Paranoid" = "Creep"?

Best album art ever:



Speaking of Ozzy, has anyone seen any episodes of "The Osbornes"?
 

BigBadBaldy

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by I-Drop
topic 3> sabbath represents an artistic movement that took 'popular' music and essentially demented it into a negative spiritual and personal message, where there movements before sabbath which had a similar message/goal?

As a real Sabbath fan, this is one of my BIGGEST problems with the way people mistakenly view them.

Sabbath did NOT dement things into negative spiritual personal messages. For fuck's sake, most of their "dire" songs people think are about Satanism and shit are about WARNING people of the evil of their own ways which will lead to personal destruction. They are songs of loss and mourning.

From "After Forever"

"I think it is true it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced.
Will you be so sure when your day is near say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down (now/no) you can't retrieve.

Perhaps you think before you say God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he is the one,
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate.
Or will you jeer at all you hear?
Yes! I think it's too late. "

From "National Acrobat"

"Love has given life to you and now it's your concern.
Unseen eye of inner light will make your soul return.
Still I look but not to touch the seeds of life are sown.
Curtain of the future falls, the secret stays unknown.

Just remember love is life, and hate is living death.
Treat your life for what it's worth and live for ev'ry breath.
Looking back I've lived and learned, But (lc)still (rc)now I'm wondering.
Here I wait and only guess what this next life will bring."



I could go on, but really there's no point. Black Sabbath is one of the most underrated (by the public) and influential bands ever. HOWEVER, I think it's time people actually LISTENED to the messages they were trying to get across rather than branding them as a "negative" band.

BBB.

..especially people who call themselves fans.
 

MisterJacques

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by 416
Whoa!

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Ozzy was all old and decrepid and shit, but it didn't really matter, it was still really freakin sweet.
Yep... the Ozz may be old, but he's still rocking and still keeping it real, especially when you have a band whose bassist's name is "Geezer";) .

If there's any reason why I prefer jungle to house, it'a all because of Sabbath and their take-no-prisoners approach to music. All the heavy stuff out there, past and present, from Slayer, Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Faith No More and Soundgarden to Papa Roach, Korn and Fear Factory can owe a debt of gratitude to these geriatric Brummies. And I can thank them for saving my life, since their tunes acted as bloodletting.

That's all I wrote.
 
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Jimi James

TRIBE Member
Sabbath does kick ass! There concert 2 years ago was nothing but Bikers, Hot Strippers,etc. Get in your car and pump"Black Sabbath The Ozzy Osbourne Years". Make sure you don't get a speeding ticket or kill anyone!
Peace,
JJ:eek:
 

Cheer Bear

TRIBE Member
Mmmm Sabbath.

The Sabbath/Deftones/Pantera concert was one of the best I've ever had the pleasure of attending. And I had *superb* seats.


Mmmmmmmmmmmm.
 

Zer0G

TRIBE Member
.

GEN'RALS GATHERED IN THEIR MASSES,
JUST LIKE WITCHES AT BLACK MASSES
EVIL MINDS THAT PLOT DESTRUCTION,
SORCERER OF DEATH'S CONSTRUCTION
IN THE FIELDS THE BODIES BURNING,
AS THE WAR MACHINE KEEPS TURNING
DEATH AND HATRED TO MANKIND,
POISONING THEIR BRAINWASHED MINDS
OH LORD YEAH!

POLITICIANS HIDE THEMSELVES AWAY
THEY ONLY STARTED THE WAR
WHY SHOULD THEY GO OUT TO FIGHT?
THEY LEAVE THIER ROLE TO THE POOR, YEAH

TIME WILL TELL ON THEIR POWER MINDS,
MAKING WAR JUST FOR FUN
TREATING PEOPLE JUST LIKE PAWNS IN CHESS,
WAIT 'TILL THEIR JUDGEMENT DAY COMES, YEAH

NOW IN DARKNESS WORLD STOPS TURNING,
ASHES WHERE THE BODIES BURNING
NO MORE WAR PIGS HAVE THE POWER,
AND AS GOD HAS STRUCK THE HOUR
DAY OF JUDGEMENT, GOD IS CALLING
ON THEIR KNEES THE WAR PIGS CRAWLING,
BEGGING MERCIES FOR THEIR SINS
SATAN, LAUGHING, SPREADS HIS WINGS
OH LORD YEAH!
 
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rswbrixton

TRIBE Member
BLACK SABBATH . TONNY IOMMI , GEEZER BUTLER , OZZY OSBOURNE , BILL WARD , IAN GILLIAN , BEV BEVAN , RONNIE JAMES DIO , VINNIE APICE . LEGENDS . SOME OF THE ABSOLUTE BEST AT WHAT THEY DO .

LIVE EVIL

THE ABSOLUTE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD. AND BY FAR THE MOST POWERFUL.

sorry to shout , but these guys are it !

im goin to spin spiral architect track .
 

Bumbaclat

TRIBE Member
Sabbath is one of my favourites. I drove to BC from Toronto with "Paranoid" as one of only 2 albums for the whole ride. By North Dakota I could recite the entire album.

Bumbaclat
 

I-Drop

TRIBE Member
Re: Re: Black Sabbath

Originally posted by BigBadBaldy


As a real Sabbath fan, this is one of my BIGGEST problems with the way people mistakenly view them.

Sabbath did NOT dement things into negative spiritual personal messages.
the message of black sabbaths albums (the first 7 at least) was neither positive or negative...

if you look closely you can see an album by album evolution of their message

in Black Sabbath they were clearly playing the satanist card to its fullest effect.. it was at least a celebration of satan and the occult.... a negative message depending on personal interpretation.. although many tracks had mixed messages which were misinterperated.. ex. NIB, though by many to mean "nativity in black" was actually the bands name for Geezer Butlers 'nib' like beard.. that entire section of the album (The Wasp, NIB, and others) was IMO the best pure blues writing Sabbath ever did..

in Paranoid the lyrics took on a more popularist, rebel tone, inkeeping with the times and the growing popularity of the band.. the response was predictably positive..

after Paranoid the back lash from right wing groups against the bands new found spotlight caused the lyrical shift we see in Masters of Reality.. we even see pro-christian themes in some tracks

the rest of the albums feature a mix of ideas, i am curious about the hard turn in Sabbath bloody Sabbath... by far their most controversial work (or at least album cover), i cannot help but wonder if that was deliberate plea for media attention in an attempt to rediscover the occult appeal they had going into Paranoid..

in any case.. regardless of their actual lyrical message, the presentation of the music, and their image was decidedly negative or at least dark themed..

hence their appeal to rebellious teenagers who enjoyed the image of listening to 'evil' music.. even if the actual lyrical content was not..

the context of this discussion that i intended was meant to focus more on the actual sound of the music than the lyrics as i am looking for parallel streams in position wrt musical convention that sabbath continued..

definitely, black sabbath is to rock, what Public Enemy was to rap, what NIN was to electronica..

is there a classical equivalent? some composers were certainly black listed by the church.. but i dont know enough about classical to give examples...

In either case, Black Sabbath are the only band I have heard that put out 7 consecutive STUNNING albums without a single stinker right from the start..

no other band (except maybe the beatles) have had that kind of consistency... arguably Led Zeppelin as well but i always thought that Physical Graphiti (although amazing at times) and definitely Presence were inferior albums to Sabbath bloody Sabbath and Sabotage resp'ly. Mind you, Zeppelin was a mess at that period of the bands carrer.

If you like any of those early albums you will likely enjoy them all.. very impressive
 

Preroller

TRIBE Member
I love Black Sabbath.

Been going to Dr. Disc in London and I have aquired 5 albums, looking for the rest of them.

Vol 4 even came with a sweet pull out 2 page poster with one side a concert photo and one on the back of Ozzy and one of the drummer Bill Ward...very cool.

Just got a DVD of them live in concert....Been watching the 'Never say Die' video from the top of the pops alot lately...

There are some great behind the scenes stuff from Iommi, Geezer and the manager Jim Simpson...good stuff!

Also major 2 year bump on this thread :D
 
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why not

TRIBE Member
i've just started discovering them over the past few years, but it's really had an effect on my guitar playing.

i don't know about influencing electronica, but there is something similar about how sabbath and old acid house made me feel.
kind of creepy, but kind of cool.
 

CUZO

TRIBE Member
No first album of Black Sabbath... there would be no goths hanging around the Queen and Bathurst area period.
 
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Incrimin8

TRIBE Member
Re: .

Originally posted by Zer0G
GEN'RALS GATHERED IN THEIR MASSES,
JUST LIKE WITCHES AT BLACK MASSES
EVIL MINDS THAT PLOT DESTRUCTION,
SORCERER OF DEATH'S CONSTRUCTION
IN THE FIELDS THE BODIES BURNING,
AS THE WAR MACHINE KEEPS TURNING
DEATH AND HATRED TO MANKIND,
POISONING THEIR BRAINWASHED MINDS
OH LORD YEAH!

POLITICIANS HIDE THEMSELVES AWAY
THEY ONLY STARTED THE WAR
WHY SHOULD THEY GO OUT TO FIGHT?
THEY LEAVE THIER ROLE TO THE POOR, YEAH

TIME WILL TELL ON THEIR POWER MINDS,
MAKING WAR JUST FOR FUN
TREATING PEOPLE JUST LIKE PAWNS IN CHESS,
WAIT 'TILL THEIR JUDGEMENT DAY COMES, YEAH

NOW IN DARKNESS WORLD STOPS TURNING,
ASHES WHERE THE BODIES BURNING
NO MORE WAR PIGS HAVE THE POWER,
AND AS GOD HAS STRUCK THE HOUR
DAY OF JUDGEMENT, GOD IS CALLING
ON THEIR KNEES THE WAR PIGS CRAWLING,
BEGGING MERCIES FOR THEIR SINS
SATAN, LAUGHING, SPREADS HIS WINGS
OH LORD YEAH!
One of the top ten rock songs of all time
 
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